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"Did he or did he not kill a woman at Chappaquiddic" Ann Coulter
Fox News ^ | 27 JUL 05 | Self

Posted on 07/27/2005 6:38:35 PM PDT by bannie

Edited on 07/28/2005 5:33:32 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Fee

Gosh, that is what the dems are always accusing the REps of, but they themselves are guilty of...

"Its not the crime, it's the cover-up!"....

This must be when that phrase got started.


141 posted on 07/27/2005 7:06:49 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Jorge

Accuse him of a tragic accident? Lets not forget Teddy left the scene of this "tragic accident" and went to a motel room and sleep it off without calling for help or even reporting it. He tried to cover it up. This was not just a "tragic accident"!


142 posted on 07/27/2005 7:06:50 PM PDT by kempo
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To: Phsstpok
And we should go on asking it until EVERY demonrat who has stood by Teddy is out of office.

And the Kleagle Byrd follow-up. Did or did he not serve as a paid recruiter for the Ku Klux Klan?

143 posted on 07/27/2005 7:07:23 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Jorge
To repeatedly attack and accuse him years on end over a tragic accident is cheap and low IMHO

He ran off a bridge drunk, got out of the car, and went to his lawyers house. Help didn't arrive for hours. He really handled it like it was a tragic accident.
144 posted on 07/27/2005 7:07:45 PM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: Jorge
If Fat Ted had gotten drunk, crashed, called for help and Mary Jo wasn't able to be rescued, I might be able to put it behind me as a tragic example of drunken irresponsibility.

However, he wandered off to figure out how he could save his own ass leaving Mary Jo to suffocate during the next couple of hours. She didn't die because Kennedy was driving drunk. She died because Kennedy was trying to find a way of saving his political career and decided his job was more important than her life.

He became a murderer when he passed the first house on his walk back and didn't pound on the door asking the residents to call for help.

145 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:07 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
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To: Jorge
To repeatedly attack and accuse him years on end over a tragic accident is cheap and low IMHO.

Actually what is tragic is NOT HELPING THE GIRL GET OUT OF THE CAR!

You see, people will get learn to deal with the tragedy of a drunk driving accident. But to leave Mary Jo alive in that car and not try to rescue or get help is what really makes him loathed!

146 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:14 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (Yoo-Hoo, Ms, Plame. Ollie, ollie, oxen free. Come out, come out, wherever you are!)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

great timing dont you think


147 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:24 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: bannie
Colmes didn't answer, and the set was quiet.

I hate it when that happens; when the person with the cojones is the only attractive woman within earshot.

Way to go Ann!

148 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:41 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Jorge
Nonsense. I know people who accidently killed others in their car, or with their car. They are not in jail but their hearts are broken. I find it almost demonic that others would ever use such a tragedy to torment them with the memory of it.

Did they leave the scene and a person behind to die?

149 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:47 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Jorge
But that doesn't excuse the hateful meanspirited practice of some on the right of constantly parroting "Chappaquiddic"

What are you... FLIPPIN INSANE?

Kennedy deserves this damnation IN SPADES. This sonovabitch has the AUDACITY to fashion himself as a moral arbiter?

Bullshyt! I say we harangue him till his liver finally falls out.

150 posted on 07/27/2005 7:08:47 PM PDT by bikepacker67
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To: Jorge
It was an ACCIDENT.

Read, Senatorial Privilege.

The boy left her while she was still alive. He walked back to a cottage to sober up before he called his lawyer. She had plenty of time to be rescued. Her oxygen finally ran out, and she died. Her corpse was in a position of fighting to keep her head above water.

Wiesel Kennedy tried to get his cousin to take some blame, at which the cousin said, "Even Kennedy's don't [crap] in their own back yard."

You are poorly-informed on this subject.

151 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:08 PM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: Jorge

If you are driving drunk and you kill a passenger, another motorist or a pedestrian it is not an accident, it is homicide by motor vehicle while intoxicated. It is a felony and punishable by anywhere up to 5 to 10 years depending upon the State where it happens.

Unless you are a Kennedy, then it is an accident.

You are a moron if you say it was an accident one more time.


152 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:15 PM PDT by Abundy (Locke, Hobbes, Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, et. al. - The orginal extremist militia groupies...)
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To: BykrBayb
When Mary Jo Kopechne gets over it, so will I. Last I heard, she was still dead.

Spare me the phony personal convictions.
Ted Kennedy cared more for this woman than you EVER could and feels 100 times as bad about her death than you EVER could.

This tormenting him over her memory is nothing but a meanspirited nasty attack.

153 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:19 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Is he out there boasting about it or something? It was an ACCIDENT.

How do you know it was an accident? He was probably smashed out of his mind and the fact that he did not save Ms. Kopechne is unconscionable!

Why didn't he save Mary Jo?

