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Islam Does Not Mean “Peace” - (Hint: It means "Submission," which means surrender!)
AMERICAN CHRONICLE.COM ^ | JULY 28, 2005 | SHER ZIEVE

Posted on 07/28/2005 12:15:45 PM PDT by CHARLITE

I happened upon a piece in last Sunday’s Washington Post, which was written by Muslim journalist Mona Eltahawy. Having moved to London with her parents when she was 7 years of age, Ms. Eltahawy wrote that “the London bombings did it for me” and that she has reached the end of her patience with the terrorists’ excuses that US President Bush and/or British PM Tony Blair ‘made them do it’. Also, Eltahawy correctly advises that Islam does not mean peace. Rather, it means submission. And if we people of the world still have any capability of believing what we see and hear, this “submission” has firmly included the radical Islamic believers “submitting” to blowing up or killing everything and everyone with which they don’t agree.

The Muslim terrorists are, apparently, required to totally capitulate to the wills of their radical Islamic “we-hate-everything-about-the-West” masters. No questions or discussions are allowed. Although these violent behaviors have been accelerating for many years they have, at the very least, been ongoing since first President Bush’s and the Clinton’s administrations.

For those who still erroneously and disingenuously maintain that the US’s Iraq war involvement was and is the reason for the ongoing terrorist slaughters (including the myriad liberal and leftist world journalists), I’d like to again refresh your memories; by reiterating my comments from a previous column. At the very least, please make some genuine attempt to absorb them.

• When the USS Cole was attacked by terrorists in Yemen, we were not in Iraq

• When the first Twin Towers’ terrorists’ attack occurred, we were not in Iraq

• When the Kobar Towers were bombed by the Islamo-fascists, we were not in Iraq

• When the 9/11 catastrophic terrorist attacks occurred, we were not in Iraq

Why are the above realities and factual occurrences difficult for so many to grasp? Or, do they understand them, after all? Could it be that these are simply too frightening and patently unpleasant to be addressed? Is it merely more comforting to believe that they didn’t happen? Or, is it that the USA is a “safe target” (and the real Islamo-fascist menace is not) for the liberals and leftists of the world to vilify? Contrary to some popular conspiracy theories, the USA does not violently attack journalists. If it did, I daresay we’d see a complete turnaround in their ‘we hate the US’ rhetoric. They’d be too afraid to voice them.

Of course, the current real and present danger is that some of the journalists’ readers actually buy into the messages of the ‘poor-misunderstood-terrorists’ and the bad-democracy-spreading-USA’. Further, I have actually received a number of communiqués from self-proclaimed environmentalists advising me that endangered species (including the California Arroyo toad) are actually more important than the terrorists’ activities. The head in the sand phenomenon continues. I wonder what justifications will be written and spoken of by the left-elite when the first dirty bomb is exploded in-country by the misunderstood terrorists.

Strangely, conservatives don’t seem to think the terrorists ‘misunderstood’. They seem to know exactly what these beings are doing. In fact, conservatives actually heard the message of a Muslim cleric (and those like him) calling himself Abu Osama who preached to his followers—in London—of the London bombing attacks: “The London bombings were about striking terror into the heart of the enemy.” The enemy, this time England, is the same country that gave political asylum to those Muslims fleeing their own oppressive countries and societies.

Many of these same refugees, including one of the recent terrorist bombers, have also been placed on the British dole; the same dole that apparently paid for the weapons used in the recent London attacks. But, then again, maybe I shouldn’t be too harsh with the terrorists. Perhaps, I should adopt the more neo-lib’s attitude (not to be confused with the traditional liberal) of acknowledging that these terrorist activities are only a cultural difference between the two societies. Maybe, it’s just the Islamo-fascist’s way of reaching out to those who helped them to escape repressive societies (by providing them refuge), enjoy free-speech and assisted them toward achieving freedoms they had not previously known. Maybe, after all is said and done, it’s just the terrorists’ way of saying “thank you” to their benefactors!

Sher Zieve welcomes comments at: szieve@zianet.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bombings; global; islam; london; moderates; muslims; saraheltanawy; submission; terror; world
"It means "Submission," which means surrender!"

I wonder if American islamists have a full comprehension of the history, mentality and sheer overwhelming MIGHT of this "sleeping giant" to whom they are delivering "Islam = submission = surrender?"

1 posted on 07/28/2005 12:15:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

Wow - thanks for the post. Notable too that many more are on the Canadian dole and I fear time is running out for this set of benefactors as well.


2 posted on 07/28/2005 12:19:11 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: backhoe; Stopislamnow; Fred Nerks; canalabamian; Leapfrog; Critical Bill
Islam ping.

