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Do Conservatives See Women As Inferior? (Kelly Hollowell On Sexual Equality Alert)
Worldnetdaily.com ^ | 07/09/05 | Kelly Hollowell

Posted on 07/08/2005 10:47:56 PM PDT by goldstategop

Do conservatives regard women as inferior?

I sat in church on Mother's Day and listened to the pastor build his sermon around the book of Proverbs. Sadly, one point of emphasis was that "it is better for a man to live in the corner of a roof than share a house with a complaining wife." The pastor predictably joked that "his point was scriptural and not personal." But then went on in poor taste to make other jokes concerning his wife's shopping habits and the number of shoes in her closet.

On Father's Day, another pastor spoke, again from Proverbs. This time it was a wholly uplifting message on the role, impact and leadership of men. This message was driven home further on the Fourth of July, in which men, particularly those serving in our armed forces, were heralded as heroes for their self-sacrifice and commitment to God, family and country.

A rear admiral also spoke from the pulpit on "honor, courage and commitment." He said the best displays of these traits were illustrated by his wife as she supported him in his career, primarily raised the children, maintained the home and remained loyal to their relationship.

As these familiar examples illustrate, conservatives frequently extol and focus on a very limited view of women. Despite this tendency, I don't think conservatives regard women as inferior. Rather, it is a liberal spin that has over-capitalized on a rather obvious (although not exclusive) area of appreciation conservatives have for women.

In response to the liberal spin, conservatives appear either too arrogant or too lazy to correct the perception that women are viewed inferior or valued only in the limited capacity of wife and mother. What's worse, it appears widely acceptable to take the position that any flawed perception is the problem of the consumer.

So what of those too young or naive to wade through the rhetoric? What of those abused by similar views taken to an extreme? What of those who don't yet understand or grasp their value? What of single, infertile and widowed women? And what of women, dare I say it, who actually want to work outside the home?

Uncorrected, the number of women lost to the left will grow exponentially. This is simply no way for conservatives to broaden their base or embrace the next generation of women. And let's not overlook the men who will marry them.

The worst part of the conservative's failure to correct this perception is that liberals have usurped and distorted the very meaning of feminism. Today, it has been successfully spun so far left that it is epitomized by women willing to kill their own children in the womb.

The good news is that all of this is fixable. First, it would be good for conservatives to give a few more kudos to women called outside the traditional roles and – dare I suggest it – support them along the way. Second, it might help in some cases for the more traditional leaders to take a class on sensitivity training … OK, OK, at least a class in 21st century communication skills. Third, and I have to say it, it would help if the old codgers among us who do hold rather blatantly chauvinistic views stepped into the 21st century and recognized that women can think outside the cake box.

Finally, the hardest part may begin with conservative women recognizing our true value and then holding each other up when our sisters choose a path different from our own. From there we must take the lead in redefining true feminism in America. One very close friend wrote me about the importance of holding onto our true femininity even when ignored, overlooked, undervalued and frustrated. She also wrote the following poem about transitioning from the world's distorted perception of feminine to its true meaning.

There was a time when I was a rebel on the mount. My hair was wild; my attitude harsh and proud. I stood on that mountain alone and fierce and invited those I wished to live at my feet. The numbers were few. Storms came strong and mighty. At first, when the lightening and thunder came you could see my form contrasted by the light: fist raised, hand on hip and proud! But the storms became too strong and though I fought and fought and fought, I finally lay beside my mountain to see it was only a hill.

I looked at my scarred hands, bent back and harsh spirit, and said, "Is this all that I'm fighting for?" I turned and looked at those who yet stood beside me. They were war torn. Then with a crackling voice I said, "I give up. I can't make this work. Look at what I've done to you so that I could remain on this peak of desolation."

So I took off the rude helmet that I had made for myself. Laid down my armor of irritation; my weapon of anger; took off my breastplate of haughtiness and went to wash in God's river.

The water revealed a woman, soft hair, soft eyes, gentle hands and quiet voice. I stepped out and put on the garments that He quietly laid out for me – a gentle and kind disposition, a tender and obedient spirit, quietness and confidence for strength and I was stunned … the garments fit me perfectly.

The point of the article and poem is to delineate a "New Choice" for women in America. That is to overcome the knee-jerk reaction to be offended by the often narrowly focused view of women by conservatives, overcome the liberal spin and reject the distorted interpretation of feminism that has become so prevalent. Assuming conservatives do not view women as inferior, they could help in the process by improving their efforts to uphold the inherent value of every woman not just those filling traditional roles.


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Hey Wench! Where's my beer?


51 posted on 07/09/2005 5:15:47 AM PDT by sauropod (Polite political action is about as useful as a miniskirt in a convent -- Claire Wolfe)
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To: goldstategop

The author needs to go back to start on this. Garbled message, unimpressive composition.


