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Amid GOP divide on immigration, White House moves toward new plan
AP ^ | 8/27/05 | RON FOURNIER

Posted on 08/27/2005 10:23:56 AM PDT by GOPGuide

PHOENIX - Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings, President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas. People smuggled in after then would be deported.

State leaders in Arizona and New Mexico have stepped up pressure on the Bush administration and the Republican-led Congress to better police U.S. borders and deal with an estimated 10 million people who are living illegally in this country.

"They're trying to split the baby," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said of the White House plan, "and I don't think they can do that."

Bush and his advisers are caught between their supporters in the business sector, who believe the economy needs those workers, and conservatives whose priority is to clamp down on illegal immigration. The White House hopes to have a detailed proposal to Congress in late September or early October.

McCain, who ran against Bush for the 2000 GOP nomination and may seek the White House in 2008, is sponsoring a bill with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., that would create 400,000 three-year visas for guest workers. The legislation has the flexibility to add more in the future and would let undocumented workers stay in the U.S. while they apply.

A competing plan by Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., would create two-year visas and require that guest workers and illegal immigrants leave the U.S. before they can apply for the chance to work legally in the country.

Conservative House Republicans tend to favor Kyl's tougher approach. McCain mocks it.

"Turn yourself in so we can send you back to Mexico," said McCain, throwing his head back in laughter during an interview at his Arizona office last week. "It's not going to happen."

The White House seems to agree with McCain.

According to administration and congressional officials who took part in a series of White House meetings this summer, Bush does not favor requiring illegal immigrants to be sent home to apply for the visas.

In a nod to his conservative base, however, the president has rejected a part of the McCain-Kennedy bill that the White House believes would put illegal immigrants on an automatic track to citizenship, the officials said.

The officials said it was unclear how many illegal immigrants came after February 2004 or how many later had children in the U.S., conferring U.S. citizenship on those babies. The White House wants to avoid a surge of illegal immigrants who would try to beat a prospective deadline, they said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the White House has not authorized them to discuss the policy, which is subject to change.

All sides agree that illegal immigration has become a national security, humanitarian and economic crisis:

_Intelligence agencies fear terrorists could slip into the U.S. through Mexico.

_Hundreds of illegal immigrants die each year while trying to enter the U.S. Those who make it often fall prey to criminals and opportunists.

_From construction companies in Arizona to farmers in the Midwest and California, many industries need those cheap and available workers.

"Just stop at one of these construction sites and look and see who those workers are. They're all Hispanic," McCain said. "And I bet you they're illegal."

Depending on how Hispanics react, this fall's immigration debate could help determine whether Democrats or Republicans dominate the fastest-growing voting bloc in years to come.

The issue threatens to divide Democrats. Affluent, well-educated liberals are embracing immigration as part of cultural diversity. But poor Democrats, including blacks, are wary of Hispanics' growing economic and political clout.

Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano of Arizona, who supports the McCain-Kennedy bill, joined Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M., this month in declaring immigration emergencies in their states. "We just kept waiting and waiting and waiting but never did see a sense of urgency from Washington," she said.

Voters are frustrated, too, especially in the Southwest, where illegal immigration is an unsettling fact of life.

"It's sad to see Democrats doing what Republicans ought to be doing," Danielle Taylor, 24, a Republican voter in Scottsdale, said during a break from her bank job. "Napolitano may have just earned my vote."

McCain faced tough questions at a town hall meeting Thursday night in Mesa, where conservatives accused him of going soft on illegal immigrants. "No amnesty!" some shouted.

McCain says his bill does not provide amnesty. Conservatives say no better word describes allowing illegal immigrants to remain in the U.S.

Bush may face similar criticism. McCain, Napolitano and other supporters of guest workers argue that it is unrealistic to deport 11 million people.

McCain's bill would require the undocumented workers to register with the government, pay all back taxes and a $2,000 fine, then go through a series of background checks and work at least six years before applying for a green card.

The senator said he is willing to stiffen those requirements. The White House plan probably will have its own.

The White House may take the unusual step of writing the legislation or submitting specific language to Congress.


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1 posted on 08/27/2005 10:23:59 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: Happy2BMe

"I Hillary Rodham Clinton do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President..."


2 posted on 08/27/2005 10:24:47 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide
moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas.

