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CAFTA outlaws many vitamins & supplements - stop CAFTA NOW!
Ask the Pharmacist Group ^

Posted on 07/23/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by disclaimer

Defeat CAFTA and save your supplements. You must ACT NOW!

ACT NOW to preserve your access to nutrients, effective vitamins and minerals, and nutritional medicine! We have leverage - it's very close, perhaps within 1 vote!

Listen to Len & Joe (Ask the Pharmacist Group) discuss why this is an important issue for all of us!

CAFTA - BAD for jobs, small businesses, health stores, health freedom

In the fine print the US is being signed up to global regulations that override US supplement laws.

The outcome for CAFTA is up for grabs, as the vote is very close in the House of Representatives.

This is a unique opportunity to get our issue before Members of Congress who have not heard of Codex. The more people who call, the better.

A much larger number of calls are needed to delay CAFTA.

Contact Congress today

Recommened Action:
Call your Representatives' office

Call 1-202-224-3121 weekdays or call your representatives' local district office. If possible, take the time to visit their local district office in person.

or

Email your Representative. We've provided a link to a letter that you can edit to make it easy for you.

It's close! You can influence the decision.

Please ask your Representative to make arrangements with staff to remain vigilant. The treaty could be introduced to the House in the middle of the night or in the early morning.

It will take a lot of pressure, and many more calls and letters to raise this issue of the international threat to supplements. Many in Congress have not yet heard of Codex.

If opposition succeeds in delaying CAFTA, it could still come back for a vote later.

Calls need to number in the millions if we are to make this a 'third rail' issue. It is going to take sustained involvement by the public over a long time, to achieve adequate status for natural medicine.


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KEYWORDS: cafta; supplements; tradeagreements; vitamins
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To: bjs1779

Oh, please.


41 posted on 07/23/2005 8:33:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Boogieman69; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"I had no idea. I think if that slipped through and people realized that their supplements were not freely available there might be riots in the streets. There are still a few things in America that will light a fire under peoples butts."

Sorry to disagree but the american sheeple didn't even riot when the socialist supreme court ruled on the abolition of private property. You think if the sheeple wont get in a tizzy over their most valuable and fundamental right to property, that they will riot over vitamins?


42 posted on 07/23/2005 8:35:09 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: MizSterious
I know who you were responding to.
In regards to CAFTA #2 said; "who cares"
You responded; "For some of us, supplements are what's keeping us alive."
Ergo, one can only surmise that you were buying the line of this press release that CAFTA will cut off and/or somehow effect your ability to obtain your life sustaining "supplements".

So I was only trying to BE NICE and point out with some FACTS that CAFTA will not affect you or your pills. Sheesh, I even did the research for you.

BTW, you shouldn't be so snippy so early in the morning. Did you forget to take a pill?

43 posted on 07/23/2005 8:36:00 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Condor51

I was addressing one question. You assume too much. (And we all know about ASS-U-ME ing, don't we?)


44 posted on 07/23/2005 8:37:53 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: disclaimer
I am also in support of a free market economy - let the buyer beware. I take time to research and understand the vitamins and supplements I take, I don't feel sorry for those who get scammed.

In many cases, that can't or shouldn't be done without a doctor's help. That assumes everyone has access to one, which isn't true.

And I never advocated outlawing anything, did I? I hate it when people do that.

All of this also assumes perfectly educated people, and that everyone is in total control of their faculties. Even if we miraculously get the former (dream on), we never will have the latter, which is why financial scams against the elderly can work so well. I'm sure you wouldn't advocate total dereg of the insurance industry or of complex financial products.

As to FDA, Walter Williams suggested that in the absence of FDA, a drug-biz equivalent of Underwriters Labs would be created and that would serve as a better screen than the totally risk-averse FDA. This would serve as a great due-diligence starting point for consumers and docs, when available. And I'd be willing to entertain the notion that someone can try to peddle their supplements with the drug-UL equivalent label, so that it people wanted to do the experimental stuff, they could.