Char :)

3 posted on 07/28/2005 12:19:49 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: CHARLITE; Owl_Eagle; Sam's Army; holdonnow; doug from upland; Darksheare; Dashing Dasher; ...
Powerful statements. Thanks for posting.

Good read PING!!

4 posted on 07/28/2005 12:20:53 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: CHARLITE

Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love.


5 posted on 07/28/2005 12:21:41 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Sarcasm/Some here don't get it unless you spell it out)
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To: Sabramerican

islame is a vehicle liberals exploit to spread their hate of America.


6 posted on 07/28/2005 12:24:50 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: CHARLITE
After London, Tough Questions for Muslims
7 posted on 07/28/2005 12:25:08 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws spawned the runaway federal health care monopoly and fund terrorism.)
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To: timsbella

You're probably right...with gun control what it is up North, they are sitting ducks...


8 posted on 07/28/2005 12:33:03 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: CHARLITE; USF; Fred Nerks
Great article Charlite.

This is my concern...""sleeping giant..."

WHEN is this sleeping giant going to wake up from its coma?

9 posted on 07/28/2005 12:37:15 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: SJackson; Alouette; Salem; Bombardier; Esther Ruth; Yehuda; Nachum; dennisw; sheik yerbouty; ...

Good article - Ping!


10 posted on 07/28/2005 12:40:26 PM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Sabramerican
"Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love."

You get a gold star for that analogy!


11 posted on 07/28/2005 12:41:13 PM PDT by Niteranger68 ("Spare the rod, spoil the liberal.")
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Gun control and human failures like Carolyn Parrish.

What can I say.....Quack!


12 posted on 07/28/2005 12:42:11 PM PDT by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: South40
We were not in Iraq in the 70's when American planes were being hijacked.
13 posted on 07/28/2005 12:44:00 PM PDT by BMC1
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To: RacerF150

At least good enough for a tagline....and to be beheaded by the ROP if they could identify me.


14 posted on 07/28/2005 12:45:06 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: CHARLITE

Unfortunately, I think they do.


15 posted on 07/28/2005 12:47:38 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: jan in Colorado
"WHEN is this sleeping giant going to wake up from its coma?"

I hate to contemplate another 9/11, or worse, but I have the feeling that that is what it might take to shake loose the dreamers who are still counting on the newest rendition of Kumbaya for protection against islamofascism.

Thanks for your comment, jan!

Char :)

16 posted on 07/28/2005 12:58:09 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Islam means idiot in english


17 posted on 07/28/2005 1:09:18 PM PDT by pissant
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To: jan in Colorado
WHEN is this sleeping giant going to wake up from its coma?

It is occurring as we speak. The articles being posted are a part of that awakening. 7/7 served to remove the mask from the demon's face.

18 posted on 07/28/2005 1:10:08 PM PDT by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: CHARLITE

CHARLITE...thanks for this post....it should be shouted from the mountain tops....and certainly from the MSM...that this is the true nature of Islam....always has been...always will be.


19 posted on 07/28/2005 1:12:20 PM PDT by all4one (All Muslims can be considered "moderate", until they decide to kill as many infidels as possible)
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To: CHARLITE
Charlite, I use to think one more attack (it shouldn't even take that) and the USA would use Shock and AWE like no one has ever seen!

After hearing the reaction to one brave, honest (non PC) politician, Tom Tancredo, and how he has been vilified for daring to suggest that we THREATEN our enemy AFTER they have nuked a few of OUR cities, I have lost all faith that our "leaders" will protect this Country.They are slaves to Political Correctness and have sold their souls (and our Freedom) for power.

We must fight to keep our 2nd Amendment rights at all costs. We may have to fight this evil cult, that is now within our own cities, ourselves!

20 posted on 07/28/2005 1:22:10 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: houeto

Another fallacy that needs to be combatted is the Allah = God = Yahweh malarky that has been shoved down our throat.

Yahweh was originally a sun god in the Phoenician pantheon, but evolved into the monotheism that we know today as Judeo-Christianity once people realized there was only one God.

Sin was the god of the moon in the same pantheon, as well as in the Babylonian pantheon. Sin was regularly worshipped with the words 'Allah Akbar'...sound familiar? Why are those that worship idols called 'Sinners' in the Bible? Why was Sin's religious symbol the Crescent Moon? Why did Mohammed say to folks when converting them to Allah that they were 'worshipping the God you already know'?

Yahweh and Sin's followers were mortal enemies then, and they are mortal enemies now. As things evolved, with Christianity, Yahweh became God and Sin became Satan...

...or in the case of Islam, Yahweh became Shaitan (modernized to become Satan in order to confuse Judeo-Christians), and Sin became Allah.

