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Republican senator calls for talks with Iran
Yahoo News/Reuters ^ | 8/19/2005 | Alam Elsner

Posted on 08/19/2005 9:57:27 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Republican Party foreign policy expert Sen. Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) is calling for the United States to open talks with Iran's new president and has dismissed President George W. Bush's talk of a military option against Tehran as an empty and foolish threat.

In an interview with Reuters during a trip across his home state on Wednesday, Hagel said the United States should greet the new Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a bold diplomatic stroke.

"You've got a new president, a new opportunity to do something bold here. Why not take that opportunity and do something bold? Iran is going to be a major influence in the future of Iraq. It already is. Who are we kidding when we think that they're not? They are.

"I would start engaging with American face-to-face dialogue. We're not at negotiations yet, but opening that dialogue. This is a process. This needs to work. Every side has to give something here," said Hagel, who is a member of the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee and is seen as a possible Republican presidential candidate in 2008.

In an interview with Israeli television last week, Bush said "all options are on the table" if the Iranians refuse to comply with international demands to halt their nuclear program, and noted that he has already used force to protect U.S. security.

EMPTY THREAT

Hagel's response to that implied threat was completely dismissive.

"Quite frankly, what is the military option, what are we talking about here? We lose credibility in the face of the world when we say things like, 'Well just don't forget what happened to Iraq could happen to you Iran. We could invade you, we could bomb you.'

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; hagel; iran
Hagel has certainly "grown," hasn't he? The MSM are gonna keep lovin' him.

Michael M. Bates: My Side of the Swamp

1 posted on 08/19/2005 9:57:28 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

Chuck Hagel is an empty suit.


2 posted on 08/19/2005 9:58:25 AM PDT by new yorker 77 (Vote with Your Remote.)
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To: Mike Bates

Hagel has always been an Ahole.

Hey Chuck, FOAD.


3 posted on 08/19/2005 9:59:17 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you dont have to...." ;)
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To: Mike Bates
Why exactly did Nebraska elect this embarrassment anyway?
4 posted on 08/19/2005 9:59:34 AM PDT by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: Mike Bates

Hagel still has the (R) next to his name?


5 posted on 08/19/2005 9:59:37 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (I'm in no Al-Samood for this Sheiite.)
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To: Mike Bates

"This is a process"

Ah... Yes... One that will never end.


6 posted on 08/19/2005 10:00:59 AM PDT by Pessimist
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To: Moral Hazard
Why exactly did Nebraska elect this embarrassment anyway?

He's often described as a war hero, so that helped no doubt.

7 posted on 08/19/2005 10:02:09 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

Hagel is really getting on my nerves.

He supported Cindy Sheehan too.


8 posted on 08/19/2005 10:02:29 AM PDT by nuffsenuff
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To: Mike Bates

IMHO--Hagel should stuff it.


9 posted on 08/19/2005 10:02:30 AM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Mike Bates

"Chuck Hagel (news, bio, voting record) is calling for the United States to open talks with Iran's new president"

- You don't negotiate with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist financers and terrorist instigators who have openly called for our destruction, death to all Jews and world Islamic domination.

Is this guy retarded?


10 posted on 08/19/2005 10:03:05 AM PDT by Frenetic
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To: Mike Bates

What a fool. Nebraska should be ashamed, about as ashamed as we are of Lindsey Graham.


11 posted on 08/19/2005 10:03:11 AM PDT by A.Hun (An armed society is a polite society)
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To: Mike Bates

Like McCain, he is trying to appear "moderate" to prepare for the 2008 Presidential primaries. "Moderate" = sellout.


12 posted on 08/19/2005 10:04:25 AM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: A.Hun

Hagel just got himself a spot on the talk shows for the weekend and endless favorable coverage from the MSM.


13 posted on 08/19/2005 10:05:08 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: new yorker 77
Republican Party foreign policy expert Sen. Chuck Hagel

Heaven help us.

