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FINAL ROLL CALL on S397 and ALL AMENDMENTS - Ban on junk lawsuits against firearm manufacturers
THOMAS ^ | 7-28-05 | Thomas

Posted on 07/29/2005 4:37:37 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan

First off, there is one typo on the THOMAS SITE. The Kennedy Amendment was NOT agreed to like it said there. It failed 2-1.

FINAL VOTE

YEAs ---65
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

NAYs - 31
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 4
Feinstein (D-CA) Roberts (R-KS) Smith (R-OR) Sununu (R-NH)

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REED AMENDMENT 1642 (Substitute entire bill) - DEFEATED

YEAs ---33
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---63
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 4
Feinstein (D-CA) Roberts (R-KS) Smith (R-OR) Sununu (R-NH)

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KENNEDY AMENDMENT 1615 - Bans "cop killer bullets" like the .30-30 - DEFEATED

YEAs ---31
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Rockefeller (D-WV) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---64
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bingaman (D-NM) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) DeWine (R-OH) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 5
Cornyn (R-TX) Feinstein (D-CA) Roberts (R-KS) Smith (R-OR) Sununu (R-NH)

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CRAIG AMENDMENT 1645 - Increase penalties for Armor piercing ammo(current definition, not Kennedy's), study on AP ammo.

YEAs ---87
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bennett (R-UT) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Chambliss (R-GA) Clinton (D-NY) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) Dayton (D-MN) DeMint (R-SC) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Feinstein (D-CA) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Inouye (D-HI) Isakson (R-GA) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Leahy (D-VT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Mikulski (D-MD) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Schumer (D-NY) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---11
Akaka (D-HI) Boxer (D-CA) Corzine (D-NJ) Feingold (D-WI) Kennedy (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Roberts (R-KS) Sununu (R-NH)

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LAUTENBERG AMENDMENT - Expempt lawsuits ban from injuries to Children

YEAs ---35
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---64
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

Not Voting - 1
Sununu (R-NH)

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CRAIG AMENDMENT - Allows securing compensation from those who participate in arming criminals.

YEAs ---72
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Bennett (R-UT) Bingaman (D-NM) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Stevens (R-AK) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---26
Akaka (D-HI) Boxer (D-CA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Mikulski (D-MD) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Biden (D-DE) Sununu (R-NH)

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MOTION TO TABLE (KILL) LEVIN AMENDMENT - To clarify the prohibition on certain civil liability actions.

YEAs ---62
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH)

NAYs ---37
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lugar (R-IN) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 1
Domenici (R-NM)

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KOHL AMENDMENT - Require Trigger locks sold with guns.

YEAs ---70
Akaka (D-HI) Baucus (D-MT) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Brownback (R-KS) Byrd (D-WV) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Chafee (R-RI) Clinton (D-NY) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Hutchison (R-TX) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Johnson (D-SD) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Kohl (D-WI) Landrieu (D-LA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Lincoln (D-AR) Lugar (R-IN) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Mikulski (D-MD) Murkowski (R-AK) Murray (D-WA) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Obama (D-IL) Pryor (D-AR) Reed (D-RI) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Rockefeller (D-WV) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stabenow (D-MI) Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA) Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---30
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Cornyn (R-TX) Craig (R-ID) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Hatch (R-UT) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Kyl (R-AZ) Lott (R-MS) Martinez (R-FL) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA)