52 posted on 07/09/2005 5:22:03 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: SteveMcKing
Sex is all work for the guy,

Not if you're doin it right. ;-)

53 posted on 07/09/2005 5:33:29 AM PDT by iconoclast (Conservative, not partisan..)
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To: little jeremiah; jayhorn; ladyinred

Right here with you too.

What the "enlightened" feminists don't grasp is that there IS no "inferiority" - there are simply appropriate, natural gender roles. For decades, libfems have sought to destroy gender roles and render them irrelevent. They can't accept the fact that men and women ARE different, and that true "equality" is a pipe dream.

My wife (she's 30 - I'm 28) will be the first to tell you the same (I mention our ages, as many hold that these beliefs are for the 50+ crowd). She was raised to know that there are certain things that men handle, and there are certain things that women handle - and ne'er should the twain meet.

She nurtures, nests, tends to the home. I bring home the bacon, fix things, and protect the home. We compromise frequently, but she defers final decisions to me. I, in turn, respect her decisions, and admit when I don't have the answer. She trusts me to provide and lead, I trust her to make it all work. I see the big picture, she tends to the details. It's a wonderful system.

Some may see it as unfair, some see me as a dinosaur, and she as June Cleaver - but it's beautiful, Biblical, 100% natural - and we wouldn't have it any other way.


54 posted on 07/09/2005 5:36:45 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good." Rom 12v9)
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To: mmercier

...all work for the guy. Hmm, sounds boring to me.


55 posted on 07/09/2005 5:38:36 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: Xenalyte

That sword might be a factor. ;-)


56 posted on 07/09/2005 5:40:25 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: goldstategop

The Man Song by Bob and Tom

I don't take no crap (from anyone else but you),
I wear the pants around here (when I'm finished with your laundry),
Cause I'm a guy you don't wanna fight,
When I say jump (you say, "Yeah Right!")
I'm the man of this house (until you get home).

What I say goes around here (right out the window),
And I don't want to hear a lot of whining (so I'll shut up),
The sooner you learn who's boss around here
(The sooner you can give me my orders, dear),
Cause I'm head honcho around here (but it's all in my head!)

And I can have sex any time (that you want),
'Cause I'm a man who has needs (but they're not that important),
And don't expect any flowers from me ('cause if I'm not mistaken you prefer jewelery),
I'm the king of my castle (when you're not around).

And I'll drink and watch sports whenever I want (to get in trouble),
And I'll come home when I'm good and ready (to sleep on the couch),
'Cause a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
(and I'm gonna do what you tell me to),
Because I'm top dog around here (but I've been neutered!)


57 posted on 07/09/2005 5:46:49 AM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Tree of Liberty
Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."

Somebody forgot to tell my husband that little piece of info.

I have an appointment and don't have time to play on this thread...but I'll be back.

58 posted on 07/09/2005 5:58:24 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Tree of Liberty

"To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.""


NOTE it says "your desire" will be, doesn't say, husband I give you the right to RULE, nor that every woman's desire will be to be ruled by the husband.


59 posted on 07/09/2005 6:06:57 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Xenalyte
I have yet to meet the man, conservative or no, who's brave enough to tell me he considers me his inferior.

Who are you, and what have you done with Xenalyte?

Toothless online challenges aren't her style.

Of course, she did threaten to kill me once if I told her beau one of those man secrets.... hmmm.... maybe you is you ;o>

60 posted on 07/09/2005 6:13:31 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: I_dmc
That sword might be a factor. ;-)

In a blue state, maybe ;o>

61 posted on 07/09/2005 6:22:35 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: pbrown
Somebody forgot to tell my husband that little piece of info.

Don't forget, that verse is a curse, and not it's mechanics are not obvious.

62 posted on 07/09/2005 6:28:55 AM PDT by papertyger (Power concedes nothing without a demand. Frederick Douglass)
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To: writer33
That was not cool man!


63 posted on 07/09/2005 6:32:18 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances and it advances relentlessly freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: goldstategop

There is NO "just" about being a mother.


64 posted on 07/09/2005 6:41:54 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Just one more reason to hate the government....)
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To: gitmogrunt

Boy is that right! Tis' very unfair. IF I were to remarry should my Hubby die, I would give what my Hub left my right to my children. My "new" husband would have to support me. I could not in good conscience live off the money my current husband worked so hard for. Too many of our friends have divorced (some years ago) and BAM! The ex-wife comes back years later and asks for and GETS their ex's share of any pension money the ex-husband made during his tenure at the particular job he retired from. Never mind the ex-wife got good settlements at the time of the divorce. I think this stinks! Are men and women equal? NO! Not in cases like this.:(


65 posted on 07/09/2005 6:43:30 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Graymatter

http://www.gotlaughs.com/humor/mansong2.swf


66 posted on 07/09/2005 7:24:10 AM PDT by scott7278 (Before I give you the benefit of my reply, I would like to know what we're talking about.)
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To: goldstategop

We never should have given them the vote. ;-)


67 posted on 07/09/2005 7:28:09 AM PDT by Colorado Doug
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To: goldstategop

What a stupid article.


