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CAFTA outlaws many vitamins & supplements - stop CAFTA NOW!
Ask the Pharmacist Group ^

Posted on 07/23/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by disclaimer

Defeat CAFTA and save your supplements. You must ACT NOW!

ACT NOW to preserve your access to nutrients, effective vitamins and minerals, and nutritional medicine! We have leverage - it's very close, perhaps within 1 vote!

Listen to Len & Joe (Ask the Pharmacist Group) discuss why this is an important issue for all of us!

CAFTA - BAD for jobs, small businesses, health stores, health freedom

In the fine print the US is being signed up to global regulations that override US supplement laws.

The outcome for CAFTA is up for grabs, as the vote is very close in the House of Representatives.

This is a unique opportunity to get our issue before Members of Congress who have not heard of Codex. The more people who call, the better.

A much larger number of calls are needed to delay CAFTA.

Contact Congress today

Recommened Action:
Call your Representatives' office

Call 1-202-224-3121 weekdays or call your representatives' local district office. If possible, take the time to visit their local district office in person.

or

Email your Representative. We've provided a link to a letter that you can edit to make it easy for you.

It's close! You can influence the decision.

Please ask your Representative to make arrangements with staff to remain vigilant. The treaty could be introduced to the House in the middle of the night or in the early morning.

It will take a lot of pressure, and many more calls and letters to raise this issue of the international threat to supplements. Many in Congress have not yet heard of Codex.

If opposition succeeds in delaying CAFTA, it could still come back for a vote later.

Calls need to number in the millions if we are to make this a 'third rail' issue. It is going to take sustained involvement by the public over a long time, to achieve adequate status for natural medicine.


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KEYWORDS: cafta; supplements; tradeagreements; vitamins
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To: bizzyblog
That's enough for me.

Does St. John's wort work as a treatment for depression?

In Europe, results from a number of scientific studies have supported the effectiveness of certain St. John's wort extracts for depression. An overview of 23 clinical studies found that the herb might be useful in cases of mild to moderate depression.

The studies, which included 1,757 outpatients, reported that St. John's wort was more effective than a placebo (here, a "dummy" pill designed to have no effect) and appeared to produce fewer side effects than some standard antidepressants (Linde et al. British Medical Journal, 1996).

Other studies conducted recently have found no benefit from the use of St. John's wort for certain types of depression. For example, the results of a study funded by Pfizer Inc., a pharmaceutical company, found that St. John's wort, when compared with placebo, was not effective for treating major depression (Shelton et al. JAMA, 2001).

Gee, mega phemaceutical corporation Pfizer, makers of Zoloft, found St. John's Wort to be ineffective?

Now there's a shocker!

Side effects of ZOLOFT:

acute renal failure

anaphylactoid reaction (Hypersensitivity to a foreign substance)

angioedema (Excessive accumulation of fluid in the tissues)

blindness optic neuritis (Inflammation, pain or loss of motion in the eye)

increased blood coagulation times

bradycardia (Slowness of the heart rate, usually fewer than 60 beats per minute in an adult human)

arrhythmias (An irregularity in the force or rhythm of the heartbeat)

Tachycardia (A rapid heart rate, especially one above 100 beats per minute in an adult)

Hypothyroidism (Insufficient production of thyroid hormones)

Agranulocytosis (An acute disease marked by high fever and a sharp drop in circulating granular white blood cells)

The above list of Zoloft side effects from Postmarketing Evaluation is actually much longer than listed here.

51 posted on 07/23/2005 8:42:33 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: bizzyblog
The FDA is a creature of the drug industry. They have allowed deadly drugs on the US market long after the rest of the world has determined overwhelming risk. And no doubt, they would restrict access to cheap remedies for maladies the drug companies have expensive cures for. They are a bunch of bureaucrats who often have other agenda's in mind then the protection of the people.