All of these lies by the followers of Allah are ordered by the Koran. Lies to unbelievers are to be used to deceive them. It is time to discover the truth, and to ally with those other religions marked for death by the Mullahs of terror to eliminate them once and for all. (Hindus, Jews, Christians, and Atheists alike are all marked for death by Islamic decrees of one form or another)


21 posted on 07/28/2005 1:26:44 PM PDT by Lightfinger (Those that are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it.)
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To: CHARLITE

Let's be fair. Islam means submission in the sense of submission to God.


22 posted on 07/28/2005 1:33:32 PM PDT by bagman (We're all Britons now!)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

Thanks. Lots more could be added to that.


23 posted on 07/28/2005 1:36:44 PM PDT by Sam's Army
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To: Sam's Army

Thought you would like it.


24 posted on 07/28/2005 1:37:38 PM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Lightfinger
Lies to unbelievers are to be used to deceive them.

Taqiyyah.

25 posted on 07/28/2005 1:39:32 PM PDT by houeto ("Mr. President , close our borders now!")
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To: bagman
Let's be fair. Islam means submission in the sense of submission to God.

Submission to Allah, you mean. And if you resist, Allah's little helpers have ways of helping you to submit. They are commanded to do so by the Qu'ran.

26 posted on 07/28/2005 1:42:05 PM PDT by JCEccles
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To: CHARLITE
I wonder if American islamists have a full comprehension of the history

Evidently, either history isn't being taught any longer or they don't cover these particular events (or the muzzies have just plumb forgot). Perhaps it would be effective for a conservative group to pull together some various documentary footage of, say, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Tokyo and/or Hiroshima, and distribute it amongst the muzzies.

It could also include some of the various academic works that critiqued Shinto during/after WWII (demonstrating that even with the 1st, religion is not above reproach). And while we're at it, cover the 300 years of Anglo-Indian wars, including their displacement into reservations, and throw in the internment of Japanese during WWII.

27 posted on 07/28/2005 1:49:29 PM PDT by lemura
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To: MD_Willington_1976

Hell man there are more guns and hunters in PA than there are in Bama.


28 posted on 07/28/2005 1:50:42 PM PDT by JOHANNES801
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To: CHARLITE
I  insane
S  sadistic
L  lying
A  abhorrent
M  murderers

29 posted on 07/28/2005 2:07:35 PM PDT by fish hawk (hollow points were made to hold pig lard)
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To: jan in Colorado
" We may have to fight this evil cult, that is now within our own cities, ourselves!"

If the leadership doesn't conduct an impressive, substantial, meaningful "shock and awe" directed at the appropriate targets now harboring and funding global terror, you might be right......but these maniacs are going to run into one FEROCIOUS BUZZ SAW NAMED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE !

Thanks for your reply, Jan, and for everyone else's, too, on this thread.

Sincerely,

Char :(

30 posted on 07/28/2005 2:21:40 PM PDT by CHARLITE (I propose a co-Clinton team as permanent reps to Pyonyang, w/out possibility of repatriation....)
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To: JOHANNES801

I sort of meant farther North than that...lol...ie Canuckistan...my former country of residence...

Weird part is..there are more guns/family in Canada than in the US...I have 3 of them at my uncles place back there, several friends have a half dozen each...


31 posted on 07/28/2005 2:34:43 PM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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To: CHARLITE

Yes Char,

Just like with the borders, this problem may need to be taken care of by the "PEOPLE."

Thanks for all your great posts!


32 posted on 07/28/2005 2:48:45 PM PDT by jan in Colorado ("My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6)
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To: Convert from ECUSA

Thanks for the Ping.

"Or, is it that the USA is a “safe target”

When the US and the West stop being "safe targets" maybe Muslims will direct their anger where it belongs -- on their own repressive Muslim regimes.


33 posted on 07/28/2005 3:50:13 PM PDT by dervish
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To: CHARLITE

Yessir "Submission" is the name of the game on the Arab street. Along with hypocrisy ( by the boat-load) and misogyny.

"Hatred of women: “Every organized patriarchal religion works overtime to contribute its own brand of misogyny” (Robin Morgan).

34 posted on 07/29/2005 5:07:53 AM PDT by Critical Bill ("Iraq is fighting for all the Arabs. Where are the Arab armies?" ... George Galloway MP)
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To: CHARLITE
Having moved to London with her parents when she was 7 years of age, Ms. Eltahawy wrote that “the London bombings did it for me” and that she has reached the end of her patience with the terrorists’ excuses that US President Bush and/or British PM Tony Blair ‘made them do it’. Also, Eltahawy correctly advises that Islam does not mean peace. Rather, it means submission.
And if it refers at all to peace, it refers to the peace of the grave.

35 posted on 07/29/2005 8:54:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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