Kiss my Buttock

3 posted on 08/27/2005 10:27:07 AM PDT by tophat9000
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To: GOPGuide
..President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas..

They're not getting it. They are just not getting it.

4 posted on 08/27/2005 10:28:02 AM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: GOPGuide
What part of illegal don't they get?
5 posted on 08/27/2005 10:28:20 AM PDT by dts32041 (Shinkichi: Massuer, did you see that? Zat˘ichi: I don't see much)
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To: GOPGuide
dubya needs to get with the program; he has done little or nothing to ameliorate this problem. anger and resentment is palpable in many western states and more.

i have supported him faithfully, as i believe he has been unflinching in the war on terror, but, for some reason, he has a weak spot where illegals are concerned.

it is possible republicans can lose an election in many states over this single issue. it is THE issue next election.

6 posted on 08/27/2005 10:28:37 AM PDT by wildwood
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To: GOPGuide
"I Hillary Rodham Clinton do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President..."

That will never happen.


7 posted on 08/27/2005 10:30:07 AM PDT by rdb3 ("That which has happened is a warning. To forget it is guilt..." --Karl Jaspers)
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To: GOPGuide
Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings, President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas. People smuggled in after then would be deported.

This insanity must be defeated at all costs. If conservatives, who elect these people into office cannot keep them from imposing unwanted policies on us and the country then there's no use in staying in the party is there?

8 posted on 08/27/2005 10:31:02 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: MrNatural

no, they are not

and blaming Bush's failed so far attitude towards illegal immigration on business interests alone is folly

it's a philosophical issue for him and some other notables (wink)


9 posted on 08/27/2005 10:31:14 AM PDT by wardaddy (thinking.....)
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To: GOPGuide
"Turn yourself in so we can send you back to Mexico," said McCain, throwing his head back in laughter............."

Has he read his own bill? It's every bit the knee-slapper.
10 posted on 08/27/2005 10:31:35 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: GOPGuide

I will support this "new" amnesty program if 100% of all Bush family asettes are included in the bill to pay the costs of these lawbreakers..... And the assettes of any other politico who chooses to support such a plan.

But that will never happen - it's not in their personal best interest.

We gripe all the time here about the DemocRATs often blatant conflict of interest/being bought and paid for by special interests, etc. Well, someone please convince me that GW and family are not in the same type of conflict here. They may not personally rely on illegals for their family fortune, but they obviously have friends and supporters (read that financial) that DO use illegals extensively. Otherwise, why would these people be so eager to throw away our nation's laws and sovereignty?

I place the lack of enforcement of our borders very close to the same level of treason as Clintoon's giveaway (sale) of our missile technology.

Right now, I am in favor of a new Joseph McCarthy - but this time, instead of a campaign to expose communists (although that would likely come out too!), this effort would be to expose treason by our nation's "leaders". The Clintons, the Bush family (don't anyone say they are totally innocent), and all other politicians and public figures who support the giveaway of our national sovereignty - regardless of their supposed political party or association.

But - we will continue on the road of "Status Quo" and one day in the not-so-distant future, we will wake up an say "what happened to our country".


11 posted on 08/27/2005 10:33:30 AM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberalism)- the cult of Satan)
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To: GOPGuide
Ron Fournier had an orgasm writing this article. He and his DNC bosses know that the illegal alien issue is ripping the GOP to shreds.

I, for one, cannot comprehend how a President who has sworn to upon the Constitution to protect this nation from foreign and domestic enemies can sit back and shrug his shoulders at the dangerous illegal problem.

We don't owe illegals anything. There shouldn't even be discussion of a "guest-worker" program.

12 posted on 08/27/2005 10:34:12 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: GOPGuide

Depends on the nominee.

I'd like to see Kyl run for President!!


13 posted on 08/27/2005 10:34:20 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: GOPGuide; Gipper08; Reagan Man; Reaganwuzthebest; EagleUSA; devolve; Stellar Dendrite
#2 - I'm not laughing - NOT ONE BIT.

George W. Bush's abandonment of the United States border with Mexico has handed the Democrates full reigns in 2008.

2006 will be a bloodlust.

14 posted on 08/27/2005 10:34:55 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: GOPGuide
The only divide I see is between "we the people" and the congresscritters who infest DC. I got news for them, thinly disguised amnesty programs ain't gonna fly this time.
16 posted on 08/27/2005 10:35:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: moehoward

The silver lining here though is that with this attitude, it's less and less likely that McCain will get the GOP nomination in 2008...