So let the FDA provide advice and guidance to the people, but let the people ultimately decide what they think is best for them - after all, in most instances of health, they most certainly do (eating, drinking, smoking, lifestyles, etc). Why should we let a bunch of self-interested bureaucrats and behind the scenes special-interests dictate what we the people do for our heath in terms of food supplements? Let the buyer beware!

52 posted on 07/23/2005 8:46:44 AM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: bizzyblog; ActionNewsBill

Puhlezze, stop posting bbc propaganda. Do you know how many false studies that the media trumpets on other vitamins such as vitamin e and vitamin c? some of these studies use very small doseages, which almost guarantee the outcome will be negative.

the good thing about herbs is that when they observe a said effect ie w/ SJW WRT it's effects on depression, is that they can isolate the particular molecule within SJW that exerts this effect. in this case SJW's effect on depression is from hypericin.

this article is very broad but it leads me to believe that the trial was done with SJW, NOT hypericin.


53 posted on 07/23/2005 8:48:08 AM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. -- George Orwell)
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To: KevinDavis
****You can't post facts here!! You have to follow the moonbat line.. If you don't you will be called a Bush Bot....****

Yeah I know what you mean.
A few years back I got burned by "following the moonbat line" on a thread about some alleged pending legislation and fired off letters to my Rep and then Senator Peter Fitzgerlad - no more.

The moonbat line was 100% wrong and I wound up looking like a jerk. I subsequently called their offices to apologize for my STOO-PID letter based on the bogus information. So now I read the dang thing first. I'll search THOMAS and/or any pertinent gubmint website first.

54 posted on 07/23/2005 8:52:43 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: ppaul
There are terrorists in our midst who are out to destroy our civilization and murder all of us. Who cares about vitamins.

Convienent distraction. I care about freedom, and fair trade,
55 posted on 07/23/2005 8:54:33 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Thanks for the tip.


56 posted on 07/23/2005 8:55:46 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Stellar Dendrite
www.beyond-a-century.com
www.iherb.com

Interesting. Thanks for the links.

You can buy caps and do it yourself

I do this now with ginseng.

57 posted on 07/23/2005 8:56:10 AM PDT by Freebird Forever (abolish islam)
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To: Condor51

Can you imagine how your typical Rep. must feel when his or her office gets a phone call about vitamin supplements? I'm chuckling simply thinking about it . . . .


58 posted on 07/23/2005 8:56:42 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: ActionNewsBill
Does St. John's wort work as a treatment for depression?

Yes, my sister takes it instead of expensive prozac.
59 posted on 07/23/2005 8:58:11 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: ken21
that's too logical for the luddites on this forum!

Applying a bit of triangulation here, eh.

You're just so much above the rest of us aren't you now. You don't offer anything about the topic, you only have your feelings and ill fitted ego to shower upon us.

Read posting #36 by bjs1779.

I know, you read the official statement by the government. Nothing to see here.

60 posted on 07/23/2005 9:00:19 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: Stellar Dendrite

Here's another one that sells bulk herbs....cheap.
http://www.herbco.com/homeindex2.htm


61 posted on 07/23/2005 9:02:47 AM PDT by bjs1779
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To: Condor51; All

I like to learn the facts before I decide...


62 posted on 07/23/2005 9:04:24 AM PDT by KevinDavis (the space/future belongs to the eagles, the earth/past to the groundhogs)
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To: 1rudeboy
****BTW, how do you select text from a .pdf file? I used to be able to do it easily . . . .****

On the tool-bar, to the right of the page navigation "Hand" there should be a "Select Text" button/tool. If your button labels are on you'll see "Select Text", if it's turned off it will only have a 'T'.

This is part of the "Basic" buttons for the tool-bar so make sure that is checked "on" or you won't even see the "Hand".

63 posted on 07/23/2005 9:08:20 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: 1rudeboy
Can you imagine how your typical Rep. must feel when his or her office gets a phone call about vitamin supplements? I'm chuckling simply thinking about it . . . .

...and your statement illustrates very clearly that you don't understand the issue at stake.