I'd be willing to take a chance on gutting the FDA and trying the private-screening idea out. Is that free-market enough for you?

45 posted on 07/23/2005 8:38:17 AM PDT by bizzyblog
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To: 1rudeboy
****Beat me by two minutes.***

I have broadband :-)

46 posted on 07/23/2005 8:38:58 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Condor51
Nothing in the WTO SPS Agreement will require the United States to adopt the Codex Guidelines.

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But, the US continues to downward harmononize its food safety standards just the same. And it is industry "working groups" that are doing it, not our the justly elected representatives of the people of the United States.

The codex Alimentarius is an example of our loss of sovereignty.It is not metioned in the NAFTA because it was chartered AFTERWARDS to be the global food sanition regulatory body. It was created by the WTO (which describes itself as a subsidiary organization to the WTO), to "harmonize" sanitary and phytosanitary food regulations. "Harmonization" means standardizing US rules downward to the lowest standard country in whatever FTA we sign. It is an UNELECTED committee that answers to the UN and the WTO. The only way the US has representation here is to send people as parts of "working groups". In the old days (before the WTO) our FDA and congressional subcommittees determined food safety standards. The private individual could always contact their congressional representatives and have input. The people who are assigned to "working groups" are almost always industry professionals or employed by NGOs. This fits the model for "civil governance" developed by the United Nations to take power away from individual citizens and sovereign nations and give it over to the groups I mentioned earlier-- corporations and NGOs who are much more amenable to the interests of the United Nations.

NAFTA and the WTO provide powerful incentives for governments to harmonize standards and regulations even when they are not legally required to do so by the pacts. NAFTA and the WTO also set constraints on member countries' domestic laws by naming certain international standards as the presumptively permissible ones, and by establishing binding international dispute resolution processes where non-conforming domestic laws can be challenged.

--HARMONIZATION HANDBOOK Accountable Governance in the Era of Globalization: the WTO, NAFTA, and International Harmonization
47 posted on 07/23/2005 8:39:23 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Condor51

I only have dial-up at this location. BTW, how do you select text from a .pdf file? I used to be able to do it easily . . . .


48 posted on 07/23/2005 8:40:37 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bizzyblog

Oops, meant to say WITHOUT the drug-UL label.


49 posted on 07/23/2005 8:42:09 AM PDT by bizzyblog
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To: Freebird Forever; MizSterious

Hello, if you are a fan of vitamins/herbs/supplements, then check out www.beyond-a-century.com. They sell bulk supplements at incredible prices, ie 300 grams of calcium ascorbate ("ester-c") for like $7. You can buy caps and do it yourself, or just mix various powders with crystal light and chug it lol.

There is another highly recommended site that doesnt sell bulk powders, but has cheap prices on capped products, www.iherb.com

I am *NOT* affiliated with either site, just have bought from both for years and have nothing but good things to say about them.


50 posted on 07/23/2005 8:42:12 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: bizzyblog
That's enough for me.

Does St. John's wort work as a treatment for depression?

In Europe, results from a number of scientific studies have supported the effectiveness of certain St. John's wort extracts for depression. An overview of 23 clinical studies found that the herb might be useful in cases of mild to moderate depression.

The studies, which included 1,757 outpatients, reported that St. John's wort was more effective than a placebo (here, a "dummy" pill designed to have no effect) and appeared to produce fewer side effects than some standard antidepressants (Linde et al. British Medical Journal, 1996).

Other studies conducted recently have found no benefit from the use of St. John's wort for certain types of depression. For example, the results of a study funded by Pfizer Inc., a pharmaceutical company, found that St. John's wort, when compared with placebo, was not effective for treating major depression (Shelton et al. JAMA, 2001).

Gee, mega phemaceutical corporation Pfizer, makers of Zoloft, found St. John's Wort to be ineffective?

Now there's a shocker!

