Skip to comments.Humans to Blame for Ice Age Extinctions, Study Says
Posted on 08/11/2005 11:02:22 AM PDT by ZULU
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No, sorry. Try reading for comprehension next time.
It is logical when you understand it.
When you don't, though, it's easier to just to ridicule things to cover your discomfort over your inability to grasp the material.
What is not a theory is that scientists have too much time on their hands coming up with more and more theories. Until they present facts their theories belong in comic books.
What also isn't in question is that you obviously have no real idea how science works, or why scientists propose as many plausible hypotheses as they can think of, and then continue to perform validation/falsification tests on them as long as it takes for the results to clearly indicate which explanation is the correct one (or closest to the correct one, anyway).
My high school had 2000 students. To think that at one point, there were 5 of my high schools throughout the world is just incomprehensible.
Yes, it is amazing how effective the scientific method is at separating valid ideas from horse manure.
They make pronouncements on theories they pull out of their @sses and call it good science,
No they don't. You might want to refrain from trying to critique a field you don't know enough about to properly review.
but let someone suggest that there could be a higher power involved in creating the universe and they insist that is 'not scientific'
The "suggestion" is indeed not scientific, and neither is any other "suggestion" of any other sort on any other topic. If you ever get to the point where you have a testable *theory* on that subject (*and* know what actually constitutes a theory in the scientific sense and what features your proposal will have to have to qualify), do feel free to get back to us.
and thus not worth teaching against their other holy theory of 'evolution'.
Not in science class, anyway. Go right ahead and propose Odin or Shiva or whoever in a class on religion or sociology or history if you wish.
I guess 'good science' is whatever they pronounce it to be.
I guess you don't have a clue about this subject, but you keep talking anyway. "Good science" is that which follows proper scientific procedure and validation methods. If you choose to just "propose" something instead but not go through the hard work necessary to demonstrate the validity of your proposal via the proper methods, then you shouldn't complain when your proposal doesn't qualify as science, or appropriate for teaching in science class.
"...why scientists propose as many plausible hypotheses as they can think of, and then continue to perform validation/falsification tests on them as long as it takes for the results to clearly indicate which explanation is the correct one (or closest to the correct one, anyway)."
Even you admit they are guessing!!!
The problem with the scientific community today is many have politicized the process of validation of their ideas. They present some of the most convoluted/ridiculous theories as FACT instead of the educated guesses they truly are (I use the term educated loosely here). I have nothing against the scientific method properly and honestly applied to test hypotheses and I do believe there are many researchers who are honest, but there are many who are only reporting/validating the person paying them to do their research.
OTH, YOU respond with personal attacks against those here who have contempt for these would be Einsteins. Pehaps your feelings are hurt by the low opinion some of us hold for these scientific parasites spewing their garbage. My comments were and are not meant personally to you, only to the subject at hand. You have absolutely no idea as to the level of my education and/or experience. The fact I criticize the scientific community does not make me any less intelligent than you sir/madam.
"It's mainly people starting with a conclusion, and looking for evidence to support it, and trying to ignore or minimize evidence that contradicts it.
In the end there's nothing useful to learn from their theory, other than that they have an agenda."
Admit it. It is all personal opinion.
And how many years and federal dollars did it take for this enlightening research. Am I,as a taxpayer,getting my monies worth? duh!
Animals will one day sue humans.
You wouldn't happen to know this guy?
Please don't ask me to explain anything about this strip, such as how the shark and turtle are talking, how the shark is holding the spear gun, where he got the spear gun, etc. Just know that I saw this on the web site for the strip (www.slagoon.com) and knew that I was hooked.
Sorry. Not even a sloth bone.
Now if we could just be responsible for the extinction of liberals we'd be gettin somewhere....
Oh, please ... just, frickin' please.
Sorry. Begging will get you nowhere.
No sloth or Mammoth for you today!
Obviously they would have preferred the humans to starve instead.
Must be a great feeling, going through life filled with such self-loathing for fulfilling Holy Darwin's Sacred Dictate:
"The fittest shalt survivest; yea, he shalt extinctify the unfit competitor."
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The footprint was headed towards the Rio Grande.
Well yeah, I'd be heading for the water too if I just stepped in some lava! LOL
So you're saying science is just one "shot in the dark" after another, or put another way, "A bunch of wild-ass guesses" (SWAG)?
"Science" today has been prostituted by the left to be just another hammer to force their warped view of the world on the rest of us politically. Just as one doesn't need to be a meteorologist to know when it's going to rain, you don't need to be a "scientist" to smell the BS.
You left out "peer review". They produce theories that their "peers" agree with. It is not only their opinion it is the opinion of elitists that that won't see the light of day unless it has their stamp of approval on it. It's called "The scientific establishment" and to get along you better toe the line of the elitists. To suggest that I don't see the big picture is pure bunk. I spent three hours in a public meeting last night listening to environmentalist poppycock. I know what the big picture looks like and it leaves out a whole bunch of people that have common sense.
Common sense will win a war over scientific evaluation. Matter of fact, the war would be long over before the scientific solution were agreed upon by the elitists.