68 posted on 07/09/2005 7:41:08 AM PDT by Sloth (History's greatest monsters: Hitler, Stalin, Mao & Durbin)
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To: Tax-chick
The author needs to go back to start on this. Garbled message, unimpressive composition.

Amen...I still don't even really know what she was saying...and what's up with all that thunder and lightning on the mountain..? lol

69 posted on 07/09/2005 7:52:21 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: goldstategop
Do Conservatives See Women As Inferior?



Freudian slip?
70 posted on 07/09/2005 7:59:48 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: goldstategop

A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies.
Proverbs 31:10


71 posted on 07/09/2005 8:05:21 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: goldstategop
I'm disappointed in this "analysis," if you can call it that.

Some of the leading characters in the conservative drama of the past few years are strong, intelligent, thoughtful women who have brought the ideas of America's Founding into the forefront of conservative thought, or have practiced leadership in the movement in a variety of ways.

Two or three names that come to mind are:

Lynn Cheney (who was writing 20 or so years ago about the schools effectively "erasing the American memory" of generations of children of our founding principles) and has now contributed children's history books during the time she is serving as the Vice President's wife;
Barbara Olsen, Attorney and wife of Ted Olsen, whose grace and knowledge of conservative ideas made her a highly respected and influential working spokesman for conservatism;
Annette Kirk, wife of Dr. Russell Kirk, appointed by President Reagan to the National Commission on Excellence in Education, which in 1983 published the landmark report, "A Nation at Risk, elevating educational issues to national prominence. She has served for some years as an advisor to the Mackinac Center for Public Policy and to the Heritage Foundation’s Russell Kirk Memorial Lecture Series. In 2002 she was appointed to the board of the Laura Bush Foundation for America’s Libraries;
Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative thought leader of millions since 1964, when her book, A Choice Not an Echo, thrust her into the spotlight. A lawyer who has focused on Constitutional thought, was appointed by President Ronald Reagan to serve as a member of the Commission on the Bicentennial of the U.S. Constitution 1985-1991. She has testified before more than 50 congressional and state legislative committees on constitutional, national defense and family issues. She is a Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Washington University, received her J.D. from Washington University Law School and her master's in political science from Harvard University. Ladies' Home Journal named her one of the 100 most important women of the 20th century;
Beverly LaHaye,the exact opposite of the Liberal N.O.W. leaders. She founded Concerned Women for America, a Christian, Conservative, and Traditional-Values-oriented organization that commands respect for its analysis and activism in conservative matters. She and her organization have influenced the minds of millions.

These are only a few of the respected leaders of conservatism in America. As a matter of fact, were it not for them and the work they have been doing for several decades, the movement itself would not have penetrated the hearts and minds of the citizenry out there in the so-called "red states."

Thinkers and doers command respect, regardless of gender. Clare Booth Luce, author of "Great American Conservative Women," was herself a respected leader decades ago.

Of course, those who should be the most highly respected among us are the mothers of home-schooled youngsters who are sacrificing "luxuries" in order to rear a generation of youth who understand the founding ideas, who will be equipped by their education to become responsible citizens, and who will be the new conservative leaders. As a matter of fact, some of the young male leaders of today came from just that kind of background.

"Never underestimate the power of a woman," a magazine declared. That old adage applies in spades to the conservative women who can be given credit for a major responsibility for today's "red states." Both Party leaders had better have tremendous respect for that effort, because it is not the liberal feminists who rule in those areas, it is the woman who has been reading and studying the documents of America's founding, the writings of some of the people name above, and is dedicated to preserving liberty for her children and grandchildren.

72 posted on 07/09/2005 8:15:26 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: goldstategop

The Dems like to say, "When women vote, Democrats win." I read somewhere that if it hadn't been for women voters, Bill Clinton would never have been elected. We can say, "Well, women are just stupid, inferior Dims," and write them off, or we can try to help them see the light, as I and many other female former Dems have seen the light.

I've seen threads on FR that were so nasty, so hateful toward women, that I could only think, "If some liberal woman comes to this site and reads this, it will only reinforce every negative stereotype that she holds about conservative men." I'm no feminist, but I think there must be a lot of divorced, bitter men on FR, and they absolutely despise women. They sound exactly like Feminazis in reverse, as they blame women for everything and paint themselves as noble victims. There are certain topics, certain threads that I don't even click on anymore because I know they will bring out the FR woman-bashers. It's the one downside to this site.

If we want more women to come around and start voting like conservatives, I don't think those attitudes will help to bring them into the tent. Just MHO.


