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Fox says Pentagon Now Denying Able Danger Knew of Atta
FoxNews - Fox & Friends ^ | 8/19/05 | Fox & Friends

Posted on 08/19/2005 3:51:38 AM PDT by Phsstpok

Just on Fox & Friends the "newsreader" who is subbing for Steve Deucy said that the Pentagon has today released a statement denying that any military intelligence unit had identified Atta prior to 9/11.

Nothing from other sources. Nothing on Google News search.

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KEYWORDS: 911; abledanger; atta; dia; dod; pentagon
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Please look at all sources any of you may have to see if this is, in fact, the case.

Probably will be played up big on Today and GMA, if true.

1 posted on 08/19/2005 3:51:40 AM PDT by Phsstpok
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To: Phsstpok

So the pictures of Atta and the other hijackers that were shown in the media the very next day after 9/11 came from?????????????????????????????????


2 posted on 08/19/2005 3:53:55 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: OldFriend

Drivers licenses? Passport photos? Visa Photos?


3 posted on 08/19/2005 3:56:47 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: OldFriend

The passport agency in Saudi Arabia?

Pretty simple search. You have the passport numbers of those on board via the flight roster. You phone 'our good freinds' the Saudis and "send us the details for these passport numbers". Five minutes later by email you have everyones passport photo.


4 posted on 08/19/2005 3:58:55 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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To: Phsstpok
That's what I heard.

I'd say why don't we just look at the transcripts from the testimony to see who said what, but the Commission did not keep an official transcript. People took notes.

Now we know why.

5 posted on 08/19/2005 3:59:05 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Brit_Guy

Go back and look at all the info that was coming out withing hours of the attacks, not just the pics. We had a lot more than just pics of these guys.


6 posted on 08/19/2005 4:02:10 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok
Denial is expected. Documentation *must* come out if there is any to back up the tale being told. And if this is a hoax designed to "cash in" on the Michael Moore tinfoil brigades there *must* be charges brought.

This is not a time to be yanking our chains. This is *serious*, not some Presidential peccadillo. If this is a Clintonian CYA operation by the Pentagon, Gorelick, Clintonistas and career cronies then heads *must* roll. This is too important. We need to get to the bottom of these allegations and find something that strongly resembles the damned truth!

7 posted on 08/19/2005 4:03:27 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Cindy Sheehan: "All You Are Saying Is Give APPEASEMENT A Chance!")
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To: newzjunkey

What kind of documentation? Without an official transcript of the testimony, it's going to be a they said-they said. I can't believe no-one ever raised a stink about a transcript not being kept.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 4:07:40 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok

I wonder if those making the denials are career types, who protect other buddies in the intelligence community.

Maybe?


9 posted on 08/19/2005 4:09:12 AM PDT by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: mewzilla

The 9-11 "commission" had two purposes:
1. Protect Bill Clinton and Hillary.
2. Find a way to blame President Bush.

If this report is true it means that the fix has ben put in at the highest level of Government. It also explains why the Bush Justice Department did not insist on prison time for Sandy Berger.


10 posted on 08/19/2005 4:09:26 AM PDT by sport
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To: sport

Berger's sentencing was delayed. He's not out of the woods yet. I hope that's a good sign.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 4:12:27 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok

NEITHER side wants to deal with this "mess." Please leave it swept under the rug, where it was.

THEY will shut down the internet before they let this get any bigger legs.

There is absolutely NO doubt that they are changing the story, AGAIN.


12 posted on 08/19/2005 4:13:34 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of History are bound to repeat them.)
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To: Phsstpok
They just discussed this on TV, and it would appear that the Pentagon is unable (unwilling?) to locate documents supporting Able Danger's claims about Atta.

Hmmm, Sandy Burglar??

13 posted on 08/19/2005 4:13:37 AM PDT by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: Phsstpok

So, who exactly was the "two-star general" who slapped the muzzle on Shaffer when he was trying to get the word out on what they had found? No doubt, this general is still there, and he and his cronies are going to be in full CYA mode as this develops.


14 posted on 08/19/2005 4:14:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (It is Watergate yet? Is it Watergate yet?)
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To: Phsstpok

Miklaszewski on MSNBC with Imus by phone:

Atta's name has not yet been found on any Pentagon documents. DOD still looking.


15 posted on 08/19/2005 4:14:42 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Preachin'
I wonder if those making the denials are career types

I wonder if it's official or if it's meerly "sources within the pentagon" who are saying this.

If it's sources then I guarantee that it's just spin.

