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Attorney General Involved In Racial Bar Check Case
WCBSTV.com ^ | 8-19-05 | Christine Sloan

Posted on 08/19/2005 7:10:11 AM PDT by veronica

(CBS) NEW YORK A New Jersey restaurant is offering a discount to win back customers after a staff member left an offensive message on a customer's check. This comes as the restaurant braces for a civil rights investigation by the state's attorney general.

"You see 'Jew Couple' as a bar order. I was a little bit shocked," said offended customer Elliot Stein.

Elliot Stein and his girlfriend were the victim of a bartender at a Jersey Shore restaurant when he used the words "Jew Couple" to identify them on their check.

Stein considers the check “racial profiling”.

The Attorney General's Office Division on Civil Rights has now launched an investigation into Parkhill's Waterfront Grill in Loch Arbour.

"We want to determine what the facts are and see if the conduct violated the law against discrimination," said Peter Harvey the NJ Attorney General.

The restaurant’s general manager Malia Wells had this to say about the issue.

"Unfortunately it was poor judgment by our bartender. She apologized. I apologize. It was poor judgment and she is no longer with us."

Despite apologies and firings, the Attorney General wants to look into this case further.

"It certainly isn't in anybody's handwriting which wouldn't suggest the waitress wrote it. It suggests as you pointed out in the software of the restaurant's computer system. It may not be a waitress problem. This may be a management problem, an institutional problem. If so, we intend to correct the institution and not have the institution blame its employees who were trained a certain way." said Harvey.

A restaurant spokesperson told us today that they don't have software in their system that identifies customers by race or religion, and after this incident, table numbers will be used to label customers.

The attorney general says the restaurant could be subject to a fine or forced to re-train its employees if his office determines a civil rights violation.

The Attorney General says his office has not received any other complaints on the restaurant.


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1 posted on 08/19/2005 7:10:11 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
I did not know that religious discrimination was a crime.
2 posted on 08/19/2005 7:13:22 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: veronica

O for Pete's sake.


3 posted on 08/19/2005 7:13:25 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: veronica

"a staff member left an offensive message on a customer's check"

Not a smart way to build up business, but also certainly not something that requires Big Brother's help with a lawsuit and sensitivity class/re-education camp.


4 posted on 08/19/2005 7:16:56 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: veronica

I don't get it. Were they Jewish? If so, is being identified as such "discrimination"? I know it is not appropriate but "discrimination"? Jeez. If someone refered to me as "that Christian guy", I wouldn't think twice about it. An investigation from the AG's office for referring to someone as a "Jew". Freaky.


5 posted on 08/19/2005 7:17:02 AM PDT by L98Fiero
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To: Mike Darancette

Putting a racial or religious slur or comment on an internal document is not an acceptable business practice. This is can't be the first time it was done in this place. It is the responsiblity of the management to train employees, and keep them appropriate. Otherwise, they'll pay the price.


6 posted on 08/19/2005 7:20:47 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica

What a waste of time. There truly is no private ownership anymore, even of your own business.


7 posted on 08/19/2005 7:21:05 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: veronica

Enough of this already. The story has been running around NY for a week already and the one thing I never seem to hear anyone ask is:

"What prompted the waitress to put the offensive message on the bill in the first place?"

The closest anyone has cometo this question is the NY Post writing a blurb like "It's unclear as to why this happened, but the offending waitress no longer works there."

How much do ya wanna bet that perhaps the slighted couple did or said something that prompted such a vicious response?

I'm not saying it was right at all, but people usually don't display overt racism/anti-semitism unless provoked.

P.S. not to engage in anti-semitism myself, but isn't it notable to see that said nasty remark was placed in the one place said Jewish couple would be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN to see it, on the bill? (/sarcasm).


8 posted on 08/19/2005 7:21:22 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: reelfoot
But it's a good way for a lawyer with political aspirations to get some media exposure.
9 posted on 08/19/2005 7:23:32 AM PDT by airborne
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To: CasearianDaoist
O for Pete's sake.

Ditto. PC is the first Article of Faith for the United Church of Secularism which is being established as the state religion of the USA.