14 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:03 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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To: Frenetic
- You don't negotiate with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist financers and terrorist instigators who have openly called for our destruction, """"

Yes we do. We negotiate with the Chinese - - there's a textile quota negotiation with the Chinese going on right now, in San Francisco. Yet the Chinese have threatened to nuke Taiwan (if nuking a country isn't "terrorism," what is?

15 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:06 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: hobbes1
Hey Chuck, FOAD.

Thank you.  Couldn't have said it any better myself.

16 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:15 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: Mike Bates

"Republican Party foreign policy expert Sen. Chuck Hagel"

Of course what makes him an "expert" to the MSM is that he's so snide and snotty to Bush when it comes to foreign policy.

If he's such an "expert" on foreign policy, what makes him think some "reaching-out" statement to the new extremist Iranian president is going to have any success when many such statements in the past, even when made to the former supposed moderate Khathemi or however you spell it were totally rebuffed? And what of the Europeans getting exactly nowhere with the Iranians, indeed their soft touch diplomacy only resulting in the Iranians declaring they'll resume reprocessing of uranium?

Frankly Chucky, your taking the military option off the table is what's foolish. Every option must be available to us in dealing with unreasonable people. And this cretin running Iran and his Mullah puppeteers are most assuredly unreasonable people. Hopefully it won't come to needing a military option, but we should not undermine ourselves and all steps leading up to using a military last resort response by telling these animals that it's off the table! If sanctions don't work, what then Chucky? Just live with the Al Qaeda and terrorism supporting Iranian mullahs having nukes?? No way.

And no, no one is talking about an invasion Chucky. We're talking surgical airstrikes to take out Iran's nukes if it comes to that. You clearly are not ready for prime time Chucky if you're willing to take that off the table and allow the Iranians to feel they've got clear sailing into becoming a nuclear power.


17 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:17 AM PDT by MikeA
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To: Frenetic
Hagel has become an embarrassment. I hate him worse than Mother (F'n) Sheehan.
18 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:21 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Moral Hazard
***Why exactly did Nebraska elect this embarrassment anyway?***

Uh... because Johnny Carson is dead?!?

:-)

19 posted on 08/19/2005 10:06:39 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Mike Bates
Did I wake up on the wrong side of the wormhole today? Democrats are saying we should use the threat of force to make Iran and North Korea give up nukes, and a Republican wants to make nice-nice with the Ayatollahs.

Somebody tell Scotty to quit fooling with the warp drive - reality is getting messed up.

20 posted on 08/19/2005 10:08:15 AM PDT by krazyrep
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To: FreedomNeocon

Apparently he thinks the (R) stands for "retreat."


21 posted on 08/19/2005 10:09:03 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: KAUAIBOUND

"Like McCain, he is trying to appear "moderate" to prepare for the 2008 Presidential primaries. "Moderate" = sellout."

McCain may be a moderate on domestic issues, but he is a hawk on foreign policy and would never agree with Hagel's "soft touch" approach on the Iranians. Make no mistake, whatever McCain's sins on domestic issues the man is no wimp when it comes to the use of military power. I really think McCain would be disgusted with his friend's remarks.


22 posted on 08/19/2005 10:09:09 AM PDT by MikeA
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To: Mike Bates

Am I missing something or is it the Senator? I do believe the whole world has been talking to Iran...how is that going so far, Senator???


23 posted on 08/19/2005 10:09:16 AM PDT by Ecliptic (Keep looking to the sky)
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To: Frenetic
- You don't negotiate with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist financers and terrorist instigators """

Not only do we negotiate and trade with the Chinese (despite their nuclear threats against Taiwan -- a terrorist threat if there ever was one), but so do the Israelis.

24 posted on 08/19/2005 10:09:33 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Mike Bates
Unfortunately folks, Iran may already have nuclear weapon capability, and, like China or the former Soviet Union, attack and invasion may not be a viable option.

