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Katrina Live Thread XII
Various ^ | 31 August 2005 | Various

Posted on 08/31/2005 4:00:15 PM PDT by NautiNurse

President Bush: "We are dealing with one of the worst national disasters in our nation's history." Push has appropriated vast federal resources to assist with the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

78,000 people are currently in shelters. New Orleans evacuation continues. 10,000 additional National Guard troops have been called to service.

Hospitals are running low on supplies, and public health concerns include water borne disease, poor sanitation, food and drinking water contamination and shortages, mosquitoes, carbon monixide poisoning from electricity generators, lack of childcare, and the special needs of the elderly.

Links to various news, local and state government websites:

WLOX TV Biloxi, Gulfport, Pascagula has link to locate family and friends (very slow load)

2theAdvocate - Baton Rouge Includes Slidell, St. John Parish, St. Bernard Parish updates, and other locations.

NOLA.com

Inside Houma Today includes shelter and volunteer updates

WLBT.com Jackson MS

WALA Channel 4 Mobile, AL Includes links to distribution centers, Emergency Ops, etc.

Sun-Herald Gulfport MS Includes link to town by town reports

Gulfport News via Topix.net

WAFB Baton Rouge

Mobile Register via al.com

Mississippi updates via Jackson Ledger

Lafayette LA Daily Advertiser

Pensacola News Journal

St Bernard Local Government
Alabama Homeland Security Volunteers can sign up online
Alabama DOT
Alabama.gov
Louisiana Homeland Security
Louisiana State Police road closure info
State of Mississippi Website has traffic alerts, emergency contact numbers

Streaming Video:

WWL-TV: http://www.khou.com/perl/common/video/wmPlayer.pl?title=beloint_khou&props=livenoad

WDSU-TV: http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38843.asx"

WPMI-TV: http://www.wpmi.com/mediacenter/default.aspx?videoId=113739

WKRG-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95518

WTOK-TV (follow the link on the home page): http://www.wtok.com/

WJTV-TV: mms://wmbcast.mgeneral.speedera.net/wmbcast.mgeneral/wmbcast_mgeneral_aug262005_1435_95563

Gulf Coast Storm Network (radio): http://www.stormalert.net/main.html#


Related FR Threads:

FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread

Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

Post Hurricane Katrina IMAGES Here

Looting Begins In New Orleans

Martial Law Declared in New Orleans


Due to the number of requests to assist, the following list of some charities is provided.
This is not intended as an endorsement for any of the charities.

www.redcross.org or 1-800 HELP NOW - note: website is slow
Salvation Army - 1-800-SAL-ARMY or Salvation Army currently looking for in-state volunteers - (888)363-2769
Operation Blessing: (800) 436-6348.
America's Second Harvest: (800) 344-8070.
Catholic Charities USA: (800) 919-9338, or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org.
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: (800) 848-5818.
Church World Service: (800) 297-1516 or online at www.churchworldservice. org.
Lutheran Disaster Response: (800) 638-3522.
Nazarene Disaster Response: (888) 256-5886.
Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: (800) 872-3283.
Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is accepting donations at its 3,800 stores and Web site, www.walmart.com.

Previous Threads:

Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
Tropical Storm 12


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To: dawn53
"storm coming too fast." b.s.

These storms usually start off the coast of Africa. That's when you start watching them. There's no reason whatsoever there wasn't enough food or water. No excuses will do. The La Governor may not win re-election. SHE DIDN'T KNOW THAT YOU WATCH THE EYE????? If the storm slows down and the eye stays tight, Governor of La, you better get ready.

4,251 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:04 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: rolling_stone
Brings to mind the movie with Kurt Russell -- Leaving LA...

and, yes, Mogadishu, too.

4,252 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:11 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: conservativebabe
This was popsted roughly an hour ago: http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

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Dead bodies everywhere: convention center, down camp street, all over.

...

It's raining now and I guess that's a relief from the heat. It's hot as hell down there in the sun. Crime is absolutely rampant: rapes, murders, rape-murder combinations.

...

In case anyone in national security is reading this, get the word to President Bush that we need the military in here NOW. The Active Duty Armed Forces. Mr. President, we are losing this city. I don't care what you're hearing on the news. The city is being lost. It is the law of the jungle down here. The command and control structure here is barely functioning. I'm not sure it's anyone's fault -- I'm not sure it could be any other way at this point. We need the kind of logistical support and infrastructure only the Active Duty military can provide. The hospitals are in dire straights. The police barely have any capabilities at this point. The National Guard is doing their best, but the situation is not being contained. I'm here to help in anyway I can, but my capabilities are limited and dropping. Please get the military here to maintain order before this city is lost.