10 posted on 08/19/2005 7:24:53 AM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" - Elmer Fudd)
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To: veronica
They got their food in a timely manor apparently. So the system must have worked to their advantage. Maybe the note was to remind her that these customers probably have a PC chip on their shoulders.
11 posted on 08/19/2005 7:27:19 AM PDT by Taxbilly
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To: Wombat101
How much do ya wanna bet that perhaps the slighted couple did or said something that prompted such a vicious response?

A. A bizarre assumption. And, even if true, why not just "Obnoxious Couple"?

B. If you are an employee at a place that serves the public, you don't have the right to react as this person did, even if the customer is obnoxious. You go to management and let them handle it.

12 posted on 08/19/2005 7:28:35 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica

Really thin skinned - it's like saying "the black couple" or the "white couple" or the couple with weird hair - just an identifyer to keep the checks straight. Let it go.


13 posted on 08/19/2005 7:33:36 AM PDT by sandydipper (Less government is best government!)
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To: veronica
Otherwise, they'll pay the price.

But is it a crime?

14 posted on 08/19/2005 7:34:05 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: veronica
What if they were wearing identifiable Jewish clothing and were the only ones in the place that were doing so. What if it was just descriptive.

And beside, why should this be illegal, particularly in a privately held business.

Shall the government now regulate descriptions of customers? How will this be enforced?

Should the "PB police" regularly monitor businesses hard drives for "illegal descriptions?" You reaction is absurd and straight out of the liberal play book.

And why all the consternation? If they had said "The Wasp couple in the corner" would we hear such outrage? No.

Instead we would be told that that was an apt description.

In any event, have the AG involved is just preposterous, and we know just what the motivation behind it is.

15 posted on 08/19/2005 7:38:03 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: sandydipper
.... "the black couple" or the "white couple"...

Equally offensive. If I ran a store or an eatery and an employee did that on an internal or external document, I'd be furious.

16 posted on 08/19/2005 7:39:02 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica
It certainly isn't in anybody's handwriting which wouldn't suggest the waitress wrote it. It suggests as you pointed out in the software of the restaurant's computer system. It may not be a waitress problem. This may be a management problem, an institutional problem.

Oh for gods-sake. As if this was actually official store policy. This AG can't possibly be serious. And who the hell calls the police over an offensive comment anyway? Idiots all around in this story. Unreal.

17 posted on 08/19/2005 7:43:58 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: veronica

you know, people have done weirder stuff. This isn't just the sort of thing one throws up out of frustration or because they're having a bad hair day. PMS is not an affirmative defense for this kind of thing. This is the kind of stuff that is intended to insult and hurt. People usually don't intend to do harm unless they're mad about something.

So, it's not such a bizarre assumption at all. Especially when you consider just how obnoxious somepeople can get when they've been drinking, like this couple was.

I don't pretend to have been a fly on the wall, but it strikes me as curious that someone did this without being provoked somehow.


18 posted on 08/19/2005 7:50:40 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: Wombat101
I am sure that had this couple been doing something out of the ordinary, or rude, or overtly obnoxious, other customers would have come to the defense of the perp, pointing out the bad behavior of the couple.

Next?

19 posted on 08/19/2005 7:57:02 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica

Part of the difficulty for the restaurant is the way in which the words were used.

In the case of the phrase "Jew Couple," the word "Jew," which is properly a noun, is used as an adjective to modify "Couple." If the waitress was looking merely to identify the couple by some obvious trait (although I didn't realize that Jewishness was such an obvious trait), she would have properly written "Jewish Couple."

The only folks I've personally ever encountered who used the word "Jew" as an adjective, rather than the proper "Jewish," have been folks who were, at the very least, not especially philo-semitic. More typically, the people I've encountered who used this trope were, indeed, anti-semites.

Often, terms like "Jew boy" or "Jew couple," etc., are used in denigrating fashion, more akin to calling a Christian a "Christer," or a Chinese a "Chinaman" or a Japanese a "Jap." The failure to use proper grammar or terminology is used as a way to demean.

