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Report: Fetuses Don't Feel Pain
FOXNews ^ | 8/23/05 | AP

Posted on 08/23/2005 2:34:59 PM PDT by workerbee

A review of medical evidence has found that fetuses likely don't feel pain until the final months of pregnancy, a powerful challenge to abortion opponents who hope that discussions about fetal pain will make women think twice about ending pregnancies.

Critics angrily disputed the findings and claimed the report is biased.

"They have literally stuck their hands into a hornet's nest," said Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand, a fetal pain (search) researcher at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, who believes fetuses as young as 20 weeks old feel pain. "This is going to inflame a lot of scientists who are very, very concerned and are far more knowledgeable in this area than the authors appear to be. This is not the last word -- definitely not."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; cultureofdeath; fetalpain; fetus; fetuses; lies; pain; silentscream
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1 posted on 08/23/2005 2:35:02 PM PDT by workerbee
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To: workerbee

What hogwash.


2 posted on 08/23/2005 2:36:14 PM PDT by brivette
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To: workerbee

Bravo Sierra!


3 posted on 08/23/2005 2:36:14 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: workerbee

BS.


4 posted on 08/23/2005 2:36:30 PM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: workerbee

How can they possibly know that for sure?

Are these the same folks that told us that starvation is euphoric?


5 posted on 08/23/2005 2:36:53 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Hey Senator! Leave those kids alone!)
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To: workerbee

In the next breath, the jokers who will defend this study will say that fish caught on hooks and chickens bound for KFC feel pain. PATHETIC!

6 posted on 08/23/2005 2:37:44 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: workerbee
A review of medical evidence has found that fetuses likely don't feel pain until the final months of pregnancy, a powerful challenge to abortion opponents who hope that discussions about fetal pain will make women think twice about ending pregnancies.

How does this justify the murder of an innocent life?

7 posted on 08/23/2005 2:37:45 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("Kittens give Morbo gas.")
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To: workerbee

I heard this on ABC radio news on the hour. The spiel was something like "even though a fetus will react and try to pull away, the scientists said it did not have the capacity for pain until 30 weeks." Amazing (and sad) that it could be said with a straight face....


9 posted on 08/23/2005 2:38:59 PM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/3 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: workerbee

Seems like it should not be too hard to tell. Poke one and see if it reacts.


10 posted on 08/23/2005 2:39:21 PM PDT by Nateman
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To: workerbee

First: Decide what conclusions you (the liberal researcher) wants.

Then, arrange to "review" the studies that give you the results you want.


11 posted on 08/23/2005 2:39:24 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: workerbee

This is news??


12 posted on 08/23/2005 2:40:03 PM PDT by news blogger
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To: workerbee

An amoeba will attempt to avoid stimulation from electrical charges.

I can't imagine what hell these people are laying up for themselves by denying the humanity of these babies.


13 posted on 08/23/2005 2:40:22 PM PDT by OpusatFR (I think I've had almost enough....)
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To: Leapfrog; brivette; workerbee

Are these the same ppl that told us that starving to death is "euphoric"?


14 posted on 08/23/2005 2:41:42 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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To: workerbee

A quadrapleagic wouldn't feel pain if you cut off a finger, either.

That doesn't make it okay.


15 posted on 08/23/2005 2:41:56 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (Hillary Clinton IS the Great Satan.)
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To: workerbee
A twelve gage double barrel shotgun blast applied point blank to someone's head results in no pain.

The lack of pain has no bearing on whether murder is immoral.

16 posted on 08/23/2005 2:42:18 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: Nateman; xsmommy; Gabz; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; floriduh voter; MHGinTN; sweetliberty; ...
Seems like it should not be too hard to tell. Poke one and see if it reacts.

Yes, but what if it is moving only because it has hiccups?

17 posted on 08/23/2005 2:42:27 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: workerbee

Does this mean it is OK to kill someone on painkillers. Life is meaningless unless you can feel pain?


18 posted on 08/23/2005 2:42:57 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: workerbee

but trees do?


19 posted on 08/23/2005 2:43:18 PM PDT by lunarbicep (Gratitude is not only the greatest of virtues, but the parent of all the others - Churchill)
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To: workerbee
Report: Fetuses Don't Feel Pain...Therefore we can murder them without any guilt!
20 posted on 08/23/2005 2:44:05 PM PDT by sirchtruth (Words Mean Things...)
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To: workerbee

How do they come to this conclusion?