4,253 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:29 AM PDT by Jalapeno
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To: Stand Watch Listen

Some things that are important and should be added to that list:

1. Compact, lightweight handheld CB radio capable of operation on Channel 9 and Channel 19 (and batteries).
2. Compact, lightweight handheld FRS/GMRS radio plus batteries.
3. Crank/solar combo powered AM/FM radio (shortwave optional).

It's clear to me that communications are almost as important as food.


4,254 posted on 09/01/2005 10:44:57 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: txdoda

"My gang-banger looters"? What does that mean? Is that a racial remark? I'm white, if you need to know. Your rescuers? Wow, you are really full of yourself!


4,255 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:02 AM PDT by Born in a Rage
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To: floriduh voter

The woman reporting from the EOC in Baton Rouge seemed to say that there were lots of NG and others ready to go in but the area wasn't safe. Same with FEMA they say they can't go in because it's not safe.

Well, excuse me, but how is it going to get safe unless the NG goes in.

We may be seeing a political play by the local LA government to get the military in first because thugs are going to need to be taken out and the LA government doesn't want to be "blamed" for that.


4,256 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:05 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: conservativebabe
Actually, it is one big thing going wrong. The scope of devastation which is beyond the ability of the local authorities - whether in NO or Gulfport - to address and which is hampering the speed of the response from outside - Fed and otherwise.

And, in NO, a few additional factors that are worsening that situation, including extremely limited access, a lack of communications, and a large urban population.

I would bet money that there is a plan, perhaps even a very thorough plan, that you could sit down and pick through, that is rendered null and void by circumstances on the ground. That happens with plans. And plans don't get things done all by themselves. FEMA had a great plan to pre-position resources, and executed it. But now getting those resources to where they are needed is near impossible - not because of the lack of a plan, but simply because of conditions on the ground.

Yes, it is bad. It is very, very bad. But it is easy for any of us to sit at a computer with electricity and food and telephones and a shower this morning and a car and family members and friends who are safe and sound and pontificate about how we'd do it better. Easy, yes, but a waste of time and breath.

4,257 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:09 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Lizarde
One point that really needs to be noticed by authorities, everybody is that the drug addicts are out there. They have lost their suppliers. Part of these looting mobs are meth, heroin, crack addicts who are desperate for a fix.

These folks are going to be extremely dangerous as they are detoxing. Food and water isn't going to cut it for them. They NEEEED drugs. In a city the size of New Orleans, plus the surrounding areas, think folks on how many hard core drug users are jonesing really badly right now, and what kind of a problem this creates.

4,258 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:13 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: floriduh voter

Please fv...evac boats and choppers were subject to gunfire this morning. Hysterics on this thread are not going to get people out of NOLA.


4,259 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:22 AM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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To: conservativebabe
I've been reading a lot of comments here, self included.

If Clinton were president, we would be turning our outrage outward and FREEPING THE WHITE HOUSE like crazy, letting the folks at the top know our viewpoints. However, I don't know if anyone has called for a general CYBER FREEP of the White House or Homeland Security, asking them to do the things necessary that each of us is telling each other internally, that they should do. I think I have to spend some time freeping the powers that be, now.

4,260 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:30 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: untenured
A story began circulating Wednesday that a gang of bikers left New Orleans, en route to Baton Rouge to loot the city with guns stolen from Wal-Mart.

Wow there are some wild stories going around.

4,261 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:49 AM PDT by Smogger
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To: dawn53
the LA Lt. Gov. was making excuses about storm coming too fast, etc. etc.

The Lt Gov is Mary Landrieu's brother. Need I say more? :o)

4,262 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:53 AM PDT by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: Deo volente
NORTHSHORE NEWS UPDATE: Law enforcement over there have blocked every bridge and road into the area with SWAT and regular patrols to prevent "looters"(aka insurgents) from bringing their party north.

US MARINES:USMC son called me about 11 CST and was YELLING into the phone "WHY THE F^CK DON'T THEY SEND US IN TO STOP THIS SH!T NOW!!" He grew up in NOLA and Slidell.

No leadership = no control.

4,263 posted on 09/01/2005 10:45:59 AM PDT by Johnny Crab (Always thankful.)
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To: Jalapeno

Whew, that's rough stuff.

Just heard a military update...sending in some from the 82nd AB..this was per a military person on CNN


4,264 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:04 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

you can get the scanner on itunes? wow


4,265 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:06 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=rwfromkansas)
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To: girlangler

Clearly.