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Cloture Vote on S397

YEAs ---66
Alexander (R-TN) Allard (R-CO) Allen (R-VA) Baucus (D-MT) Bennett (R-UT) Bond (R-MO) Brownback (R-KS) Bunning (R-KY) Burns (R-MT) Burr (R-NC) Byrd (D-WV) Chafee (R-RI) Chambliss (R-GA) Coburn (R-OK) Cochran (R-MS) Coleman (R-MN) Collins (R-ME) Conrad (D-ND) Cornyn (R-TX) Crapo (R-ID) DeMint (R-SC) Dole (R-NC) Domenici (R-NM) Dorgan (D-ND) Ensign (R-NV) Enzi (R-WY) Frist (R-TN) Graham (R-SC) Grassley (R-IA) Gregg (R-NH) Hagel (R-NE) Hatch (R-UT) Hutchison (R-TX) Inhofe (R-OK) Isakson (R-GA) Johnson (D-SD) Kohl (D-WI) Kyl (R-AZ) Landrieu (D-LA) Lincoln (D-AR) Lott (R-MS) Lugar (R-IN) Martinez (R-FL) McCain (R-AZ) McConnell (R-KY) Murkowski (R-AK) Nelson (D-FL) Nelson (D-NE) Pryor (D-AR) Reid (D-NV) Roberts (R-KS) Salazar (D-CO) Santorum (R-PA) Sessions (R-AL) Shelby (R-AL) Smith (R-OR) Snowe (R-ME) Specter (R-PA) Stevens (R-AK) Sununu (R-NH) Talent (R-MO) Thomas (R-WY) Thune (R-SD) Vitter (R-LA) Voinovich (R-OH) Warner (R-VA)

NAYs ---32
Akaka (D-HI) Bayh (D-IN) Biden (D-DE) Bingaman (D-NM) Boxer (D-CA) Cantwell (D-WA) Carper (D-DE) Clinton (D-NY) Corzine (D-NJ) Dayton (D-MN) DeWine (R-OH) Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL) Feingold (D-WI) Feinstein (D-CA) Harkin (D-IA) Inouye (D-HI) Jeffords (I-VT) Kennedy (D-MA) Kerry (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ) Leahy (D-VT) Levin (D-MI) Lieberman (D-CT) Mikulski (D-MD) Murray (D-WA) Obama (D-IL) Reed (D-RI) Sarbanes (D-MD) Schumer (D-NY) Stabenow (D-MI) Wyden (D-OR)

Not Voting - 2
Craig (R-ID) Rockefeller (D-WV)


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To: epow
I would like to know what is in those amendments that were agreed to, especially the Craig amendment about collecting compensation for providing criminals with guns

Unfortunatly, I don't know what's in the Craig amendments, and that's what irks the hell outta me. The Kohl Amendment on trigger locks I linked to, and the bill itself is availible in Thomas (S 397) outside of the Craig Amendments. There's no text to them.

If I don't see them by morning, I'll call his office either from home or on my morning commute and ask them for the text of the amendments.

I'm not sure the House has passed their bill this year or not(LAST year they did). I expect them to pass a duplicate version of the Senate bill that passed as they are more pro-2a than the Sinate, I mean Senate.

I expect the 2 Craig Amendments to be mostly do nothing amendments, so I'm not too worried about them. He IS from Idaho which has about as high of tolerance for gun grabbing as the 'militia' sections of my state.

41 posted on 07/29/2005 10:12:40 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Hat-Trick
I think Ben's in the wrong party. I could vote for him if he wouldn't vote for Daschle for majority leader.

He's much better than Bob Kerrey, that's for sure.

42 posted on 07/29/2005 10:13:46 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I had to sign a form saying that I had a trigger lock when I bought my gun. I don't remember if I really had one or not......;)

Quick, run over to a Walmart and pick one up before some anti reads that and calls in BATF on you. IIRC you can get one for less than 3 bucks at Wally's place.

BTW Dan, terrific job you did today, my hat is off to you sir.

Now get yourself a cup of strong black coffee and sober up, the real celebration starts when GW signs the bill. -:)

43 posted on 07/29/2005 10:13:56 PM PDT by epow (Don't complain that thorns grow on rose bushes, thank God that roses grow on thorn bushes..)
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To: G32

I'm pretty sure private sales are NOT included on S397. Not from what I read anyhow. :)


44 posted on 07/29/2005 10:15:09 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: calex59

Trigger locks is an example of "feels good" legislation. People, like you, will be given them when they buy a gun and go home and toss them in a box, or toss them out.