If it's official then I want to know who made the call. If it was Rummy then I'm willing to go with the statement (depending on what is actually in it) as being in good faith, though I still want hearings and people under oath.

16 posted on 08/19/2005 4:15:28 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: DTogo

I think the 9-11 families are going to have to start raising some real heck.


17 posted on 08/19/2005 4:15:34 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok

The fix is in.


18 posted on 08/19/2005 4:15:48 AM PDT by mict42
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To: mewzilla

Me too.


19 posted on 08/19/2005 4:16:08 AM PDT by sport
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To: leadpenny

We should have transcripts.


20 posted on 08/19/2005 4:16:21 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I wish that was true. but I'm afraid it's just a consulting period trying to determine what the American people will live with for punishment.
As for Clinton, Gorelick et al; they are immune from prosecution under the "Democrats Do No Wrong" clause of the Constitution.


21 posted on 08/19/2005 4:17:14 AM PDT by kempster
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To: leadpenny
Atta's name has not yet been found on any Pentagon documents. DOD still looking.

That is a radically different story. Remember, it took 3 years to find the Rose Law Firm billing records in the White House under the toons.

Also remember, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

22 posted on 08/19/2005 4:17:41 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: kempster

There were Pubbies sitting on that commission, too. They went along with everything that was done, including the decision to do without an official, verbatim transcript of testimony taken by the commission.


23 posted on 08/19/2005 4:18:56 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: newzjunkey

whitewash!!!


24 posted on 08/19/2005 4:19:29 AM PDT by Samurai_Jack (ride out and confront the evil!)
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To: Phsstpok

I think these are some of the early shots being fired in this war. LTC Shafer (sp?) probably has more info and/or others will come to support him.


25 posted on 08/19/2005 4:24:38 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny
And since the commission refused to keep a transcript of the procedings, I think the onus should be on them to prove what they're saying is true.

Dang it, a transcript would have settled this all darn quick.

26 posted on 08/19/2005 4:27:41 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok

everybody in d.c. is covering their rears big time


27 posted on 08/19/2005 4:28:18 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: leadpenny
"Atta's name has not yet been found on any Pentagon documents. DOD still looking."

- According to the statements by the Colonel who was attached to Able Danger and who has spoken out, the information collected by that group would fill 40+ briefcases. It's hard to believe that the Pentagon could wade through all that in 24 hours and declare that Atta's name didn't appear anywhere.
28 posted on 08/19/2005 4:33:44 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: leadpenny
I think these are some of the early shots being fired in this war. LTC Shafer (sp?) probably has more info and/or others will come to support him.

Tony Snow is trying to make this story his own, big time. He had both Shaffer and Weldon on yesterday morning and has promised more. He also flat out stated that he was skeptical of the Pentagon mysteriously not being able to find the documents (though he hinted it wasn't the current Pentagon he blamed for their "disappearance"). He also made a very strong statement that there were other copies and implied that he knows where they are, or knows who knows.

This truly is a war, and could actually lead to people shooting at each other, both rhetorically, as they are now, and physically.

If there are folks who could seriously be charged with treason in this, what's the likelyhood that they'll go quietly?

29 posted on 08/19/2005 4:34:58 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Phsstpok
I want my Damn country Back! This is pathetic. I feel we are being purposefully twisted and manipulated to the point we just give up all hope of a Constitutional Government.

Clearly the 9/11 farce commission was from day one nothing more than a political dog and pony show. Both Republicans and Democrats contributing to the game show like atmosphere though the Democrats certainly carried the disgusting rhetoric and accusations.

We all know Clinton was at best incompetent and more likely than that both incompetent and a criminal. Lets not forget China gate and the real reason "the wall" was erected. Now we have a GOP who seems not concerned with truth but the same Cover Your Ass politics we constantly accuse Democrats of. Does anybody in Washingtion tell the truth.
30 posted on 08/19/2005 4:36:17 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Phsstpok
Tony Snow is trying to make this story his own, big time. He had both Shaffer and Weldon on yesterday morning and has promised more. He also flat out stated that he was skeptical of the Pentagon mysteriously not being able to find the documents (though he hinted it wasn't the current Pentagon he blamed for their "disappearance"). He also made a very strong statement that there were other copies and implied that he knows where they are, or knows who knows.

I'm calling him today. His show starts at 9.

31 posted on 08/19/2005 4:38:01 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Logic test: Pearl Harbor is to 911 as Harry Truman is to .....)
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To: newzjunkey
If this is a Clintonian CYA operation by the Pentagon, Gorelick, Clintonistas and career cronies then heads *must* roll.