Guess what . . . there's no Roto Router as . . . thorough or dramatic as God.


4,266 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:17 AM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: hipaatwo
I don't know who is in charge. Guiliani was all over the place. You don't see the mayor or the Governor.

I read on another thread the mayor was not in New Orleans anymore. Does anyone have confirmation on that?

4,267 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:26 AM PDT by turbocat
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To: Smogger; Mo1; Howlin; Peach; BeforeISleep; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...

http://mfile.akamai.com/12912/live/reflector:38843.asx

Chertoff on now..


4,268 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:34 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Abigail Adams

This is an urban problem. The rest of the state and south is NOT like that.


4,269 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:41 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dems can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: Jalapeno

My stomach hurts. Is this America that this is happening in? It's insane.


4,270 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:44 AM PDT by conservativebabe (God Bless Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida)
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To: dogbyte12; gulfcoast6
Freeper gulfcoast6's daughter has contacted onyx....TOBY(gulfcoast6) made it out alive!!!!

They lost everything...

4,271 posted on 09/01/2005 10:46:59 AM PDT by Dog
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To: dawn53
Governor passing the buck again.
4,272 posted on 09/01/2005 10:47:08 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Anyone who votes for Democrats after Aug. 26, 2005 are dead to me.)
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To: epluribus_2

That's exactly what I am referring to in my posts. I say be prepared because eventually it's coming.


Just imagine how well the plans will work on the ground when this is a biological, chemical, or radiation attack against a major city. Those plans better include controlling civil disorder better than the NO democrats' plans for hurricane aftermaths.


4,273 posted on 09/01/2005 10:47:23 AM PDT by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
We would have had special forces in there putting this down 48 hours ago.

Yep, the *problems* would not now be so organized & (better) armed.

Anyone shooting @ any emergency workers should be shot.

4,274 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:07 AM PDT by txdoda ("Navy Brat")
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To: Smogger

I was there.

Were you?


4,275 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:21 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Petronski

Bookmark it. He updates all day. It's really eye opening.


4,276 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:28 AM PDT by hipaatwo (Nazis Love Mother Sheehan)
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To: Johnny Crab
OK Freepers, let's keep on turning this outward now.

From our keyboards to our elected officials. Federal, whomever. The White House.

They need to hear from us DIRECTLY now with the intensity that this internal discussion on FR has been taking place.

4,277 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:39 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: Deo volente

The president can't hear you shouting; however, I'm sure they're working out the details yesterday.


4,278 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:40 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: daybreakcoming

I'm glad he's armed. You all be very careful out there. I'm concerned we are going to see civil unrest spread to other areas.


4,279 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:40 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

I may just not be seeing it, but a radio is ESSENTIAL!


4,280 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:42 AM PDT by oldleft
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To: Cboldt

Thanks thanks.

100 posts in the thread works fine.

Thanks.

Would prefer 100 posts of thread header listings, too.

Can't effect that for some reason. Maybe due overload.

No biggy.


4,281 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:56 AM PDT by Quix (GOD IS LOVE and full of mercy HE IS ALSO JUST & fiercely HOLY. Cultures choosing death shall have it)
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To: lugsoul
I would bet money that there is a plan, perhaps even a very thorough plan, that you could sit down and pick through, that is rendered null and void by circumstances on the ground. That happens with plans. And plans don't get things done all by themselves. FEMA had a great plan to pre-position resources, and executed it. But now getting those resources to where they are needed is near impossible - not because of the lack of a plan, but simply because of conditions on the ground.

A most excellent analysis.

4,282 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:57 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Spktyr
Key words - after a disaster.

If you can, that is.

If you can't, it is pretty stupid for folks to run around saying you should have done it before the disaster.

I can tell you that the few times I've had to go for days without power, etc due to weather, my gas stove and gas fireplaces were essential survival equipment.

4,283 posted on 09/01/2005 10:48:58 AM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: OXENinFLA

:o)


4,285 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:13 AM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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To: Dog
Freeper gulfcoast6's daughter has contacted onyx....TOBY(gulfcoast6) made it out alive!!!!

That's wonderful news. While I'm sorry he lost everything, he's alive and that's what counts. So many more are not. Where there's life, there is hope.

LQ

4,287 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:31 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Stand Watch Listen

I've copied your list to my e-mail and printed it out. Thank you. I see a lot of people don't have a gun on their lists and am glad it's on yours. It's about the only thing we've prepared for, some time ago.


4,288 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:39 AM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: jeffers

Yep. I believe NO has been FUBAR'd. This is surreal.