Still, maybe some will actually use them. That's not such a bad thing. :)


45 posted on 07/29/2005 10:17:05 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I expect the 2 Craig Amendments to be mostly do nothing amendments, so I'm not too worried about them. He IS from Idaho which has about as high of tolerance for gun grabbing as the 'militia' sections of my state.

I'm with you on Craig's bona fides. He has been one of our staunchest allies in the D.C. so far, so I seriously doubt he has dropped the ball on this amendment.

Thanks again for your work today. I started another thread this morning urging calls to the Senate in support of the bill but your thread got most of the attention, which is fine with me now that it has turned out OK.

46 posted on 07/29/2005 10:22:37 PM PDT by epow (Don't complain that thorns grow on rose bushes, thank God that roses grow on thorn bushes..)
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To: epow
This just came in by email:

NRA-ILA Grassroots Alert Vol. 12, No. 30 7/29/05

S. 397 PASSES U.S. SENATE!!!

Thanks to your efforts, today, the U.S. Senate passed S. 397 by a strong bipartisan vote of 65-31! While this doesn't assure the bill will be enacted into law, it represents a MAJOR first step toward ending the anti-gun lobby's reign of extortion through reckless lawsuits against the firearm industry. The fight now moves to the U.S. House of Representatives, so it is critical that you once again contact your U.S. Representative and urge him/her to pass S. 397--"The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act."

As reported yesterday, an amendment by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-Wisc.) passed, which requires federally licensed dealers to provide a "secure gun storage or safety device" with the sale/transfer of every handgun (does not apply to long guns). It does not require gun owners to use the device, does not apply to private transfers, and does not create any new civil liability for gun owners who choose not to use these storage devices. Virtually all new handguns today are sold with some type of secure storage or safety device. The amendment has no significant impact on current law or S. 397 itself.

The U.S. Senate rejected a slew of anti-gun amendments to S. 397 including:

Special "carve out" amendments by Sens. Corzine (D-N.J.) and Lautenberg (D-N.J.) that would have permitted reckless lawsuits by law enforcement and juveniles to continue unabated. Both were soundly defeated;

A ban on "armor piercing" ammunition (Kennedy-D-Mass.) (by a vote of 31-64) that would have banned virtually all hunting ammunition. Similar efforts have been continuously defeated by Congress, and Sen. Kennedy's most recent attempt was nothing more than anti-gun political posturing. (The Senate did adopt an amendment by Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) calling for increased penalties if "armor piercing" handgun ammunition is used in the commission of a crime.), and;

A "gutting" amendment by Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) that sought to continue to allow the very types of suits S. 397 prohibits (by a vote of 33-63).

This long overdue victory marks the culmination of your tireless efforts--your phone calls, faxes, letters, e-mails, and personal meetings--over the past few days, and over the past many years. As critical as these efforts were, this victory also highlights your importance in volunteering and voting for pro-gun candidates running for office. Without your steadfast work in past election years to elect more pro-gun U.S. Senators, we simply would not have had enough votes to pass this bill in the Senate.

Defeating former Minority Leader Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) in the 2004 elections (Daschle, as you'll recall was the architect who last year allowed the bill to be loaded up with anti-gun amendments), and thus elevating Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), a consistent and longstanding supporter of S. 397, to that leadership position represented a major step toward guaranteeing we finally received a fair procedure to bring this measure up for a final vote, and carried out the will of a majority of the U.S. Senate. And of course, members should express their gratitude to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), Senator Minority Leader Harry Reid, and bill sponsors Sens. Larry Craig and Max Baucus (D-Mont.) for their leadership and stewardship on S. 397.

While this fight is far from over, the Senate's action today enabled us to overcome a major hurdle in enacting this legislation into law. All of us at NRA-ILA thank you from the bottoms of our hearts for your continued vigilance in seeing this bill through the U.S. Senate. You deserve a lion's share of the credit, and we know you will help us finish the job once and for all by now contacting your U.S. Representative and urging him/her to support "The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act."

