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Humans to Blame for Ice Age Extinctions, Study Says
National Geographic ^ | August 10, 2005 | Hillery Mayell

Posted on 08/11/2005 11:02:22 AM PDT by ZULU

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To: Publius6961
Remember when they "proved" that we were all descended from one African female? Cornrows and all? I'm sure they's rather not talk about it.

I don't see why not. It's not even controversial. It's a simple mathematical fact that at some point in the not-too-distant past we are all descended matrilineally from a single person.

51 posted on 08/11/2005 11:38:31 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Proudly neocon since 1982!)
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To: ZULU
This timing has made it difficult for scientists to isolate the cause of the species' disappearance.

Perhaps prehistoric humans took their drinks "on the rocks" and depleted the planet of it's ice reserves?

52 posted on 08/11/2005 11:38:43 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: ZULU
poppycock




Doogle
53 posted on 08/11/2005 11:41:10 AM PDT by Doogle (8th AF...4077thTFW....408MMS....Ubon Thailand "69"..Night Line Delivery ..AMMO)
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To: jpl

No, Peta would have killed them off and stuffed them in dumpters


54 posted on 08/11/2005 11:44:48 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: leoncaruthers
Is it wrong that the most upsetting part of this whole thing (to me) is that I'll never get to know what giant sloth or wooly mammoth taste like with Stubbs BBQ sauce?


Giant Sloth taste like chicken>

55 posted on 08/11/2005 11:45:30 AM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: ZULU

PETA = People Eating Tasty Animals


56 posted on 08/11/2005 11:46:00 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: ZULU

It was the SUVs!


57 posted on 08/11/2005 11:49:32 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Night Hides Not

she was of child bearing age, which is why cave men were so darned UGLY.


58 posted on 08/11/2005 11:50:27 AM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: gate2wire

Bush lied, sloths died.


59 posted on 08/11/2005 11:51:30 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: ZULU

It's the "Native-Americans" fault! You know, the ones who everybody says were sensivtive to the environment. What is PETA doing to condemn them?


60 posted on 08/11/2005 11:52:24 AM PDT by Humvee
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To: ZULU
Well to tell you the truth, if I was alive at that time I would have been getting all the men in the tribe together to figure out the best way to exterminate animals like the short faced bear, a bear who makes the grizzly look like a teddy bear, the sabre tooth and other predators that must have made life for humans just peachy.

If humans did kill them off they had good reason too and if the idiots that abound today can't see that they also would have been either throwing spears or being eaten then they are even dumber than they act!

I doubt that humans had much to do with killing off the big predators, however, as the american indians had a hard time with grizzlies let alone the huge meat gulping critters of the ice age.

The fact is, after the ice the water of the plains eventurally went away, as rain fall wasn't that great, the prey annimals died and then the big predators died from lack of food. This is known to many people but apparently facts don't stand in the way of a good story blaming humans for everything. Pretty soon we will have somehow made the dinos die off.

61 posted on 08/11/2005 11:54:32 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: Boundless

"So, not just any "humans", but Native Americans"

I'll second this one.

Chalk this one up to the "No Duh" category of anthropology.
Humans have a major impact on their environments, and always have.


62 posted on 08/11/2005 12:06:36 PM PDT by Wiseghy
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To: TOWER
It was the SUV's y'all drove.


63 posted on 08/11/2005 12:09:14 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: BallyBill
"I blame Atook Bush the cave dweller.

Who, us????

64 posted on 08/11/2005 12:11:36 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, Class of '68)
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To: ZULU

This is all Bushfault!


65 posted on 08/11/2005 12:12:20 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Humvee
It's the "Native-Americans" fault! You know, the ones who everybody says were sensivtive to the environment. What is PETA doing to condemn them?

Amen. Reparations! Reparations!

66 posted on 08/11/2005 12:14:53 PM PDT by Chinito (6990th Security Group, RC-135/Combat Apple, Class of '68)
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To: taxesareforever

Amazing what they accept as good 'science'. They make pronouncements on theories they pull out of their @sses and call it good science, but let someone suggest that there could be a higher power involved in creating the universe and they insist that is 'not scientific' and thus not worth teaching against their other holy theory of 'evolution'. I guess 'good science' is whatever they pronounce it to be.


67 posted on 08/11/2005 12:16:53 PM PDT by antceecee
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To: Chinito
I really liked they way the Lakota tricked all those buffalo into running off the cliffs. I'm sure that one hunt provided meat and hides for several months, at least.