17 posted on 08/27/2005 10:36:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (Democrats - Trying to make an a$$ out of America since 1933)
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To: TheBattman; GOPGuide; moehoward
AMNESTY for VOTES.

Bush admits: "I was wrong about amnesty." (humor)

Bush’s Proposal Amounts To Amnesty For Millions of Illegal Immigrants

Bush: Let Illegals Work in U.S. (But that is not enough say illegals.)

Mark Steyn: llIegals the political 'untouchables'

Congresss ALREADY APPROVED AMNESTY – it didn’t work then, why will it now?

Stop Amnesty For Illegals

Real Message of The Bush Amnesty

Congresss ALREADY APPROVED AMNESTY – it didn’t work then, why will it now?

Tancredo Blasts Immigration Plan

The Republicans Proposing Immigration Reform (Amnesty)

Amnesty By Another Name is Still Amnesty: Bush Compounds an Immigration Disaster

Amnesty and Culture

THE BIGGEST VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT AMNESTY: THE BUSINESS LEADERS WHO SUPPORT IT

Statement from the American Federation of Government Employees on the Bush Immigration Amnesty

Rep. Kolbe (RINO-AZ) Sierra Vista Town Hall Met With Protests Against Amnesty (FReeper Organized)

Candidates on the Issues: Immigration

The false dilemma behind the Bush Amnesty

18 posted on 08/27/2005 10:36:29 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: dts32041

At some point legislation on this issue was going to reach critical mass. Now is the time for the 'majority of Americans' to voice their opposition and compel big changes to any legislation before it becomes law.

The only way I can think of is to stop funding the Republican Party across the board. Every time you get a phone call or something comes in the mail let them know you will not give them 2 cents until they take real action on immigration. That is what I have been doing for months.

I get a call, they give their 'we have to fight the Democrats' speech and can you please send us $100. I respond, do something about illiegal immigration and then call me. If we can get enough people to multiple that response they will get the message.

Maybe start a web site - stopgopfunding.com?


19 posted on 08/27/2005 10:37:05 AM PDT by DHerion
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To: tophat9000

There's only one thing that prevents me from rejecting Bush's plan outright- if we are going to have a guest-worker program (and I wish were weren't but both major plans have such a program), then if we don't allow those already here to be the guest workers, then we'll just have to import even MORE Mexicans. And that's the last thing I want.

I wish we WOULD have mass deportations, but given the political realities and the inevitability of a guest worker program, maybe Bush's program isn't as bad as, say, McCain's.


20 posted on 08/27/2005 10:37:35 AM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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To: wardaddy; MrNatural; Reaganwuzthebest; Happy2BMe; kellynla; DumpsterDiver

Rove is gunning to push Bush's approval ratings into the low 30's.

One chink in the plan though is how many Republican Congressmen are willing to go down with Bush's collapsing poll numbers.

Stay tuned...


21 posted on 08/27/2005 10:37:40 AM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

"PHOENIX - Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings, President Bush is moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas. People smuggled in after then would be deported. "

"This plan is *not* an amnesty. Incidentally, I have a wonderful bridge in Brooklyn for sale..."


22 posted on 08/27/2005 10:38:01 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: GOPGuide
"It's sad to see Democrats doing what Republicans ought to be doing," Danielle Taylor, 24, a Republican voter in Scottsdale, said during a break from her bank job. "Napolitano may have just earned my vote."

The sad thing is this uninformed woman hasn't been paying attention to all the anti illegal immigration legislation "Butch," has vetoed in the last 6 months.

23 posted on 08/27/2005 10:38:23 AM PDT by c-b 1
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To: RockinRight

And more and more he will get one from the DNC!


24 posted on 08/27/2005 10:38:57 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: GOPGuide
One chink in the plan though is how many Republican Congressmen are willing to go down with Bush's collapsing poll numbers.

There's no doubt in my mind that with oil prices the way they are and possible declining support for the war in Iraq the GOP could very well lose Congress in 2006 if they pass this nonsense. People don't want it as they see it as a threat to their livelihoods, which it is.

26 posted on 08/27/2005 10:41:39 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>I, for one, cannot comprehend how a President who has sworn to upon the Constitution to protect this nation from foreign and domestic enemies can sit back and shrug his shoulders at the dangerous illegal problem.