(For a list of roll call votes on these amendments and final passage of S. 397, go to www.NRAILA.org. Take note of how your Senators voted, and please thank those who voted in support of gun owners and let those who voted against our rights know that you will keep their votes in mind when they are up for re-election. BE SURE TO ALSO ATTEND ANY OF YOUR U.S. REPRESENTATIVE'S TOWN HALL MEETINGS DURING THE "SUMMER DISTRICT WORK PERIOD" [Aug. 1-Sept. 5] and encourage him/her to bring up and pass S. 397 as soon as possible.)

47 posted on 07/29/2005 10:27:34 PM PDT by epow (Don't complain that thorns grow on rose bushes, thank God that roses grow on thorn bushes..)
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To: epow
Quick, run over to a Walmart and pick one up before some anti reads that and calls in BATF on you.

I can't drive right now!!!!!!(that was state law BTW, not BATF) - and I avoid Chimart, I mean Walmart like the plague anyway. :)

I believe the House still needs to pass it(they passed one LAST year - straight up without the BS too). I'm not too worried about them - and I actually have representation there unlike the Senate.

48 posted on 07/29/2005 10:29:36 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Chena

Trigger locks are bad if the gun's already loaded.....obvious reasons.


49 posted on 07/29/2005 10:30:23 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Member - NRA, SAF, MGO, SAFR)
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To: Dan from Michigan

I have not been able to find the test of amendment 1645. Can anyone help me out? I couldn't find it on Thomas.


50 posted on 07/29/2005 10:40:09 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: TC Rider

But that new Rightist, SHrillery, seems to have voted anti-gun every chance.


51 posted on 07/29/2005 10:40:43 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

"Trigger locks are bad if the gun's already loaded.....obvious reasons."

I did make an assumption that people who know how to handle guns would be able to figure out when and how to use the trigger locks. Me bad... Even I, a mere woman (har har) is pretty sure I can deal with trigger locks. :)


52 posted on 07/29/2005 10:55:54 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: labette

"I know a lot of us feel we "won" today, even though trigger locks have now been imposed on manufactures. I suppose next they will have to be permanently affixed or some other useless B.S."

LOL! I can't think of one thing that can be "permanently affixed", with the exception of my fingers to this darn FR website. :)


53 posted on 07/29/2005 10:57:37 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: coloradan

Perhaps the gun manufacturer will absorb the cost of the trigger locks. If not, they only cost anywhere from $5 to $10. Must be fun shooting a trigger lock though. I prefer larger game, like moose. LOL ;)


54 posted on 07/29/2005 11:03:49 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Imagine that!


55 posted on 07/30/2005 6:26:39 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Dan from Michigan
CRAIG AMENDMENT 1645 - Increase penalties for Armor piercing ammo(current definition, not Kennedy's), study on AP ammo.

Uh-oh....Watch out for this. Anytime the Congress orders a study be done, the results almost always lead to legislation proposals, even if the study findings go against the idea of legislation.

56 posted on 07/30/2005 7:51:30 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Joe Brower; Dan from Michigan

Thanx guys! Again we move forward? with compromises.


57 posted on 07/31/2005 2:01:00 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian ( You anti-American socialists can stop calling yourselves Democrats now. ><BCC>NRA)
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To: Blue Collar Christian
"Again we move forward?

It would seem so. We got this much out of our electioneering efforts from last November, it seems.

58 posted on 07/31/2005 5:40:48 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Dan from Michigan
I hate to say this but I I TOLD YOU SO!
59 posted on 08/04/2005 9:46:32 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier
This bill just seems to good to be true. I think they are going to use this to ban some more firearms or ammunition with it.

Congress, the Supreme Court and the executive branch are set on destroying our liberties.

60 posted on 08/04/2005 2:20:58 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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