Now I can't find buffalo jerky anywhere. Accordingly, reparations are in order.

68 posted on 08/11/2005 12:21:24 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The only NOC list containing the name of Valerie Plame was stolen by Ethan Hunt.)
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To: absolootezer0
she was of child bearing age, which is why cave men were so darned UGLY.

Would it also explain why their favorite position was doggy style?

I must remind myself to not visualize Helen Thomas of any age so soon after ingesting food.

69 posted on 08/11/2005 12:23:54 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (The only NOC list containing the name of Valerie Plame was stolen by Ethan Hunt.)
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To: BallyBill
I blame Atook Bush the cave dweller.

LOL!!!


70 posted on 08/11/2005 12:24:22 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: ZULU

Danged SUV's!


71 posted on 08/11/2005 12:25:01 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The government and courts are stealing your freedom & liberty!)
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To: ZULU
It may not be too long before we have megafauna such as Mammoths back again.

Frozen mammoth unveiled

A frozen mammoth dug up from the Siberian tundra was unveiled in central Japan in a preview of the six-month World Exposition that is expected to draw millions of tourists.

The beast, believed to have lived 18,000 years ago and preserved in a giant refrigerator, is a key exhibit of the Expo, which will open to the public one week later and will largely feature more modern wonders such as robots. Full-bodied mammoths have been found in the ground in the past, but the exhibit at the World Expo is billed as the most successful attempt yet to excavate and display almost the full animal.

The extinct mammoth on display has a nearly intact soil-coloured head covered with muscle tissue and some woolly hair, along with tusks and a front leg. “This is not a mere pavilion, but a laboratory as we will do scientific research here,” Toshio Nakamura, secretary-general of the exposition, told the opening ceremony of the “Mammoth Lab.” “This mammoth has been really well preserved,” Nakamura said, adding that the head has already been monitored through computerised technology. “We would like as many people as possible to take a look at this mammoth and think about the past and the future of human beings.” A group of Russian and Japanese scientists are also hoping to clone mammoths from remains of the animal by using elephant eggs.

Visitors can view the mammoth, which was excavated in 2002, from windows at the lab, where the temperature and humidity are controlled by computers. afp

72 posted on 08/11/2005 12:25:14 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: ZULU

Hold on there. The Indians caused mass exstinction? Now explain the NCAA silly ruling on Indian names, hmmmm?


73 posted on 08/11/2005 12:25:46 PM PDT by playball0
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To: ZULU

Basically, there's no real evidence to support their theory, it's merely a theory.

The evidence doesn't really conform to their theory, but it doesn't disprove it either.

It's mainly people starting with a conclusion, and looking for evidence to support it, and trying to ignore or minimize evidence that contradicts it.

In the end there's nothing useful to learn from their theory, other than that they have an agenda.


74 posted on 08/11/2005 12:43:46 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: ZULU

Mmmmmmmm. BBQ Sloth! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


75 posted on 08/11/2005 12:47:58 PM PDT by nuke rocketeer
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To: ZULU

ROFL.

These folks need to be institutionalized, IMHO.


76 posted on 08/11/2005 12:50:58 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Jaysun

LOL!


77 posted on 08/11/2005 12:51:08 PM PDT by spinestein (The facts fairly and honestly presented, truth will take care of itself.)
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To: antceecee

Yep. And there is an unbelievable amount of theories that people can take their pick from. I choose to pick truthful intelligent design which is not a theory.


78 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:29 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: ZULU

Guilty!

79 posted on 08/11/2005 12:53:48 PM PDT by kidd
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To: taxesareforever

80 posted on 08/11/2005 12:56:18 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: ZULU
We're supposed to believe humans came to America 11,000 years ago & hunted everything on two continents to extinction in just 500 years? Give me a break. When humans came into Europe 50,000 years ago, they found goats, pigs, cows, horses, and sheep. They couldn't hunt them to extinction in the 45,000 years before they finally began domesticating them.
Humans came into North America 22,000 years ago prior to the beginning of the ice age 20,000ya. All you have to do is look a layer under your Clovis to find them. No doubt the humans were happy to have a few easy meals when the spreading ice sheets pushed the big game to them but it was primarily the change of habitat that did them in.
81 posted on 08/11/2005 12:57:09 PM PDT by shuckmaster
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To: Right Wing Professor
yes, mitochondrial eve was without a mate for many thousands of years waiting for Y-Chromosome Adam to appear. Very logical.