64 posted on 07/23/2005 9:09:00 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: Delphinium
Yes, my sister takes it instead of expensive prozac.

I'm glad that it works for her.

At least she won't be shooting up a high school.

Eric Harris was taking Luvox (a Prozac-like drug) at the time of the Littleton murders

by Peter R. Breggin, M.D.

On April 29 the Washington Post confirmed that Eric Harris, the leader in the Littleton tragedy, was taking the psychiatric drug Luvox at the time of the murders. On April 30 the same newspaper published a story quoting expert claims that Luvox is safe and has no association with causing violence.

In fact, Luvox and closely related drugs commonly produce manic psychoses, aggression, and other behavioral abnormalities in children and young people.

THE SHOOTING DRUGS -- PROZAC and its Generation EXPOSED on the Internet

Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Serzone, Luvox, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, and even Ritalin (amphetamine for kids) have cropped up at the crime scenes of so many school shootings, suicides, workplace massacres and other callous killings, that NO ONE can deny the truth any longer:

SSRI drugs actually cause people to kill, without feeling remorse, often with a smile, saying: "Sorry, but you deserve it." This horrible truth is HARD to accept, especially for the news media, and the few people who may benefit from them.

65 posted on 07/23/2005 9:10:32 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: disclaimer

What might that issue be? Surely you can articulate it if it is so important.


66 posted on 07/23/2005 9:14:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bizzyblog
Glucosamine, Chondroitin & MSM virtually eliminated all of my joint pain within a couple of months. I was taking so much aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, etc. that coupled with acid reflux, when the stuff came up it was burning the inside of my mouth and leaving painful sores. I haven't had to take a NSAID in probably over 6 months now except for the occasional headache and the mouth sores have never returned.
67 posted on 07/23/2005 9:14:24 AM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Serzone, Luvox, Celexa, Effexor, Wellbutrin, and even Ritalin (amphetamine for kids) have cropped up at the crime scenes of so many school shootings, suicides, workplace massacres and other callous killings, that NO ONE can deny the truth any longer:

Really, I have never heard that?
68 posted on 07/23/2005 9:17:04 AM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Condor51
I don't know what it is but CAFTA is turning normally sane people into moonbats.

There is a distinct possibility they've always been moonbats.

69 posted on 07/23/2005 9:17:04 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: 1rudeboy
What might that issue be? Surely you can articulate it if it is so important.

I'm supposed to take your disingenuous request seriously? I don't think so rude boy.

70 posted on 07/23/2005 9:24:55 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: disclaimer

Great discussion we're having. Excuse me while I fire-off a letter to my Congressman that the WTO is trying to take away my dandelion-extract.


71 posted on 07/23/2005 9:27:49 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: bizzyblog
In many cases, that can't or shouldn't be done without a doctor's help. That assumes everyone has access to one, which isn't true.

Oh, give me a break. I often know more about the prescriptions that doctors have written for me or my family, all through my own research. I've even had to call and have a doctor correct an improper dosage or change the drug altogether. They're not "gods", not even close.

In fact, many are nothing more than middle men for HMOs and/or pharmaceutical companies.

72 posted on 07/23/2005 9:32:26 AM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Great discussion we're having.

Comments like: "Can you imagine how your typical Rep. must feel when his or her office gets a phone call about vitamin supplements? I'm chuckling simply thinking about it . . . ." from you certainly doesn't make great discussion.

Excuse me while I fire-off a letter to my Congressman that the WTO is trying to take away my dandelion-extract.

Why don't you go pick some dandelions while you're at it. You're not here for discussion, you're here to ridicule.

73 posted on 07/23/2005 9:34:05 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: bizzyblog
All of this also assumes perfectly educated people... Even if we miraculously get the former (dream on)

Well now we know where you're coming from... talk about pointy-headed elitism.

74 posted on 07/23/2005 9:34:31 AM PDT by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: disclaimer

I've got a link for some states at thotline.com

check it out, I'll add any congressmen you wish.

