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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: GSHastings
The Koran certainly "coopts" lots of stuff. In fact, it is believed by researchers in the West that it began as a manual for use by Christian missionaries to use in Mecca to bring Arabs to Jesus.

That has nothing whatsoever to do with what we find in Jonah, and in this case it's the Bible that is reflecting a far older story otherwise found only in the most ancient of Hindu texts, and as background for Buddhism.

661 posted on 08/19/2005 1:57:18 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Zechariah11

I have not defamed Christ.

But you are saying that his most severe criticism was for among others, those who would teach evolution and that said teaching undermines the teachings of Christ.

I think that is the crux of the matter and on that score we will have to agree to disagree. And to bar teaching of a scientific theory because it is at odds with Christ's teachings, is just plain wrong.


662 posted on 08/19/2005 2:17:45 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: syriacus

You are assuming that the title of the thread is an organized activity of those who are "evolutionists". I don't think "evolutionists" are the issue. The issue is religious ideas being taught as science


663 posted on 08/19/2005 2:19:39 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: CasearianDaoist

I think your rudeness and tantrum throwing is unequaled. And bullying.


664 posted on 08/19/2005 2:23:02 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: spunkets

I use the Companion Bible, KJV. Appendix 7 explains

"The Revisers ill-advisedly decided that "all such words, now printed in italics, as are plainly implied in the Hebrew, and necessarily in Egnlish be printed in common type.

One of the consequences of this decision is that the verb "to be" is not distinguished from the verb "to become", so that the lessons conveyed by the A.V. "was" and "was" (in italics) in Gen. l:2; 3 and 4; 9 and 10; 11 and 12, are lost.

There is more on the subject in Appendix 48 - The Use of Various Types in the English Bible.


665 posted on 08/19/2005 2:39:57 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: doodlelady

Hey, if religion is prohibited in some activity my tax dollars are paying for, I say get rid of that activity.


666 posted on 08/19/2005 2:40:07 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: cajungirl
Your statement
And how do you know what Jesus thinks of evolution? You got some kind of pipeline?

Well why don't you read his words and then you tell us yourself?
667 posted on 08/19/2005 2:43:55 PM PDT by mordo
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To: cajungirl
You are assuming that the title of the thread is an organized activity of those who are "evolutionists"

The title could be written by anyone who implies that IDers are crackpots.

668 posted on 08/19/2005 2:52:55 PM PDT by syriacus (You are shouting so loudly that I can't "hear" you.)
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To: mordo

Actually if those words are read, I do believe they are two centuries old, long before our current debate.


669 posted on 08/19/2005 3:04:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: syriacus

Could be written by a democrat.


670 posted on 08/19/2005 3:05:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

I guess your very rude reply was the answer...sorry to hear that you think of the Bible as only another book


671 posted on 08/19/2005 3:16:37 PM PDT by apackof2 (In my simple way, I guess you could say I'm living in the BIG TIME)
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To: Dimensio
If so, what kind of consequences would there be following the cessation of consciousness?

I guess you'll find out

672 posted on 08/19/2005 3:17:59 PM PDT by apackof2 (In my simple way, I guess you could say I'm living in the BIG TIME)
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To: BMCDA
Now is the death of these people the father's fault (who could have made some more changes to his son's design) or is it the fault of the son?

The answer is obvious. If the father controlled the kids destiny by construction, the father is at fault. Next.

673 posted on 08/19/2005 3:18:05 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: visually_augmented
Fundamentally, evolution relies on the hypothesis that all life forms (or certainly most life forms) trend to higher complexity.

Did you make that up?

674 posted on 08/19/2005 3:18:54 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: spunkets
Folks choose their own destiny.

How can one choose their own destiny when it has been decided before they were born? Does not compute.

675 posted on 08/19/2005 3:20:37 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: curiosity
Nonsense. That God always knows what I do does not imply that God planned it.

Oh, sort of like evolution. God did not plan every detail, he just set it into motion. Thank you for your support on this issue.

676 posted on 08/19/2005 3:22:13 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Jorge
Having foreknowledge of the future doesn't make God responsible for everybody's actions.

When you construct something with the knowledge that it will do evil, you are responsible. God created man knowing he would do evil; he is responsible.

677 posted on 08/19/2005 3:24:33 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: kidkosmic1

I don't understand. I was told on another thread that all the innocent babies that died in the tsunami would go to heaven because God knew that if they had lived they would have been saved so they just took a shortcut since God knew what they would do had they lived. Didn't God know they would die?


678 posted on 08/19/2005 3:27:10 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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The festival of ignorance continues.


679 posted on 08/19/2005 3:49:59 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: WildTurkey
"How can one choose their own destiny when it has been decided before they were born? Does not compute."

What's been decided? Free will requires that the individual make the choices, not anyone else. The individual can't make the choices before he exists.

680 posted on 08/19/2005 4:01:42 PM PDT by spunkets
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