They obviously can't ask a fetus, "hey, did that hurt?"


21 posted on 08/23/2005 2:44:17 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: workerbee

"[Whew!]...It is really hot down here! [fweet!] Mom! MOM! You’re not wolfin’ down jalapeños again, are ya?! Yeah, 'cuz lemme tell ya ’bout my friend Ned...his mama ate nothin’ but spicy foods? Homeboy came out red, Ma! Bright red! So if you keep crammin’ those peppers down your neck, I might just bust out of here early...grab somethin’ on the way out, take it with me!”


22 posted on 08/23/2005 2:44:55 PM PDT by RichInOC (...got milk?)
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To: William Creel
This has always been my take...
23 posted on 08/23/2005 2:44:57 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: workerbee
I hate to admit it, but I saw this article posted at DU. Here is one sickening response on their thread: 6. What does pain have to do with abortion? We are terminating a pregnancy. Not worrying about some reflexive action.
24 posted on 08/23/2005 2:45:54 PM PDT by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: workerbee

If they are delivered at 22 weeks and feel pain, why wouldn't they feel pain at 22 weeks in the womb?


25 posted on 08/23/2005 2:45:55 PM PDT by msnimje
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To: news blogger
"This is news??"

Yes.

26 posted on 08/23/2005 2:46:57 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: workerbee

Can I give someone anasthesia then kill/torture them?


27 posted on 08/23/2005 2:47:02 PM PDT by zendari
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To: workerbee

Pain is not well understood, but it's clear that animals feel it, although they lack human self consciousness. It's inconceivable to me that fetuses don't feel it as well, at least at the point that they have developed a nervous system, which I believe is pretty early.

One researcher scoffs at the idea that he has a political agenda. Sorry, but just about everyone in academia has a political agenda these days, and there are increasingly fewer and fewer scientists who can be trusted to be objective about controversial issues. The issue that underlies this report, although it remains unmentioned, is, of course, abortion. It would be politically incorrect for pro-aborts to admit that their victims feel pain.


28 posted on 08/23/2005 2:47:47 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: workerbee

And these people feel nothing.


29 posted on 08/23/2005 2:48:15 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: workerbee

So if you anesthetize your victim so he can't feel any pain, it's okay to murder him?


30 posted on 08/23/2005 2:48:18 PM PDT by American Quilter
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To: workerbee

" While brain structures involved in feeling pain begin forming much earlier,
research indicates they likely do not function until the pregnancy's final stages,
said the report's senior author, UCSF obstetric anesthesiologist Dr. Mark Rosen."

" Likely " is the operative word- no pun intended.
Not " definitely. "
However, expect the lame stream media and the Democrats to report this as the definitive study which finally answers the question.
It also appears that Dr Rosen has found that infants aborted in the last stages of pregnancy- do feel pain.


31 posted on 08/23/2005 2:51:36 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: workerbee

Fetuses don't feel pain and neither do people on feeding tubes.


32 posted on 08/23/2005 2:51:39 PM PDT by TBP
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To: workerbee

Stop Obesity: Remove Hillary's Feeding Tube!


33 posted on 08/23/2005 2:53:08 PM PDT by GianniV
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To: workerbee

Every time I think the anti-life camp has reached bottom they come up with something that lowers their moral compass even further.


34 posted on 08/23/2005 2:53:27 PM PDT by tdewey10 (End abortion now.)
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To: workerbee

The babies try to get away from the needle in the womb.

Sick, sick, sick. Hasn't anyone seen "Silent Scream"?

And even if they didn't feel pain (which is inane - did they ask the dismembered baby?), how does that justify murder?

I am just so sickened over this article, I have no words.

I can't imagine the world in which my children and grandchildren will grow up, if this is what today looks like. I shudder to think about it.

COME, LORD JESUS!


35 posted on 08/23/2005 2:54:41 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: workerbee
A review of medical evidence has found that fetuses likely don't feel pain until the final months of pregnancy

Good. We at least agree that abortion should be stopped in the final months of pregnancy.

Now lets move on to the next point.