73 posted on 07/09/2005 8:31:46 AM PDT by Nea Wood (A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
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To: goldstategop

Actually you'd be surprised. There are more than a few women out there tired of being men-women (careers, life decisions, single-parenthood).


74 posted on 07/09/2005 10:01:40 AM PDT by samm1148
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To: goldstategop
Well, I know that when I heard that after "The Kiss" that AlGore put on Tipper during the campaign, his support among women rose substantially, I thought that giving women the vote was a really bad idea...

Mark

75 posted on 07/09/2005 10:12:16 AM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: Nea Wood

Nea - you're right about some of the men on FR, and the anti-women impression that sometimes is expressed here. A lot of sound and fury signifying personal "issues".

I understand the anger towards the current version of "feminism" (and share that anger), but that anger is misdirected if aimed at other conservatives, even if they are women. And, we don't do well to alienate potential conservatives by irrational ad hominem attacks.


76 posted on 07/09/2005 10:41:24 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Brett66

Great picture. Thanks for posting, Brett. That's funny.


77 posted on 07/09/2005 10:44:37 AM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: goldstategop
"it is better for a man to live in the corner of a roof than share a house with a complaining wife."

To be fair, this doesn't speak to matters of inferiority or superiority, It just says that it is better for a man to live in the corner of a roof than share a house with a complaining wife. Indeed, it could be better.

78 posted on 07/09/2005 10:47:41 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: John Filson
Women are superior. That's why we put them on a pedestal.

I put them on a pedestal because it's easier to sneak a peek up their skirts that way...

79 posted on 07/09/2005 10:49:11 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: John Filson
Women are superior. That's why we put them on a pedestal.

I put them on a pedestal because it's easier to sneak a peek up their skirts that way...

80 posted on 07/09/2005 10:49:21 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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To: John Filson

Someone told me a cute "man" joke the other day:

Men are like linoleum tiles - lay 'em right and they're good for thirty years!


81 posted on 07/09/2005 10:55:46 AM PDT by derllak
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To: goldstategop
We no longer live in an era where women worked in the home and men where the breadwinners

Hello yourself! I work for pecuniary compensation, my wife takes care of the household and the kids. We each are more valuable to our family in those particular roles, and embrace that model by choice.

Why should we let our children be raised by some state-aproved day care baby mill when my wife can do a better job? Employment for her would only mean she gets run ragged for a marginal financial gain, while our children get farmed out.

Sounds like a socialist wet dream to me.

Not all want to live the way we do, they have the option not to. What's the big deal?

My wife wants to know why women should want to be sexually equal? Why give up their clear advantages?

82 posted on 07/09/2005 11:02:02 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Xenalyte
You aren't inferior to men, but to God -- as are all men and women.

We men and women need each other, in order to accurately reflect the glory of God's creation.

Some Christians like to point to Genesis and say that Eve committed the orginal sin, but really it was Adam. He (read Genesis closely) was there when Eve was tempted, and Adam did not exercise spiritual headship in the presence of the Serpent. God told Adam what not to do, He didn't tell Eve. Yet Eve knew (as the Serpent proved), she learned (implied) from Adam. Yet Adam failed to confront the Serpent.

Thus the blameshifting began, and 'we're' still wrongly argueing between the sexes ever since.

You aren't inferior -- we both are.

83 posted on 07/09/2005 11:18:52 AM PDT by ReaganCowboy (History books are written by winners.)
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To: Xenalyte
Men are conditioned these days to view traditional roles as inferior, whether they admit it or not. It takes a monumental effort for many of them to realize that wife&mother doesn't translate into 'lazy freeloader'.
84 posted on 07/09/2005 11:26:05 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs ("Se habla, MoFo!")
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To: marsh2
...over their antiquated view that the little woman belongs at home taking their direction.

The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. It is not a question of "taking direction", but one of utilizing individual talents to the best and greatest good of our household and family. I do not tell my wife what to buy at the grocery store, I do not have time to micromanage our home while I am out in the boonies doing wellsite geology on an oil rig. We discuss the major things, she takes care of the petty and mundane, commonly without any input from me. I TRUST her judgement, or I would never have married her.

We have different skills, which compliment one another. It is not a question of Og telling Ogette to put another log on the fire.

I pity the people who are miserable because they are doing what good little 21st century wifeys and hubbies are supposed to to be 'progressive' instead of living a life which might be more to their liking and fulfillment. I also pity those women who feel threatened by a mom who can fix 'boo-boos' without taking the kid to an ER, can do carpentry and paint the living room by her self, without feeling the irrational need to subjugate her femininity to be more of a 'man' than a m'am.

It is a not a question of who does what so much as one of what is best for our family.

My workweek only runs 14/7, my wife's runs 10 hours per day longer, and for that she has my unfailing respect.

85 posted on 07/09/2005 11:34:08 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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