Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 8

Various News Outlets | 7/19/05

[TexKat]

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[TexKat]

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[nfldgirl]

Maybe they usually take more party types for their group rapes, and they took the more innocent Natalee Holloway this time because she was so friendly? And she was unused to alcohol, and certainly unused to the date rape drug that may have also been administrated.

Obviously, speculation here...but I think a very real possibility.

This grieves me much. After having seen the video clips on t.v. of her high school dance/flag twirling performances, she looks like a very nice, sweet, innocent girl. Then you match those clips up with the pictures I've seen of the sleaze balls (male and female) hanging around C&C's, all the sleaze partying, lude dancing, binge drinking--and I can't help but wonder how in the world such a young, sweet, innocent-looking (supposed) Christian teenager could find herself right in the middle of such a sleazy joint mix.

[FR_addict]

"Some who defend killers just do it for the sake of being on the other side of the argument and love all the attention they get."

I haven't seen any "facts" that have convinced me that the 3 boys did it with or without the father.

We know they lied. That is a fact. Many of the other "facts' on this board are not facts. For example the bruise. evidently the only one to see this "bruise" was someone who had an axe to grind with Joran (according to Greta). I'm sure Beth would have mentioned a bruise if she had seen it. I'm sure if Joran had hit Natalee in the club and someone broke it up, the cops would have been called by Natalee's friends or the bartender. This just didn't make sense. If this really happened we should have heard the story in greater detail. It didn't make sense to others here. Others evidently, didn't think the scenario of Joran hitting Natalee in the bar made sense, so next we had people theorizing that he didn't hit her in the club, but in the car. I found this fascinating that the whole scenario was changed to fit the theories on the board.

I think it is entirely possible that Joran left Natalee on the beach. Jossy always comes up with stuff that he thinks the American press wants and then gets on the talk shows.

I've taken my thoughts off this board, since the ones that have a different opinion are accused of all sorts of ulterior motives rather than some of us just don't see anything more than a circumstantial case. He may have done it, but I'm not dismissing the possibility someone else grabbed Natalee after Joran left.

Who had access to boats? Some people came to mind right away. They were evidently, numerous people who were out there that night with access to boats. Why aren't these people being interviewed by the press?

Thanks TexKat for keeping up on all the latest.

[cajungirl]

Jossy has his reasons for wanting Joran nailed and this whole thing to go away.

[cajungirl]

You nailed it. Absolutely.

[sarasota]

You mean to protect his "interests"?

[cajungirl]

Sorry too, lets smoke the peace pipe and let it go.

I guess I think the media interest is more pecuniary than racists. They cover what gets viewers. The US is mostly white and that affects the numbers. Beautiful white girls get covered especially if they have go to the mat parents who bring the coverage with them. I don't see that as racist.

but I do acknowledge that you were not calling us racist and apologise for saying that.

[nfldgirl]

Question Re: Jossy Mansur?

Wasn't he the one who made the statement early on (several weeks into the disappearance?) that Natalee was spotted in a car on the island or in Venezuela...a car that was being tracked/followed? I'm real sketchy on details about this, but it seems to me that Jossy has made "breaking news" appearances in this case that have not panned out. Flame away if I'm off track here.

[nfldgirl]

I also think the Shango postings are more right than we will ever know.

Can you summarize the general gist of the Shango postings. Thanks.

[spectre]

Mary, let's clear this up. Those of us who KNOW you understand that you were NOT insinuating FReepers are racists. That was rubbish. So just forgetabout it..:)

[spectre]

Hi Maryjean!

Jossy Mansur reported that Joran had made a confession. BUT he had to retract it, since Aruban LE denied it.

Keep in mind, that El Dario, the island newspaper is Jossys. He has many investigative reporters and probably detectives working on the case AND he doesn't care for Joran.

Jossy has his credibility at Stake. I am confident he wants to redeem himself and has his "sources" all over the Island. He's one of the good guys..maybe the ONLY one..LOL.

[spectre]

Cajun-girl, you are one class act! That's why I like you...regards, sw

[cajungirl]

From Riehl and this kind of information is out there including on the first threads on Nat. You might want to rethink Jossy as one of the "good guys",,Jossy wants this gone and if getting Joran makes it gone, that is fine by him. But Jossy is no knight in shining armor.

It's all making sense...

Jossy Mansur is the owner and chief editor of the biggest newspaper on the island, "Diario". ""When I read an article in Diario, I know what will be the next action of the government","says Hendrik Croes, adding that the Mansurs create a climate of fear and intimidation on Aruba. Their newspapers force others off the market. Furthermore, ""their annual income is bigger than the yearly budget of the government. And you may guess how they make that kind of money”."""Jossy Mansur is not impressed claiming that accusing people of drug trafficking and money laundering ""has become a political tool to discredit them”." (75) Jossy Mansur acts as the family's mouthpiece, Ruben and the elder Alex are the patriarchs, and Elias 'Don' Mansur is the family's whizz-kid. Elias graduated at Notre Dame University, and was Minister of Economic Affairs in Eman's first cabinet. As representative for the Free Trade Zone entrepreneurs in a mixed Dutch-Aruban commission he has to recommend measures to tighten regulations in the FTZ to prevent money laundering and contraband, together with Dutch government officials. (76)

More and more the name Mansur turns up in money laundering cases. Alex and Eric Mansur were indicted in Puerto Rico in August 1994. (77) President Clinton specifically mentioned the Mansur's when he put Aruba on the list of Major Illicit Drug-transit Countries in December 1996. Although no member of the family was actually indicted in the La Costa case, the name Mansur is frequently is found in the files which were seized at Habibe's home on Aruba.

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[cajungirl]

Thanks.

[spectre]

OK, so Mansur is "connected". But his newspapers reputation is at state here.

But he also is a good family man, and his Grandchildren go to the same private school Joran attended.

Way back, he described Joran as a sort of Jekyll and Hyde. (Not in those words)..

And yes, I agree with you. Mansur wants this case to "go away"..for whatever reason.

The witness came forth about 3 weeks ago..long before the reward money was offered. So what do you think about the witness? Real or hoax?

sw