36 posted on 08/23/2005 2:56:36 PM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: workerbee
A review of medical evidence has found that fetuses likely don't feel pain until the final months of pregnancy

This is solid, concrete scientific evidence ?
37 posted on 08/23/2005 2:57:20 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: workerbee
A review of medical evidence has found that fetuses likely don't feel pain until the final months of pregnancy

This is solid, concrete scientific evidence ?
38 posted on 08/23/2005 2:57:20 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: linkinpunk
Good. We at least agree that abortion should be stopped in the final months of pregnancy. Now lets move on to the next point.

But it never was about pain. It's about CONVENIENCE.
39 posted on 08/23/2005 2:57:34 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: workerbee
If the sensitivity of a new born baby (we've had seven) is any indication, a fetus may feel pain far more intensely that another person who has already been born. Why? I guess because the brand new perfectly fed and functioning nervous system has experienced little sensation in the warm, floating, cushioned environment of the womb. The skin is so thin and the distance for the nerve impulses is so small. The rapidly growing brain, having never suffered the deterioration of pollution, a joint, a drink or elementary education, not yet distracted and occupied by the tools and tasks of thought, the inputs of sight or the mechanics of movement can only focus on the sensations of it's cradling surroundings and the assuring muffled sound of the mother's heartbeat. Imagine the agony of being burned and/or suddenly ripped apart while in that condition?!?!?
40 posted on 08/23/2005 2:58:50 PM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: OpusatFR

"I can't imagine what hell these people are laying up for themselves by denying the humanity of these babies."




This is exactly why the pro-death crowd is becoming laughable. In their attempts to justify and defend their position, they continue to marginalize themselves with half-assed claims. The irony is that while many may have supported the pro-choice position in the past, this extremism in defense of their position is turning many against them.


41 posted on 08/23/2005 3:00:01 PM PDT by cwb (Liberalism is the opiate of the *asses.)
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To: workerbee

The Abortion Gallery *

* Warning, gruesome!

42 posted on 08/23/2005 3:00:37 PM PDT by Michael Goldsberry (an enemy of islam -- Joe Boucher; Leapfrog; Dr.Zoidberg; Lazamataz; ...)
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To: Zechariah_8_13

i just heard this reported on the radio......goebbels would be proud


43 posted on 08/23/2005 3:03:16 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite ( Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. -Churchill)
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Wonder if Hillary would be okay if we put pictures like that on a billboard?


44 posted on 08/23/2005 3:04:13 PM PDT by GianniV
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To: Theophilus
Let me rephrase this:

Imagine the unmitigated agony of being burned and/or suddenly ripped apart while in that condition

45 posted on 08/23/2005 3:04:27 PM PDT by Theophilus (Save Little Democrats, Stop Abortion)
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To: workerbee
OK, now I'm really lost: is the ability to discern pain now the test of weather a person is a person or as on Freeper put it "a meat sack"? Do they have to feel pain every where or only in a certain percentage of the body? What about the other senses? If I can't see, am I fully human?

Life begins at conception; all other points of demarcation are arbitrary.

The only thing this "report" really illustrates is that at some level, the pro abortion crowed was concerned with the pain issue.

46 posted on 08/23/2005 3:06:57 PM PDT by conservonator
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To: workerbee
Oh, for crying out loud. Even if true, it's not the point.
47 posted on 08/23/2005 3:07:09 PM PDT by grimalkin (“They have an engine called the Press whereby the people are deceived.” - C.S. Lewis)
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To: workerbee

In the not-too-distant future, Americans will look back and shake their heads at this dark period in our history and wonder how a Mother could bring herself to kill her own child.


48 posted on 08/23/2005 3:08:04 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Proud member of the 21st century Christian Crusaders)
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To: workerbee

If a fish can feel pain it is fair to assume a fetus can.

Did they conduct fetus interviews to learn this?

Let's ask Stewie from 'Family Guy', he'll know.


49 posted on 08/23/2005 3:10:48 PM PDT by JustAnotherOkie
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In the not-too-distant future, Americans will look back and shake their heads at this dark period in our history and wonder how a Mother could bring herself to kill her own child.

I think the fact that the head of Code Pink renamed herself Medea is pretty self-explanatory.

Satan, meet your willing servants.
50 posted on 08/23/2005 3:11:51 PM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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