Over 20 years ago, I met Iranians for the first time at Brookhaven Nat'l Lab - women who were nuclear physicists involved with an experiment there. I had no idea that there was such a broad, technically educated middle class in Iran, despite the reign of the ayatollahs.

Two and a half years after the invasion of an essentially defenseless country, we still can't establish basic security, even around the "green" zone in Baghdad. If we invade Iran, all we'll do is strengthen the mullahs politically - and they won't particularly care if a million of their citizens die fighting the "western devils". Even the educated, moderate classes will look upon their soldiers as heroes in a holy and just cause.

Hagel may only be stating the obvious.

25 posted on 08/19/2005 10:14:57 AM PDT by podkane
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To: new yorker 77
Chuck Hagel is an empty suit.

Desperately seeking attention.

Soon he'll get his own whole hour with little Chrissy Mathews if he keeps this up.

MORON ALERT

26 posted on 08/19/2005 10:14:59 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Minuteman at heart, couch potato in reality))
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To: MikeA
I doubt that McCain would be disgusted if it would get him face time in front of a camera.

Hagle is just another one that I have added to my list of I will never vote for.
27 posted on 08/19/2005 10:19:49 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: mariabush

Hagel wins the Voinobitch award for the week. Not one dime.


28 posted on 08/19/2005 10:21:24 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: mariabush
I doubt that McCain would be disgusted if it would get him face time in front of a camera.

Hagle is just another one that I have added to my list of I will never vote for

ALL politicians want to get in front of the camera - you're going to be mighty disappointed if you're looking for a hero in the political class. Bashing Republicans because they are trying to be politically realistic will only get us Hillary in the WH.

29 posted on 08/19/2005 10:24:24 AM PDT by podkane
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To: podkane

You're not going to get very far around here by being rational.


30 posted on 08/19/2005 10:26:04 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: krazyrep

Check everyone for goatees-maybe we're in a parallel universe!


31 posted on 08/19/2005 10:31:31 AM PDT by waverna
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To: Frenetic

Well, Bush wants negotiations too.


CRAWFORD, Texas (AP) -- President Bush said Tuesday that he's deeply suspicious about Iran's nuclear ambitions, but that the country's new leader has indicated a willingness to negotiate.

Bush said he got word Tuesday that the newly elected president of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said he is willing to work with other nations amid concerns that his country is developing nuclear weapons.

"Just as I was walking in here, I received word that the new Iranian president said he was willing to get back to the table," Bush told reporters at a brief question-and-answer session at his Texas ranch.

"If he did say that, I think that's a positive sign that the Iranians are getting a message, that it's not just the United States that's worried about their nuclear programs, but the Europeans are serious in calling the Iranians to account and negotiating," he said.


32 posted on 08/19/2005 10:31:49 AM PDT by notigar
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To: podkane
Unfortunately folks, Iran may already have nuclear weapon capability, and, like China or the former Soviet Union, attack and invasion may not be a viable option.

Invasion was never an option in Iran. That fact, alone, makes him an idiot.

33 posted on 08/19/2005 10:32:25 AM PDT by zarf
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To: Mike Bates

nebraskans would really help us out if they defeat this guy in his next primary.


34 posted on 08/19/2005 10:34:55 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: MikeA

McMaverick isn't friends with McHagel. They are in direct competition.

Hagel has chosen to trash the war and the President while remaining subdued, but he says, in support of ending filibusters.

McCain chooses to trash the war but he does so through back channels and attacks on Rummy, but his real opposition is in Judicial and legislative conservative advancements.

They have both staked out different prominent conservative/Bush positions and opposed them to make a name. They will both be fighting for the Rockefellers, Dems and Indy's in the primaries. Fine by me, I wish them to their competition to flay each other's support to the bare minimum. Our job is to find a consensus conservative to sail easily to victory in the primaries while they destroy each other.