Here's how Cong Tom Tancredo explained it in an interview with John Hawkins of Rightwingnews.com, just prior to the last election.

Hawkins: In poll after poll, by a large margin, Americans have appeared to support cracking down on illegal immigrants. Why do we have so many people in government who still don't seem to take our immigration laws seriously?

Tancredo: Because they don't believe that people will vote on it exclusively. Most of colleagues believe that they will be able to finesse this issue. That is to say, that they will be able to tell their constituents "Yes it is a problem, we'll have to look at it," but it won't be the thing most people vote on, it won't be the ultimate issue. As long as that's the case, they can get by with finessing it.

Hawkins: But why are they finessing it? Why not just take it on?

Tancredo: There are three reasons. The Democratic Party looks at massive immigration, legal and illegal, as a source of voters. The Republican Party looks at massive immigration, legal and illegal, as a source of cheap labor, satisfying a very important constituency. The third reason, of course, is that the President of the United States is trying to create a wedge issue here and trying to get a portion of Hispanics to vote for him where they haven't in the past. So you have these three huge problems with trying to get anything done in the Congress.

27 posted on 08/27/2005 10:42:14 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: GOPGuide
"One chink in the plan though is how many Republican Congressmen are willing to go down with Bush's collapsing poll numbers."

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And it's a BIG chink.

Republicans are going to take more of a beating than Mike Tyson ever dreamed about . .

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CAFTA vote story

28 posted on 08/27/2005 10:42:20 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: GOPGuide
Bush and his advisers are caught between their supporters in the business sector, who believe the economy needs those workers, and conservatives whose priority is to clamp down on illegal immigration.

Nice try at covering for him, but that excuse doesn't fly. If the economy needs immigrant workers, then they can come here legally. There is never, ever an excuse for rewarding lawbreakers. The only people who'd be in favor of this are the ones who want to erase the border altogether.

30 posted on 08/27/2005 10:43:11 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: rdb3
Maybe, maybe not. We never thought her "husband" would be elected to the Presidency, and we had to endure that eight-year nightmare. If this bill ever gets signed into law, I can also see a Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and a Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. That should give anybody pause.
31 posted on 08/27/2005 10:43:34 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: moehoward

All this is rubbish.
Close the borders, then admit guest workers. (This way we know WHO is entering the country; we welcome them, permit them to work, and to GO HOME again when they finish. But nobody gets in without an identity check.)

Don't try and ferret out who's already here; just let them
stay. (We lost 40 million people in the last 30 years through abortion; we've only gained 10 million tops through illegal immigration.)


32 posted on 08/27/2005 10:43:55 AM PDT by CondorFlight
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To: Reagan Man; Psion; freedrudge

GOP meltdown pings ..


33 posted on 08/27/2005 10:44:04 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: GOPGuide
moving toward allowing illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. before February 2004 to qualify for guest-worker visas

And whose idea was this? Mary Poppins? And how are we going to be able to decipher just when they got here? Maybe we'll just ask them and they will tell us?

34 posted on 08/27/2005 10:44:05 AM PDT by riri
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To: GOPGuide
I'm not even sure where to start with this article, but I do consider the following to be utter B.S. I believe this information coming out does have White House approval.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the White House has not authorized them to discuss the policy, which is subject to change.

Politicians are also "subject to change."

35 posted on 08/27/2005 10:44:11 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I was thinking about the approval ratings this morning. The media attaches all things to the war in Iraq but personally I think the plummeting approval ratings are a combination of things. The media is intentionally asking the wrong questions.


36 posted on 08/27/2005 10:44:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: inquest
Unfortunately there are people on both sides of the aisle who want to do that. Someone on Free Republic said yesterday that between the illegal immigration nightmare, the Able Danger, and the Fair Tax, it will ultimately come down to a battle between the patriots and politicians. I'm afraid he was right.
37 posted on 08/27/2005 10:45:24 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Euroam
You might be on to something. There certainly are not benevolent forces at work here.
38 posted on 08/27/2005 10:45:58 AM PDT by riri
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To: GOPGuide
Struggling to pacify his party's warring wings

Huh? What wing of the Republican Party is pro illegal immigration?!