BTW, I have enjoyed your posts. They have been full of good logical common sense. We have to keep our heads here and think this one through. It's going to be a long recovery.


4,289 posted on 09/01/2005 10:49:58 AM PDT by CajunConservative ("Dems can bus people to the polls but can't bus them out of danger to save their lives.")
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Perhaps this will wake up the jerks in the San Bernardino, CA school district who want to actually TEACH the gangsta rap language as the real African language... what is it that liberals don't understand about if you don't teach people ENGLISH and how to use it people will never get ahead in life and have decent jobs and lives.

Something needs to be done about the Gangsta Rap, too... if the FCC can fine CBS for the Janet Jackson fiasco, then they should be able to start to levy fines for music using the crude language.

4,290 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:12 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Dog
Freeper gulfcoast6's daughter has contacted onyx....TOBY(gulfcoast6) made it out alive!!!!

That's a relief. Any other FReepers unaccounted for that we know of?

4,291 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:15 AM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Dog; gulfcoast6; liberty2004

Such wonderful news...

If he needs a place to stay, direct him to the Housing thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1473656/posts where many wonderful FReepers are offering up their homes.

Has anyone heard from Liberty2004 yet? They were last heard from, bunkering down in Metairie.


4,292 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:22 AM PDT by cgk (We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)
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To: lugsoul

I would just hope that my elected officials would do a better job of protecting me and my community. This is a dismal failure in every sense of the word.

You are right that we can sit around and criticize, but, time will tell, facts will eventually come out, and we'll have to wait and see if more could have been done.

Meantime, if you wish to pick a fight with me, I'm not interested. I only know what I see and am reacting to it just like everyone else.


4,293 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:25 AM PDT by conservativebabe (God Bless Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida)
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To: Pyro7480
19lbs???

Just posted and provided a link so that some that have questions may research and prepare for themselves.

As I placed a 'caveat''...one has to discern their own situation, their own hazards. One has to consider whether to make out a Bug Out Bag for a few days, a week or longer.
Naturally weight will exponentially go up with the duration one wants to prepare for and also the number of people involved.

AND!!!..You also have to remember, nowadays any civic/locale/state 'shelter will surely confiscate many of the items on the aforementioned list.

4,294 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:30 AM PDT by Stand Watch Listen
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To: All

FROM WWL

Updates as they come in on Katrina

12:45 PM CDT on Thursday, September 1, 2005

Tom Planchet

12:43 P.M. - Kim Nunemaker, St. Bernard Ave. Specialty Hospital: 26 bed-ridden patients and 40 staff members have to evacuate from the building. They need assistance moving these patients down several flights of stairs because the elevator is broken. Anyone who can help is asked to come to 3700 St. Charles Avenue immediately.


4,295 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:39 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)
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To: Peach

Peach,

I had to make myself get away from the computer & tv for a while - but now I'm chomping at the bite - what's the latest? Thanks


4,296 posted on 09/01/2005 10:50:50 AM PDT by LadyBuzz
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To: turbocat

Hard to keep track but I think I read somewhere on this thread maybe he's in Baton Rouge now.


4,297 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:06 AM PDT by hipaatwo (Nazis Love Mother Sheehan)
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To: Quix
I'm convinced that the violence and corruption in high places are one significant reason that God allowed NOLA to be next.

Both are extremely offensive to Him. He can tolerate it only so long before letting REAPING WHAT WAS SOWN is allowed to kick in.

The people dying aren't the corrupt ones in office they have escaped with their full pockets. What about those in MS was it sent there because of sinful casinos? What about fires & quakes in Calif.? Aids? All sent to sinners? Kinda like firing a shotgun into a crowd because of one bad person..lots of Innocent people get killed or hurt.

Same thing was said about the San Francisco Earthquake in 1906. "'The Lord sent it, the Lord!' Hard to believe an all powerful and all compassionate God sent this disaster because some have reaped what they sown..what about the rest, did they sow this? I'm not convinced.

4,298 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:30 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Lizarde

Chertoff just confirmed shooting of national guardsman in leg during the overnight (reported here on FR about 11 hours ago) . . .


4,299 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:37 AM PDT by LikeLight
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To: NautiNurse

I know they are being shot at. I am responding to other posters who seem to agree with me. This is a disaster of biblical proportions, wouldn't you agree? I think it's appropriate to call our U.S. Representatives. Remember, there were guns pointed at people in Pinellas Park but they were pointed at us by LE. Nobody wants to get shot. Nobody wants to die on the steps of the convention center either.


4,300 posted on 09/01/2005 10:51:41 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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