Now, in the case of the dim-bulb waitress (leaving this identifer on the final check certainly qualifies her for nomination of some sort of social Darwin Award), it may be that she didn't have the space in the system, or the time, to type in "Jewish Couple," and thus, the slight was unintentional.

All that being said, the waitress certainly was stupid enough to merit dismissal, but beyond that, this is a tempest in a teapot.


20 posted on 08/19/2005 7:59:38 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: veronica

Oh yeah, I'm SURE they would.Why I interrupt my meal and violate my "mind-your-own-business" rule at least three times a day to remiind people to "not be so loud", etc. I'm sure a restaurant on the Jersey Shore, which lives and dies by the summer tourist trade, routinely throws out close-to-inebriated patrons who may be loud and obnoxious but who haven't pulled out a gun yet.

We're only getting one side of the story here: the aggrieved couple's side. The waitress has not been talked to and the restaurant, of course, does nothing but apologize (naturally).

I'd like to know what motivated her. Is she mental? Is she stupid? Did someone say something to her? Was she stiffed on a tip the previous evening by these people? Inquiring minds want to know, but we're not being told.


21 posted on 08/19/2005 8:03:19 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: Wombat101
Is she stupid?

That one is easy. YES. :)

22 posted on 08/19/2005 8:10:20 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica

Asked completely rhetorically. But thanks for clearing that up -- I never would have guessed on my own.


23 posted on 08/19/2005 8:13:19 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: veronica
Wonder if they also spit in their food.

After all it was a favorite tactic of Jesse Jackson.

24 posted on 08/19/2005 8:23:22 AM PDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Mike Darancette
I did not know that religious discrimination was a crime.

Apparently the term "Jew" is now a racial slur, beam me up.

25 posted on 08/19/2005 8:23:57 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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If she'd identified the customer as "the dude wearing the yamika" would that be equally offensive?


26 posted on 08/19/2005 8:30:22 AM PDT by Stump
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To: Mister Baredog
Used as in "dirty Jew" - or "Jew boy" or "Jew couple" it certainly is a slur. But again - any religious or racial commentary by a barmaid is just inappropriate.

And, it proves an old adage my mother passed on to me. Never put anything in writing that you wouldn't want read in a court of law...:)

27 posted on 08/19/2005 8:32:03 AM PDT by veronica ("America has been killing people on this continent since it was started." - Mother Sheehan)
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To: veronica
Or just perhaps it was just a way for a meager waitress to keep her customers sorted out. Had she written Jewish would that have made a difference?

I'm just SICK of everyone being offended by the littlest things, for pete's sake she doesn't even work there anymore and now the state wants to turn this into some knid of "hate crime".

It's simply RIDICULOUS IMHO.

28 posted on 08/19/2005 10:10:19 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: veronica
A New Jersey restaurant is offering a discount to win back customers after a staff member left an offensive message on a customer's check.

Excellent, the "Jew Couple" got everyone a discount!

Related threads.

N.J. Restaurant Writes 'Jew Couple' On Check As Table Identifier

N.J. Eatery Writes 'Jew Couple' on Check

'DIRTY' DISH ON N.J. 'JEW' EATERY

TABLE FOR 'JEW'

29 posted on 08/19/2005 1:22:49 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: Wombat101
I'm not saying it was right at all, but people usually don't display overt racism/anti-semitism unless provoked.

You're joking, right?

30 posted on 08/19/2005 1:26:23 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: veronica
I am sure that had this couple been doing something out of the ordinary, or rude, or overtly obnoxious, other customers would have come to the defense of the perp, pointing out the bad behavior of the couple.

I like these threads.

On the one hand you have posters suggesting that if you have a rude, obnoxious couple, and there's nothing unusual about describing them as "Jew Couple", rather than "Rude Couple" or "Obnoxious Couple", the meaning presumably clear.

Scroll down a couple posts, assertions that "Jew Couple" clearly isn't used with malice.

Multi-hundred post threads, people don't see the connection.

31 posted on 08/19/2005 1:32:18 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: sitetest
See post 29 and 31. We now have several multi hundred post threads with a number of posters indicating that the comment may have been put on the bill because the couple was rude, obnoxious, or poor tippers, thus the notation "Jew Couple", as a derogatory notation.