Side effects of ZOLOFT:

acute renal failure

anaphylactoid reaction (Hypersensitivity to a foreign substance)

angioedema (Excessive accumulation of fluid in the tissues)

blindness optic neuritis (Inflammation, pain or loss of motion in the eye)

increased blood coagulation times

bradycardia (Slowness of the heart rate, usually fewer than 60 beats per minute in an adult human)

arrhythmias (An irregularity in the force or rhythm of the heartbeat)

Tachycardia (A rapid heart rate, especially one above 100 beats per minute in an adult)

Hypothyroidism (Insufficient production of thyroid hormones)

Agranulocytosis (An acute disease marked by high fever and a sharp drop in circulating granular white blood cells)

The above list of Zoloft side effects from Postmarketing Evaluation is actually much longer than listed here.

51 posted on 07/23/2005 8:42:33 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: bizzyblog
The FDA is a creature of the drug industry. They have allowed deadly drugs on the US market long after the rest of the world has determined overwhelming risk. And no doubt, they would restrict access to cheap remedies for maladies the drug companies have expensive cures for. They are a bunch of bureaucrats who often have other agenda's in mind then the protection of the people.

So let the FDA provide advice and guidance to the people, but let the people ultimately decide what they think is best for them - after all, in most instances of health, they most certainly do (eating, drinking, smoking, lifestyles, etc). Why should we let a bunch of self-interested bureaucrats and behind the scenes special-interests dictate what we the people do for our heath in terms of food supplements? Let the buyer beware!

52 posted on 07/23/2005 8:46:44 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: bizzyblog; ActionNewsBill

Puhlezze, stop posting bbc propaganda. Do you know how many false studies that the media trumpets on other vitamins such as vitamin e and vitamin c? some of these studies use very small doseages, which almost guarantee the outcome will be negative.

the good thing about herbs is that when they observe a said effect ie w/ SJW WRT it's effects on depression, is that they can isolate the particular molecule within SJW that exerts this effect. in this case SJW's effect on depression is from hypericin.

this article is very broad but it leads me to believe that the trial was done with SJW, NOT hypericin.


53 posted on 07/23/2005 8:48:08 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: KevinDavis
****You can't post facts here!! You have to follow the moonbat line.. If you don't you will be called a Bush Bot....****

Yeah I know what you mean.
A few years back I got burned by "following the moonbat line" on a thread about some alleged pending legislation and fired off letters to my Rep and then Senator Peter Fitzgerlad - no more.

The moonbat line was 100% wrong and I wound up looking like a jerk. I subsequently called their offices to apologize for my STOO-PID letter based on the bogus information. So now I read the dang thing first. I'll search THOMAS and/or any pertinent gubmint website first.

54 posted on 07/23/2005 8:52:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: ppaul
There are terrorists in our midst who are out to destroy our civilization and murder all of us. Who cares about vitamins.

Convienent distraction. I care about freedom, and fair trade,
55 posted on 07/23/2005 8:54:33 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Thanks for the tip.


56 posted on 07/23/2005 8:55:46 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Stellar Dendrite
www.beyond-a-century.com
www.iherb.com

Interesting. Thanks for the links.

You can buy caps and do it yourself

I do this now with ginseng.

57 posted on 07/23/2005 8:56:10 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (abolish islam)
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To: Condor51

Can you imagine how your typical Rep. must feel when his or her office gets a phone call about vitamin supplements? I'm chuckling simply thinking about it . . . .


58 posted on 07/23/2005 8:56:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ActionNewsBill
Does St. John's wort work as a treatment for depression?

Yes, my sister takes it instead of expensive prozac.
59 posted on 07/23/2005 8:58:11 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: ken21
that's too logical for the luddites on this forum!

Applying a bit of triangulation here, eh.

You're just so much above the rest of us aren't you now. You don't offer anything about the topic, you only have your feelings and ill fitted ego to shower upon us.

Read posting #36 by bjs1779.

I know, you read the official statement by the government. Nothing to see here.

60 posted on 07/23/2005 9:00:19 AM PDT by disclaimer
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