154 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:26 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: Jorge

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkopechne.htm
This sound like an accident?

On 17th July, 1969, Kopechne joined several other women who had worked for the Kennedy family at the Edgartown Regatta. She stayed at the Katama Shores Motor Inn on the southern tip of Martha's Vineyard. The following day the women travelled across to Chappaquiddick Island. They were joined by Edward Kennedy and that night they held a party at Lawrence Cottage. At the party was Kennedy, Kopechne, Susan Tannenbaum, Maryellen Lyons, Ann Lyons, Rosemary Keough, Esther Newburgh, Joe Gargan, Paul Markham, Charles Tretter, Raymond La Rosa and John Crimmins.

Kopechne and Kennedy left the party at 11.15pm. Kennedy had offered to take Kopechne back to her hotel. He later explained what happened: "I was unfamiliar with the road and turned onto Dyke Road instead of bearing left on Main Street. After proceeding for approximately a half mile on Dyke Road I descended a hill and came upon a narrow bridge. The car went off the side of the bridge.... The car turned over and sank into the water and landed with the roof resting on the bottom. I attempted to open the door and window of the car but have no recollection of how I got out of the car. I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt."

Instead of reporting the accident Edward Kennedy returned to the party. According to a statement issued by Kennedy on 25th July, 1969: "instead of looking directly for a telephone number after lying exhausted in the grass for an undetermined time, walked back to the cottage where the party was being held and requested the help of two friends, my cousin Joseph Gargan and Paul Markham, and directed them to return immediately to the scene with me - this was some time after midnight - in order to undertake a new effort to dive."

When this effort to rescue Kopechne ended in failure, Kennedy decided to return to his hotel. As the ferry had shut down for the night Kennedy, swam back to Edgartown. It was not until the following morning that Kennedy reported the accident to the police. By this time the police had found Mary Jo Kopechne's body in Kennedy's car.

Edward Kennedy was found guilty of leaving the scene of the accident and received a suspended two-month jail term and one-year driving ban. That night he appeared on television to explain what had happened. He explained: "My conduct and conversations during the next several hours to the extent that I can remember them make no sense to me at all. Although my doctors informed me that I suffered a cerebral concussion as well as shock, I do not seek to escape responsibility for my actions by placing the blame either on the physical, emotional trauma brought on by the accident or on anyone else. I regard as indefensible the fact that I did not report the accident to the police immediately."

At the inquest Judge James Boyle raised doubts about Kennedy's testimony. He pointed out that as Kennedy had a good knowledge of Chappaquiddick Island he could not understand how he managed to drive down Dyke Road by mistake. For example, on the day of the accident, Kennedy had twice had driven on Dyke Road to go to the beach for a swim. To get to Dyke Road involved a 90-degree turn off a metalled road onto the rough, bumpy dirt-track.

An investigation at the scene of the accident by Raymond R. McHenry, suggested that Kennedy approached the bridge at an estimated 34 miles (55 kilometres) per hour. At around 5 metres (17 feet) from the bridge, Kennedy braked violently. This locked the front wheels. According to McHenry: "The car skidded 5 metres (17 feet) along the road, 8 metres (25 feet) up the humpback bridge, jumped a 14 centimetre barrier, somersaulted through the air for about 10 metres (35 feet) into the water and landed upside-down."

Investigators found it difficult to understand why he was crossing Dyke Bridge when he said he was attempting to reach Edgartown which was in the opposite direction. They also could not understand why he was driving so fast on this unlit, uneven, road. They also could not work out how Kennedy escaped from the car. When it was recovered from the water all the doors were locked. Three of the windows were either open or smashed in. If Kennedy, a large-framed 6 foot 2 inches tall man could manage to get out of the car, why was it impossible for Mary JO Kopechne, a slender 5 foot 2 inches tall, not do the same?

Local experts could not understand why Kennedy (and later, Markham and Gargan) could not rescue Kopechne from the car. It also surprised investigators that Kennedy did not seek help from Pierre Malm, who only lived 135 metres from the bridge. At the inquest Kennedy was unable to answer this question.

There were also doubts about the way Kopechne died. Dr. Donald Mills of Edgartown, wrote on the death certificate: "death by drowning". However, Gene Frieh, the undertaker, told reporters that death "was due to suffocation rather than drowning". John Farrar, the diver who removed Kopechne from the car, claimed she was "too buoyant to be full of water". It is assumed that she died from drowning, although her parents filed a petition preventing an autopsy.

Other questions were asked about Kennedy's decision to swim back to Edgartown. The 150 metre channel had strong currents and only the strongest of swimmers would have been able to make the journey safely. Also no one saw Kennedy arrive back at the Shiretown Inn in wet clothes. Ross Richards, who had a conversation with Kennedy the following morning at the hotel described him as casual and at ease.