Seems to me that FR has proved that many people use Jew as a derogatory adjective.

32 posted on 08/19/2005 1:36:46 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: Wombat101

are you sure it was vicious? was the waitress perhaps engaged in a conversation about the jewish religion with them? was the man perhaps wearing a yarmelka and (like me) the waitress didn't know how to spell it but knew that it was associated with being jewish?


33 posted on 08/19/2005 1:39:21 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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Dear SJackson,

"See post 29 and 31. We now have several multi hundred post threads with a number of posters indicating that the comment may have been put on the bill because the couple was rude, obnoxious, or poor tippers, thus the notation 'Jew Couple', as a derogatory notation."

???

Gee, I think that might be even uglier. I don't know. Gotta think about that one.

In any case, I read with interest the thread on "Dirty Joanne." These folks really know how to attract repeat business. LOL.

Hope their business is wiped out and they're homeless by morning.


sitetest


34 posted on 08/19/2005 1:41:56 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

what good timing.. i just got an email from someone, reminded me of possibly how this could've been used as a serious insult.
"jew" as a slang verb. to "jew" someone is to take advantage of them monetarily. if they were regulars (which one article said they were) the waitress heard stories, or knew from experience, that they were lousy tippers, then it might have been a racial slur.


35 posted on 08/19/2005 1:46:18 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

Dear absolootezer0,

I really have no idea how this inappropriate notation wound up on this couple's check, or on "Dirty Joanne's" check, either. I don't think I care.

But that the restaurant didn't immediately fire Joanne's server a year ago when she brought it up to management speaks extremely poorly of this chicken-sh!t eating establishment, where e. coli and salmonella probably runs rampant.

I don't think that the attorney general should be involved here, and I don't think that if I were on a jury deciding a civil suit against them that I'd award much more than the cost of dinner at the greasy spoon, but I DO think that lots of really bad publicity, driving the joint out of business, is a perfectly wonderful response.


sitetest


36 posted on 08/19/2005 1:53:02 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Gee, I think that might be even uglier. I don't know. Gotta think about that one....

Might be, I don't know either.

I don't think that the attorney general should be involved here, and I don't think that if I were on a jury deciding a civil suit against them that I'd award much more than the cost of dinner at the greasy spoon, but I DO think that lots of really bad publicity, driving the joint out of business, is a perfectly wonderful response.

Agreed the AG has no role here.From the coverage I've read, there is no lawsuit, as yet, Freeper allegations that there is aside. What's missing from the restaurant's "explanations" is the comped bar tab, or at free dinner the next time they're in.

So far it's a case of very stupid management, and the publicity is deserved.

37 posted on 08/19/2005 2:40:53 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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To: SJackson

Dear SJackson,

"What's missing from the restaurant's 'explanations' is the comped bar tab, or at free dinner the next time they're in."

Good point. I've received free dinners at restaurants for lighter offenses.

I wonder if the couple initially approached the restaurant and got similar treatment to "Dirty Joanne," in other words, they got blown off? And that's maybe when they took it to the papers?

Oh well, apparently business is circling the toilet bowl. Appears to be a well-deserved fate.


sitetest


38 posted on 08/19/2005 2:49:43 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: absolootezer0

I'm going to assume it was vicious, or at least in very poor taste, otherwise why write "Jew couple" at all? Why not some other term to identify them? Apparently the remark was made not so much to help the waitress identify which bill belonged to whom, but rather to send a subtle message to the person who was going to get it.

I don't usually go around making personal notes on people like "black idiot" or "irish drunk" as a mnemonic device, do you?


39 posted on 08/19/2005 3:36:56 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: SJackson

No I'm not. Do you routinely use racial epithets in public, as part of your normal vocabulary? Do you go around burning crosses on your neighbor's lawn for kicks on the weekend?

I'd bet you don't. I certainly don't.

But, if someone did something to provoke you, I'd bet a racial slur or somesuch could quite possibly enter your mind or pass your lips. That's all I'm saying.


40 posted on 08/19/2005 3:41:30 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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