If this is a CYA operation then it is one instigated by the W Bush team to cover Bubba's as*, the newly 'adopted' son of G H Bush ;-)

32 posted on 08/19/2005 4:38:47 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Phsstpok

10 to1 they knew but the actual report transcripts have been shreded.

This is typical MO within LE when the one making the complaint they like less than the criminal against whom they must do their jobs.


33 posted on 08/19/2005 4:39:58 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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"He also made a very strong statement that there were other copies and implied that he knows where they are, or knows who knows....."

Yikes, lots being said without being said......these patriots are risking a lot to go up against Goliath....I pray the truth is exposed....no matter who should fall because of it....
34 posted on 08/19/2005 4:41:00 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: finnigan2

Miklaszewski, who has good connections in the building, said they are still looking. He also said officials there now are not embarrassed by what happened on the previous regime's watch.


35 posted on 08/19/2005 4:41:29 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: leadpenny

Forget embarrassed. They ought to be mad as HECK.


36 posted on 08/19/2005 4:42:23 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok
When I heard yesterday that Kean had asked for documentation that the Pentagon knew about Atta(prior to 9/11) and that they were 'looking' -- I knew that 'looking'... really meant 'shredding'.
37 posted on 08/19/2005 4:42:39 AM PDT by johnny7 (“Hi Lloyd. A little slow tonight, isn't it?”)
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To: Archon of the East

Now we have a GOP who seems not concerned with truth but the same Cover Your Ass politics we constantly accuse Democrats of. Does anybody in Washingtion tell the truth
------
Titanic again.

The system is corrupt coz they want to employ citizens and not have the citizens employ gov.

So when there's a big sink crack hole throughout the length of the boat, they don't want to quite jump ship yet or feign. They don't have the Cojones for a Constitutional crisis.


38 posted on 08/19/2005 4:43:14 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: mewzilla

I heard it on good authority yesterday that Lehman is on vacation.


39 posted on 08/19/2005 4:43:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: mewzilla

I think someone had just pointed out to ..ski that there had been a big turnover in 01.


40 posted on 08/19/2005 4:44:53 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: JohnLongIsland
everybody in d.c. is covering their rears big time

I do, in fact, have my pants on.

41 posted on 08/19/2005 4:46:37 AM PDT by aBootes
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To: finnigan2

Are these the documents in Bergers shorts?


42 posted on 08/19/2005 4:47:05 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: JudgemAll

You said it!! But a crisis we have indeed.


43 posted on 08/19/2005 4:51:38 AM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: ovrtaxt

LTC Shaffer is either a brave patriot or an shameless opportunist. I haven't decided which, although it could be both (Ollie North comes to mind). However, it is almost unheard of for military officers to go public with classified information under ANY circumstances. This raises a red flag in my mind about his motives. One could use the argument that "its in the public interest"--but realize thats the same one Ellsburg used with the Pentagon Papers. And who is to decide what is in the public interest or not--this is not the responsibility of the rank and file. It just doesn't wash.


44 posted on 08/19/2005 5:10:25 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: ovrtaxt
I'm calling him today. His show starts at 9.

8 Central.

I'll be listening for you.

45 posted on 08/19/2005 5:22:24 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Phsstpok

Raleign Nwes and Observer is now saying that the LT Col only remembers what he's talking about from HIS MEMORIES and the MEMORIES of others.

I thought that is how we all think back to the PAST.

Guess I've been WRONG all these years.


46 posted on 08/19/2005 5:25:26 AM PDT by funkywbr
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To: funkywbr

It's the "...you can't prove it..." line of defense. Doesn't mean anyone is innocent, only that "you can't prove it."


47 posted on 08/19/2005 5:29:24 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: leadpenny
I think someone had just pointed out to ..ski that there had been a big turnover in 01.

So what?

With respect, I'd still be dang mad about what was done in my name as a US citizen even if it wasn't done on my watch. That attitude would imply that the only reason to give an expletive-deleted if is you'd done it or had been accused of doing it. It was done, darn it, and every US citizen worth the description should give a hang.

48 posted on 08/19/2005 7:23:24 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Raleign Nwes and Observer is now saying that the LT Col only remembers what he's talking about from HIS MEMORIES and the MEMORIES of others.

That's all that's left since the commission refused to make transcripts...

49 posted on 08/19/2005 7:29:55 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Phsstpok

Even Shaffer is starting to backtrack. Looks like John Podheretz is right and is owed an apology by a bunch here on FR.


50 posted on 08/19/2005 7:31:11 AM PDT by Solson (Viva il Papa!)
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