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To: CasearianDaoist
In my view, the position that you've taken is patently ridiculous. I am not referring to the political ramifications, which you ramble on at great length although I've said nothing about that, but rather your statement that the public doesn't care about the topic. The issue as it's been framed regards not ID in particular, but rather science overall and actual or perceived attacks on science including primarily those deriving from religion.

I've never seen anything either personally or in print to lead me to think that I overestimate the public's concern over science and religion. In fact, your statement strikes me as utterly absurd. I am hardly saying that "the public" sits around and obsesses constantly on the matter, but that people find both matters (and their intersection) of cardinal importance is not even remotely in doubt so far as I'm concerned.

As someone with no dog in this fight, I will tell you that the stridency and seemingly mortification of you evos becomes you little in the public square.

It strikes me as rather amusing that "someone with no dog in this fight" can carry on at such length, and with such stridency and seeming mortification regarding the matter, and yet still claim to have "no dog in this fight." Here's a tip, next time you wish to argue that you have no dog in a given fight try hiding the dog out of plain view....

If the Pope came out for ID then it would surely induce a debate parallel to the one that the President's statement has induced, and for much the same reasons. The questions at hand are central to the whole enterprise of human civilization, and normal people recognize them as such even if they don't sit around and obsess over them all day long. I'm not even sure what your motivation is to suggest otherwise, except perhaps that in my experience when someone dismisses an obviously important debate that even they themselves obviously find important, it's typically because they don't like the way it's going and can't think of a way to address the actual topic at hand.

But, I don't really know, maybe you actually believe what you're saying. I won't presume to fantasize a whole imaginary sequence like the one you've made up in the vapors of your own mind and attributed to me. My actual view on the political side of it is that it will only have an impact if the electorate concludes that religious interference will impede national progress, and I don't think we're anywhere close to that yet. Up to this point, the relevant debates are but one of several proxies for the overall culture war raging in this nation, and that would continue much the same regardless, since its fundamental underpinnings are other spheres of contention.

704 posted on 08/19/2005 5:33:50 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." Philip K. Dick)
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To: AntiGuv
Looks like I struck a nerve - more hysteria and mortification, I see.

This is not substantive response, nor does it address my points. It is just blathering informed by little else that egoism. That ego is the driver is amply demostrated by that fact that you somehow think that i was merely addressing you and what you said when it was quite clear who I was talking about ansd where my focus was directed.

Prior postings of your is rather off point. There is nothing to respond too as there is nothing in this response but personal attacks and psychobabble.

But drop me a note when you have something meaningful to say, just spare me the hectoring, please. It does not have the effect on of me that you evidently are looking for.

709 posted on 08/19/2005 6:08:06 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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