39 posted on 08/27/2005 10:46:06 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Read: "trial balloon"


40 posted on 08/27/2005 10:46:19 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: GOPGuide
..how many Republican Congressmen are willing to go down with Bush's collapsing poll numbers(?)..

This has to be our point of attack. Bush himself seems completely impervious to preventing the literal destruction of the US in it's current form, and seems completely unaware of the potential magnitude of the political fallout.

The House of Representatives is a different story. If they think this is an issue that can defeat or elect a Congressman/woman, they will break from Bush in a heartbeat.

41 posted on 08/27/2005 10:46:44 AM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: moehoward
Has he read his own bill? It's every bit the knee-slapper.

You bet it is. He doesn't think they will turn themselves in to be deported, but some how he thinks they will step forward and pay a 2K fine and back taxes??? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Silly man. He's gotta go.

42 posted on 08/27/2005 10:46:56 AM PDT by planekT (No fence, no vote.)
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To: Happy2BMe

Right here. See RE:#27.


43 posted on 08/27/2005 10:46:56 AM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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To: GOPGuide
The White House may take the unusual step of writing the legislation or submitting specific language to Congress.

The failed President of Mexico, Vicente Fox, will dictate the legislation, of course.

GWBush and those who came before him, with the help of traitors in Congress, have sold America out.

44 posted on 08/27/2005 10:47:26 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Uncle Vlad
The primary reason for the 2nd Amendment!
45 posted on 08/27/2005 10:47:37 AM PDT by Roccus (I've been described as a cynical romantic. Also a romantic cynic.)
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To: Uncle Vlad

"I'm afraid he was right."


No need to be afraid, I'm proud to see that so many people are willing to toss partisanship aside in favor of doing the right thing.


46 posted on 08/27/2005 10:47:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: GOPGuide
"From construction companies in Arizona to farmers in the Midwest and California, many industries need those cheap and available workers."

Problem is they are Illegal immigrants because they can be fired on the spot with no recourses. Americans need not apply.

My brother is a crew chief and will not hire Americans. Plenty apply but all for naught. If he hires them they want raises for good work, they want extra pay for jobs far away, but worse of all if he fires them they oft times sue.

With the Mexicans he just fires them when they stop working hard or injury themselves. Where as an American gets workers comp.

These are Jobs Americans would love to have but have no chance at. They paid over $20 / hour until they were all replaced with Illegals. Now they par $10 / hour.

Make these illegals legal and they will also demand more money, sue when fired and demand workers comp. At least Americans will then have a chance of getting a job and the wages will go up.

By the way even though wages are way down home cost way more. Only the big companies make more money off these illegals. The taxpayers and everyone else gets soaked.
47 posted on 08/27/2005 10:47:48 AM PDT by ImphClinton (Four More Years Go Bush)
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To: cripplecreek
The media attaches all things to the war in Iraq but personally I think the plummeting approval ratings are a combination of things.

It is more than just Iraq. In January 2004 when Bush first proposed this lunacy his poll ratings sunk 10 points overnight. People are aware of this issue more than he and Congress think and will not forget so easily by 2006.

48 posted on 08/27/2005 10:48:11 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: GOPGuide
Bush and his advisers are caught between their supporters in the business sector, who believe the economy needs those workers, ...

These are not ordinary, legal 'workers', these are illegal aliens.

Make that sentence "Bush and his advisers are caught between their supporters in the business sector, who believe the economy needs these illegal workers, ..." to see how absurd this sounds. American businesses do not need to be breaking the law to hire these illegals, and the president should not be proposing ways for businesses to profit from their illegal activities.

The president, as the head of the executive, should be enforcing our immigration laws against those who are blatantly flouting them by sneaking across our borders and those who are encouraging them by hiring them (and those who are now trying to encourage them to buy homes with mortgage money that largely comes from the GSEs.)

49 posted on 08/27/2005 10:48:11 AM PDT by snowsislander
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i used to think Bush was laying a nice path for conservatives to the future. it's been looking a bit more rocky lately

he has a profound disconnect on immigration...really incredible....one day, if the existing American culture is not completely subjugated, academics will talk about this:

"he was great on foreign policy and strong when American needed it, he tried to institute some tax reforms and a wee bit of cultural conservatism and had some successes but he ignored illegal immigration back when there was still a chance to do something about it."


50 posted on 08/27/2005 10:48:36 AM PDT by wardaddy (dixie deadhead)
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