Kennedy did not inform the police of the accident while he was at the hotel. Instead at 9am he joined Gargan and Markham on the ferry back to Chappaquiddick. Steve Ewing, the ferry operator, reported Kennedy in a jovial mood. It was only when Kennedy reached the island that he phoned the authorities about the accident that had taken place the previous night.

Dr. Robert Watt, Kennedy's family doctor, explained his patient's strange behaviour by claiming he was in a state of shock and confusion and "possible concussion."



155 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:53 PM PDT by Thumbellina (As I recall, Kerry referred to terrorism as "overrated".)
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To: ronnieb

Ted Kennedy's Driving Record - List of Traffic Offenses
- Ted Kennedy had a record of serious traffic violations. Their nature formed a pattern of deliberate and repeated negligent operation. Particularly bothersome was a June, 1958 conviction for "reckless driving."

- On March 14, 1958, Deputy Sheriff Thomas Whitten had been on routine highway patrol outside Charlottesville, Virginia, when an Oldsmobile convertible ran a red light, sped off, then cut its tail lights to elude pursuit. A license check revealed the car belonged to Edward M. Kennedy, a 26-year-old law student attending the University of Virginia. Kennedy had previously been fined $15 for speeding in March 1957.
- Whitten was on patrol at the same intersection a week later, he testified, "And here comes the same car. And to my surprise, he did exactly the same thing. He raced through the same red light, cut his lights when he got to the corner and made the right turn." Whitten gave chase. He found the car in a driveway, apparently unoccupied. Looking inside, he discovered the driver, Teddy Kennedy, stretched out on the front seat and hiding. Whitten issued a ticket for "reckless driving; racing with an officer to avoid arrest; and operating a motor vehicle without an operator's license (Mass. registration.)"
- Kennedy's attorneys were able to win numerous postponements, but eventually he was convicted on all charges and paid a $35 fine. Court officials never filed the mandatory notice of the case in the public docket, however, and Kennedy's name had not appeared on any arrest blotter. Instead, a local reporter discovered the case when he spotted 5 warrants in Kennedy's name in a court cash drawer.

- Three weeks after his trial, Ted Kennedy was caught speeding again, and still operating without a valid license.

- In December 1959, Kennedy was stopped again for running a red light and fined $10 and costs. In Whitten's view, "That boy had a heavy foot and a mental block against the color red. He was a careless, reckless driver who didn't seem to have any regard for speed limits or traffic ordinances."




- The offenses in Virginia had occurred on Ted Kennedy's Massachusetts driver's license, but mysteriously neither the Registry of Motor Vehicles nor the office of probation in Cambridge had any record of the out-of-state convictions. Had it been revealed at the inquest, the Senator's history of negligence and reckless driving would have been further evidence to support a charge of manslaughter in the Chappaquiddick accident.

~ Senatorial Privilege by Leo Damore
- Senator Kennedy's driver's license had expired on February 22, 1969 (nearly 5 months before the accident at Chappaquiddick) and had not been renewed.
- Although driving with an expired license was only a misdemeanor, it did provide the evidence of negligence needed to prove a manslaughter charge in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.
- The license problem was "fixed" by officials at the Registry of Motor Vehicles, under the direction of Registrar Richard McLaughlin, before the legal proceedings began.


156 posted on 07/27/2005 7:09:56 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: bannie
I know this thread is about more serious issues than most Ann threads but the rules are the rules.

God,I love this woman.

157 posted on 07/27/2005 7:10:05 PM PDT by carlr
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To: Jorge

It was not an 'accident'. He did not bother to report it until several hours later. She was still alive, and may have been saved with faster action.


158 posted on 07/27/2005 7:10:51 PM PDT by mathluv (Mercy shown to an evil man is cruelty to the innocent.)
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To: WakeUpAndVote
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159 posted on 07/27/2005 7:10:51 PM PDT by b4its2late (Suicidal Blond Twin Kills Sister By Mistake!)
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To: bannie
Ann Coulter is absolutely right about this despicable cowardly ignoble man being held up as some monolithic person of virtue so much so that it is considered ill mannered to even speak of his perfidy the night he allowed a young woman to die in his car while he never called the authorities to aid in her plight.

Oh, the man was able to make over 17 phone calls to his cronies to protect his evil behind, but not one to the fire department or the police.

Ann Coulter is absolutely right in demanding an answer and is really correct in stating that this man is not fit to sit in judgement of anyone.

It's good, very damn good that we have a woman with the brawn and intellect to take on the decadent hypocrisy of the leftists.

I can't wait for the day she takes on the biggest slimeyest low life hypocrite of all, Mrs. Clinton, as Clinton slithers her way to the center of politics to screw and dupe voters into thinking she is someone she is not.

I'm hoping Ann Coulter will send her packing to the far out left where Mrs. Clinton's real home is.

160 posted on 07/27/2005 7:10:59 PM PDT by harpo11
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