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'Christian' Pat Robertson calls for the assassination of Venezuela's President Chavez
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Posted on 08/22/2005 5:43:04 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: mariabush
So true..isn't it strange how when
one Christian says something..
all Christians are attacked? The Devil
is not stupid...he will continue to divide us
among these lines...
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posted on
08/22/2005 7:08:56 PM PDT
by
PaulaB
(Waiting On My Blessed Hope)
To: mariabush
He does have an M.Div. from New York Theological Seminary. However, I was arguing that this should not preclude him from political activism.
To: Rebelbase
More damage to the cause of Christ. I would characterize his liquidation as For the Greater Good, similar to the long term benefits derived from the termination of Salvador Allende.
Failure to act swiftly and decisively could doom the people of Venezuela to 50 or more years of what the Cubans have been forced to live through for the past 50 years.
163
posted on
08/22/2005 7:10:08 PM PDT
by
StopGlobalWhining
(Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
To: muawiyah
He is a member of 1st Baptist, Va. Beach, unless something has changed very recently.
164
posted on
08/22/2005 7:10:09 PM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
To: muawiyah
Come on Mua, be honest here.
How long have you been holding on to that word, waiting to find a use for it in a post...
:)
To: Young Scholar
166
posted on
08/22/2005 7:11:23 PM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
To: Conservative til I die
What I can tell you is that Christ didn't have very much to say at all about politics.
No but God did in the Old Testament..Jesus' coming did not change rules made in the Old Testament
167
posted on
08/22/2005 7:11:50 PM PDT
by
PaulaB
(Waiting On My Blessed Hope)
To: Petronski
Touchy, touchy. No one is trying to smear the Catholic church. The point was about Hitler's church membership, and what part that would have played in any action on his part to send Catholic German troops to Italy to tear up the Vatican.
Noting that the Italians had cheered on Catholic Italian troops tearing up comparable institutions in Ethiopia, I merely suggested this would have been done to the cheers of the Italian fascists and Italian communists if their prior behavior meant anything in particular.
The smear is of the Italian fascists and communists ~ if such a smear were possible.
Your response is rather like that of the commedic routine that ends "don't say nothin' 'bout the brother."
Better for you to read the logic than to search for insults.
Now, getting beyond the hypotheticals of church law, do you have a cite to any specific action taken at any time by any religious organization to disaffiliate Adolph Hitler? Doesn't mean they had to do so, just WAS IT DONE?
168
posted on
08/22/2005 7:12:47 PM PDT
by
muawiyah
(/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
To: Rebelbase
What part of this do you disagree with? Do you think it would be more Christian to launch an invasion if the removal of one man would be the lesser evil?
Would you consider it "un-Christian" to call for the assassination of Osama Bin Laden?
169
posted on
08/22/2005 7:14:10 PM PDT
by
streetpreacher
(If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
To: muawiyah
Touchy, touchy. No one is trying to smear the Catholic church. LOL
170
posted on
08/22/2005 7:14:58 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(I stick to Rovian talking points: "I love Cyborg!")
To: muawiyah
Wonderful. The report about Chavez killings I was given earlier described "thugs" who shot people in Caracas. In Kent State, we knew that the National Guard, a government entity, acted, and by their actions, killed citizens. I would say that makes the analogy I made earlier somewhat appropriate, no?
And as for "draftdodgers turning on the National Guard", I assume you don't mean me, as I am a 24 year old guy.
Thanks, and again I wait for a link and source to Chavez plotting Hitlerian genocide, as was oft-cited by people in this thread.
Thanks.
To: Brilliant
It wasn't long ago when assassination was an official doctrine of U.S. intelligence; what's so idiotic about calling for a legitimate means of force? Especially if it saves the lives of thousands...
172
posted on
08/22/2005 7:16:49 PM PDT
by
streetpreacher
(If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
To: streetpreacher
If anyone thinks that Iraq is a recruiting ground for terrorist, they should check into Venezuela.
173
posted on
08/22/2005 7:19:03 PM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
To: Lord_Baltar
I find it necessary to bring that particular word up in a discussion thread on FR quite regularly.
There's always somebody new who needs to be informed of this classic Christian heresy.
I have a series of letters between myself and Senator Glenn concerning Antinomianism. The more Liberal Presbyterians are among its most vocal adherents ~ even if they never heard of it and can't spell it right.
174
posted on
08/22/2005 7:19:20 PM PDT
by
muawiyah
(/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
To: wagglebee
Yet have you ever wondered why Christ had never told Peter not to carry a sword prior to this.
That's not the point. No one is arguing that Christians should be pacifists or that they should refrain from defending themselves. Some here are projecting their own bloodlust by saying that killing one's enemies is not only not wrong, but what God commands of us. And I'm sorry, that is not true. Christ came to preach His message of salvation, not the politics of the Republican Party or the NeoCons.
To: Conservative til I die
As if there's no other option between letting murderers go free and whacking them. There are. Just none I can see here that justify accusations of Christian hypocrisy.
What I can tell you is that Christ didn't have very much to say at all about politics. And despite how you'd like to use religion to pimp your foreign policy ideas, their is no religious objectives to be accomplished by assassinating Chavez.
How would you know?
I'm no fan of Pat Robertson. But I can find no basis for the holier than thou condemnations of his statement that I see on this board.
And again, those who believe Jesus is God incarnate, cannot separate Him from the OT God and make such across the board condemnations.
176
posted on
08/22/2005 7:21:04 PM PDT
by
Jorge
To: Rebelbase
"a man of the cloth to be calling for an assassination is way off base."
My point exactly.
WHY?
Another attempt to "muscle" a Christian of his free speech??
Hmmmmm???
177
posted on
08/22/2005 7:22:10 PM PDT
by
danamco
To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
Assassination smacks of thuggery; 5,000 Marines smacks of national resolve. That being said I am in favor of the priestly class advocating the warrior class take care of a possible threat.
Now we're talking about "possible" threats instead of actual threats? Dangerous stuff.
To: mariabush
Ah ok.. thanks for the info... Yet he has become a popular christian figure.
He just have to be careful with his statements, though i love it!
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posted on
08/22/2005 7:24:45 PM PDT
by
ChristianDefender
(If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
To: danamco
Show me where the New Testament advocates church leaders to call for assassination.
These men are supposed to lead by scriptural example, not their fleshly beliefs.
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posted on
08/22/2005 7:24:48 PM PDT
by
Rebelbase
("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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