Steve


75 posted on 07/23/2005 9:35:46 AM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: disclaimer

I refer you to my comment #23.


76 posted on 07/23/2005 9:37:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; bjs1779
I refer you to my comment #23.

Addressed in post #36.

77 posted on 07/23/2005 9:45:13 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: disclaimer
CAFTA - BAD for jobs, small businesses, health stores, health freedom

CAFTA - Good for multinational corporations, globalists, one-worlders, wage slaveholders, and the power elite.

The president likes it. And that's all there is to it.

78 posted on 07/23/2005 9:50:24 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: disclaimer

Once upon a time, we used leeches to let blood . . . .


79 posted on 07/23/2005 9:51:12 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Euro-American Scum

All Hail! Ralph Nader has arrived!


80 posted on 07/23/2005 9:51:46 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Loud Mime
This is the first I've heard of thotline.com; impressive newsletter.
81 posted on 07/23/2005 9:57:11 AM PDT by disclaimer
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To: 1rudeboy
Once upon a time, we used leeches to let blood . .

Bet you didn't know this:

FDA Approves Leeches as Medical Devices.

82 posted on 07/23/2005 10:03:13 AM PDT by bjs1779
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To: disclaimer

Thanks............. I'm working on the August one right now and will soon have automail updates.....


83 posted on 07/23/2005 10:05:40 AM PDT by Loud Mime (thotline.com)
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To: bjs1779

No I didn't. But the WTO didn't prevent it, either. That's the point I'm contesting.


84 posted on 07/23/2005 10:14:06 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
No I didn't. But the WTO didn't prevent it, either.

Remember, people remember what the FDA tried to do with supplements years ago. It took an act of Congress to reign them in. There is a precedent for the skepticism behavior, imo. Nowadays, we have Supreme Court Justices that refer to internatioal law when making decisions. Is it that much of a leap?

" In the past, FDA has repeatedly attempted to define dietary supplements as drugs or food additives and subsequently remove them from the market. The legislation defines a dietary supplement as any product which contains one or more dietary ingredients such as a vitamin, mineral, herb or other botanical, amino acid or other ingredient used to supplement the diet. The legislation makes it clear that these products may not be regulated as food additives or drugs under most circumstances."

Congress blocks FDA from removing health supplements
85 posted on 07/23/2005 10:42:08 AM PDT by bjs1779
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To: ppaul

"Who cares about vitamins?"

I for one believe the ME'ers suffer from malnutrition, which has caused them to morph into rabid dogs. They need more bacon, eggs and ham...IMO

UWS


86 posted on 07/23/2005 10:47:49 AM PDT by underwiredsupport (...for the shape of things to come!)
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To: streetpreacher

Pointy-headed elitism? Zheesh.

I'm simply acknowledging that we are nowhere near getting to the point of everyone being educated enough to evaluate health and treatment options, thanks to government schools and negiligent parents. There's nothing elitist about that. It's simply recognizing an unfortunate reality.

I'd appreciate it if you could eliminate the baseless personal attacks.


87 posted on 07/23/2005 12:02:26 PM PDT by bizzyblog
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To: bizzyblog
"If CAFTA effectively puts supplements back under FDA, I would have to reluctantly say that's a good thing."

I don't think the government should EVER be able to stop people from taking any supplements or drugs they want. If the government wants to require that the manufacturers put a label on an item stating all the concerns of the FDA, or stating flatly that "this is not fit for human consumption" or "this will kill humans", that's better than the government prohibiting people from using them. If we believe the government labels, we'll stop. If we don't believe the government, we'll use them anyway.

In responding to me please put aside scaled "recreational drugs", which are not really the subject of this thread. They are mainly offensive to me because of the welfare state. Otherwise, I believe that free men and women should have the right to kill themselves or otherwise choose to go to hell in whatever manner please them. But that's not what this post is about.
88 posted on 07/23/2005 12:13:16 PM PDT by labard1
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To: disclaimer

bttt


89 posted on 07/27/2005 11:02:05 AM PDT by madfly
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