As any good hunter knows, buffalo jerky can be found at your nearest gun show...
A good deal of the central plains was actually woodland at the time.. At least that south of the glacial lakes..
When the glacial dams ( I think they were called Morains ) broke under the pressure, great floods swept south destroying much of those woodlands..
They weren't that heavy, but much more forested than the plains of today..
Those woodlands provided cover for predators, allowing them to close in on their prey before a quick, rushing attack to dispatch the prey..
Additionally the glacial lakes would have been fairly heavily forested along the shorelines..
In fact, as the glacial melt began, water levels would have risen right into the surrounding forestlands..
Big Cats especially, do a great deal of their hunting along the shores and banks of "watering holes"..
That is where the meat is..
Big predators need big protein..
Open plains mean plenty of running room for buffalo, antelope, etc..
Running down prey on an open plain requires even more protein..
Somewhere along the line, you find a point of no return, benefit less than effort required..
End result: Starvation..
I think you are essentially correct, but the actual emergence of wide open plains actually occurred at the end of the Ice age as well as all those other factors..
Climate change, (warming) glacial melt causing flooding, ( Mega Flash Floods ) The sudden loss of possibly thousands of small lakes and of course, the big glacial lakes, the loss of grazing land scoured by the floods, probably the deaths of millions of herbivores as well as thousands of carnivores..
All these factors would have contributed to the loss of not only mega fauna but taken a major chunk out of any other animal or human inhabitants throughout the Midwest, upper midwest, the northwest, large chunks of mid-southern Canada, etc...( Not positive about the eastern continent, but I seem to recall much of the same flooding, etc. took place there as well..
The arrival of a large number of new human inhabitants would have eventually contributed as well, ( I believe there were other, earlier, smaller groups scattered about along the east and gulf coast, as well as central and south american coast ) but I believe much of the "damage" was natural..
As others have pointed out, I don't think there were enough humans here at that point to have had that much effect on ALL of the Mega Fauna of America..
Just doesn't make sense..
Thanks for the tip! I'll take my boys with me...it should be a lot of fun.
No comment other than the fact that the grants that paid for this study were a waste of cash.
"And they were 100% wrong."
I must have missed their retraction. So, that whole thing turned out to be bogus?
well, there ya have it. We global freeze, we global warm...seem evolution has really done a poor job by allowing us to proliferate so much.
That's okay. We still have cows.
I think the main hole in their theory is that there is irrefutable proof that the Clovis First Theory is dead.
Unless they can come up with something better than a Clovis point as an indication of a new factor around 11,000 years ago, this theory holds no water - not even ice.
Why did man live here for over 30,000 years without eating into extinction all the ice age megafauna, and then all of a sudden, 11,000 years ago wipe them out??
Some cultural change?? New "invaders"?
Lots more than guns at Gun Shows..
Found a great refractor telescope there, cheap.. also binoculars.. In the late summer and fall, there are all sorts of hunting jackets, other gear, tons of knives, and kitchen-dining room cutlery, tools of all sorts, ( magnifiers, tweezers, "extra hands", vices, grinders ) exotic woods ( pick your project, not just for knife handles ) and other oddball stuff..
And of course, there are guns, but often you will find historical exhibits as well..
Civil War weapons, complete with photos of the military units that used them..
Historical western gear, used by cowboys, sherriffs, outlaws, you name it.. again, often accompanied by photos, sherrriff's badges, other documents..
There can also be WW1, WW2 memorabilia, from all the military branches, and tons of books recounting various military operations from Sicily to Iwo Jima..
Throughout, you will find Men and Women that are dedicated to America, Patriotism, and the 2nd amendment..
A good message and example for young men..
Have a good time..
It's Bush's fault. He should be forced apologize and explain why this had to happen.
Just one small problem, though. Humans were on the North American Continent long before the Clovis types which are generally dated ca 12,000 years ago. Seems they would have gnawed the last of the big critters before Clovis or Folsum cultures got their spears sharpened...
Ordinary climate change and diminishing habitat got the megafauna, and climate has been changing and will continue to change regardless of humans actions short of full tilt nuclear war. I really doubt we have that much global influence.
Most of this crap was started as a Communist Bloc effort (their seed money plus a lot of useful idiots) to shut down West Bloc industry during the Cold War.
Nasty little pygmies eating thunder lizard omlettes.....
Not until the horse (nasty white guy innovation) did the hunt become more efficient, just because they could take individual animals instead of killing them wholesale.
Maybe 11,000 years ago they invented the chilli cook-off?
those cavemen drove SUVs ?
.......Solid evidence that Europeans arrived in America long before Columbus.
HE was killing all those creatures and burying them in shale so he could reap oil profits 11,000 years later!
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Survival of the fittest. Get over it.
The server www.phil.fak.uni-duesseldor.de:80 introduction module I requires a username and password
It gives me a login screen. Weird.
Read my #145, do you get the same thing when you open this thread?
I got some kind of popup on page one, I believe it has to do with one of the posted graphics.