35 posted on 08/19/2005 10:40:08 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: new yorker 77

Hagel is like McCain in that both honorably served in the military. However, as politicians, they are both a complete POS.


And if anyone tells you, well he did serve his country, just tell them I respect them for that, however Benedict Arnold was also a war hero.


36 posted on 08/19/2005 10:43:43 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Mike Bates
Why do they insist on calling Hagel a Republican when he's quite clearly a Hagelian. A useless t*rd masquerading as a US Senator.

If he truly thinks talking is going to get the Iranians to turn around on becoming a nuke power, he's as dumb as he is ignorant of history.
37 posted on 08/19/2005 10:44:53 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: ohioman

"And if anyone tells you, well he did serve his country, just tell them I respect them for that, however Benedict Arnold was also a war hero"

Did John Kerry serve his country?


38 posted on 08/19/2005 10:48:19 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: Mike Bates

If Hagel thinks he has any chance in hell of getting nominated he has another thing coming! This guy is truly out to lunch. Isn't there another more conservative candidate to run against him in the primary's? I am just venting.


39 posted on 08/19/2005 10:48:33 AM PDT by HOYA97 (Hoya Saxa = What Rocks)
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To: Soul Seeker

Nebraskans should look for another Senator Roman Hruska. When Nixon nominated a guy criticized for being mediocre (Carswell), Roman famously said: "Even if he is mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren’t they, and a little chance?"


40 posted on 08/19/2005 10:50:13 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: HOYA97

I think Hagel is rehearsing for a token Conservative position on CNN or PMSNBC. PMSNBC COnservatives have more in common with Chris Matthews than Rush Limbaugh.


41 posted on 08/19/2005 10:50:50 AM PDT by Rosemont
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To: HOYA97
If Hagel thinks he has any chance in hell of getting nominated he has another thing coming!

I don't know about that. If guys like Jerry Ford and Bob Dole could win their party's nomination. . .

42 posted on 08/19/2005 10:51:52 AM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

Well it could have been worse. He could have cried.


43 posted on 08/19/2005 10:52:39 AM PDT by HitmanLV
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another repub made of Jimmy Carter DNA. Talk to Iran? The ones that already said they will destroy us? Toss him out too.


44 posted on 08/19/2005 10:57:17 AM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: Mike Bates
Ah, Chuckie Hagel...

McStain's personal Muppet!

Shake McStain's hand and you smell what Lindsay Graham and Chuckie Hagel had for lunch yesterday!

These "men" wouldn't know a good idea for America if Hillary had it tattoed on her thighs!

Basically, if McStain/Graham/Hagel are for it...RUN AWAY FAST!

45 posted on 08/19/2005 11:43:52 AM PDT by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Mike Bates

Negotiation and diplomacy should, of course, be tried first (as someone else pointed out, President Bush is trying that even now) - not that I personally think it will succeed in this case.

But with this statement, Hagel has it backwards:

"Quite frankly, what is the military option, what are we talking about here? We lose credibility in the face of the world when we say things like, 'Well just don't forget what happened to Iraq could happen to you Iran. We could invade you, we could bomb you.'

Hey, Chuck, it is when we are WITHOUT the military option that we lose credibility. We DO certainly want Iran to think of what happened to Iraq, and perhaps change course. You might have heard of this tactic. It's called 'deterrence.'

God, how do they get and keep their positions of leadership - grrrrr


46 posted on 08/19/2005 1:10:22 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: churchillbuff
Posted by churchillbuff to Frenetic On News/Activism 08/19/2005 1:09:33 PM EDT · 24 of 46 You don't negotiate with terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, terrorist financers and terrorist instigators.

Not only do we negotiate and trade with the Chinese (despite their nuclear threats against Taiwan -- a terrorist threat if there ever was one), but so do the Israelis.

Ahem. Perhaps it's escaped your notice that China isn't a terrorist. It's a country.

47 posted on 08/20/2005 10:38:34 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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