JM
82 posted on 08/11/2005 1:02:34 PM PDT by JohnnyM
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To: JohnnyM
yes, mitochondrial eve was without a mate for many thousands of years waiting for Y-Chromosome Adam to appear. Very logical.

Please read the article again. See the bit that says "ME lived with many other humans (men and women); she was certainly not alone"?

ME and YcA are the matrilineal and patrilineal ancestor of all humans and all men respectively. That does not mean they ever met, or even lived at the same time. After all, your mother and paternal great grandfather may never have met, either.

83 posted on 08/11/2005 1:19:12 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (Proudly neocon since 1982!)
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To: ZULU

Agenda science is bogus.


84 posted on 08/11/2005 1:21:30 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: ZULU

Bull pucky ..... there were NOT enough humans around during the past couple of Ice advances to have such an effect. At one point, there may have been as few as 10000 people world wide.


85 posted on 08/11/2005 1:35:06 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the"and Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Designer

That would be his early ancestor Ugh Bush.


86 posted on 08/11/2005 1:40:15 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Boundless

Or just saying "Burp!!"


87 posted on 08/11/2005 1:55:23 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Doogle

POPPYCOCK!!!????

It takes a lot less effort to kill ONE 2,000 pound sloth, than 2,000 ONE Pound Rabbits!!!


88 posted on 08/11/2005 1:58:44 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: calex59

"Well to tell you the truth, if I was alive at that time I would have been getting all the men in the tribe together to figure out the best way to exterminate animals like the short faced bear, a bear who makes the grizzly look like a teddy bear, the sabre tooth and other predators that must have made life for humans just peachy."

Besides, they tasted great at a barbecue!!


89 posted on 08/11/2005 2:00:04 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Plutarch

Maybe they bring back Ronald Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt - we could use them now.


90 posted on 08/11/2005 2:01:07 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: shuckmaster

Precisley.

They had an article recently about a human footprint found in Mexico that was dated to 40,000 years ago. It was preserved in lava.

The footprint was headed towards the Rio Grande.


91 posted on 08/11/2005 2:02:57 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
It takes a lot less effort to kill ONE 2,000 pound sloth, than 2,000 ONE Pound Rabbits!!!


...and just how sure are you that there weren't any 2000lb
rabbits back then?

Doogle
92 posted on 08/11/2005 2:08:06 PM PDT by Doogle (8th AF...4077thTFW....408MMS....Ubon Thailand "69"..Night Line Delivery ..AMMO)
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To: ZULU
I think I would take this study with a grain of salt (& pepper & barbecue sauce)
It is a well known fact that the Native Americans were "at one with nature" and never ever killed more than they could use. (Disregard that herd of Mammoths they found at the base of cliff in Colorado). it is another well known fact the Europeans and their descendent's are the greatest pillagers of the planet in the history of the planet. So therefore if the prehistoric animals were hunted to extinction, it must have been someone of European ancestry. But wait! the Europeans did not get here until about 1000 years ago. This creates a problem.
Yep it must have been an ice age. An ice age caused by those dastardly northern Europeans and their fire and heating their caves. There it is. The whole durn study proved wrong in just a few sentences.
93 posted on 08/11/2005 2:08:31 PM PDT by Bar-Face
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To: Doogle

Good point.


94 posted on 08/11/2005 2:14:52 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU
The footprint was headed towards the Rio Grande.

The beginning of illegal immigration.

95 posted on 08/11/2005 2:26:41 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Doogle
...and just how sure are you that there weren't any 2000lb rabbits back then?

I don't know about rabbits but I am sure there were 2000 lb moles. We have mountains to prove it.

96 posted on 08/11/2005 2:28:37 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: MEGoody

eenie meenie minee moe,etc.


97 posted on 08/11/2005 2:29:41 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: ZULU
Maybe they bring back Ronald Reagan and Teddy Roosevelt - we could use them now.

No doubt about Ronaldus Maximus. I'd worry about Rooseveltian RINO tendencies, although he would be just the guy to take on the Jihadists.

98 posted on 08/11/2005 2:36:17 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: taxesareforever

I don't know about rabbits but I am sure there were 2000 lb moles. We have mountains to prove it.


....ahh....ah.....errrrr....OK

Doogle


99 posted on 08/11/2005 2:40:00 PM PDT by Doogle (8th AF...4077thTFW....408MMS....Ubon Thailand "69"..Night Line Delivery ..AMMO)
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To: ZULU

Not to mention that the ice age ended in the first place due to global warming caused by human industrialization and fossil fuel burning...]

oh, wait a minute...


100 posted on 08/11/2005 2:58:39 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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