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Hurricane Relief Idea -- Contribute Guns and Ammo to Law Abiding Homeowners!
Vanity Press ^ | 09-01-05 | cww

Posted on 09/01/2005 7:49:11 AM PDT by CWW

The one lesson the scenes of looting in New Orleans have hammered home is that the Founding Fathers knew what they were doing when they enacted the Second Amendment to the Constitution. They knew from experience that there is only a thin veneer between a civilized society and utter anarchy.

How many of us live in a city or town where we know that but for the precence of the police, we would be looking at the same type of lawlessness playing itself out on our televisions this week?

I for one am going to go out and purchase a shotgun. I'll be damned if I'm going to let some punk threaten my family and rob me a gun or knifepoint.

Seems to me that the best hurricane relief we can provide to the good folks of New Orleans and Biloxi, is a gun and some ammunition to guard what's left of their homes and business.

So thank you Founding Fathers for your foresight. We have looked into the belly of the beast, and it's not a pretty sight!


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1 posted on 09/01/2005 7:49:13 AM PDT by CWW
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To: CWW

And businesses too.

I think the police (what few there are) should have orders to shoot to kill.


2 posted on 09/01/2005 7:50:54 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: CWW

Mossberg or Remington pump 12 gauge with fibergalss stocks and a Glock 32 as a back-up.


3 posted on 09/01/2005 7:51:25 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: CWW

4 posted on 09/01/2005 7:51:35 AM PDT by RockinRight (What part of ILLEGAL immigration do they not understand?)
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To: CWW

At this point, only martial law and the military can deal with the situation in the city itself. And I imagine that folks in smaller towns are mostly well-armed and capable of dealing with whoever tries to mess with them.


5 posted on 09/01/2005 7:51:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: CWW

Comment: Mossberg 590 with the ghost-ring sight and 9 round magazine.


6 posted on 09/01/2005 7:52:25 AM PDT by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: CWW

Told my husband last night we needed to add more ammo to our disaster kit.

He said "More guns too!"

He's right.


7 posted on 09/01/2005 7:53:40 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: CWW
Living in Chicago, it terrifies me to think of what would happen to me if something terrible broke out in the city- a natural disaster or terrorist attack resulting in these conditions. Average citizens would be at the mercy of the thugs, since we cannot carry handguns.

Makes me want to move back to Iowa.

8 posted on 09/01/2005 7:53:52 AM PDT by RushCrush (When will Clinton come back from his vacation in Hawaii?)
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To: All

It's easy to criticize the looters when you're safe and sound in your home, and not hungry or thirsty. If you were dying of thirst and had a family who was starving you'd probably loot a store too.


9 posted on 09/01/2005 7:55:14 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: CWW

Covers an entire block radius :)

10 posted on 09/01/2005 7:56:14 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: CWW

Some co-workers and I were discussing this earlier this morning. I half-jokingly made the comment that in the case of some kind of disaster in my area that I don't have nearly enough ammunition at my home. I now think I shouldn't have been joking when I made that statement.


11 posted on 09/01/2005 7:56:30 AM PDT by day10 (Rules cannot substitute for character.)
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To: Decombobulator
Give me a break. I don't have as much a problem with those folks seeking out food, water, diapers, ect. But it's a whoe different story when they are breaking into historic homes on St. Charles and walking out with antiques, jewelry, etc.
12 posted on 09/01/2005 7:58:37 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: Decombobulator

THAT is why you store NON PERISHABLE items and bottled water BEFORE it happens. You can also store water for six months in containers with 8 drops of household bleach (plain type) and then capped off. I bought 5 5 gallons COLLAPSABLE containers online and in a threat they get filled up. I have a trunk of rice, beans, etc, ready to be cooked over a small charcoal stove.

It's called BEING PREPARED.

Also, I have a lot of guns to defend the castle with.


13 posted on 09/01/2005 7:59:53 AM PDT by highlymotivated (If American ever falls, a STINKING LIBERAL will be behind it.)
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To: Decombobulator
If you were dying of thirst and had a family who was starving you'd probably loot a store too.

I'd probably be focusing on food and water, not plasma TVs, jewlery, booze, and racks of clothes.

Apparently, Louisiana law (and Christianity, and common sense) distinguish between people obtaining food and water during a time of disaster by any means neccesary to survive and people stealing everything not nailed down due to a sense of entitlement. I REALLY hope that a lot of these looters are shot...

14 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:14 AM PDT by jscd3
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To: CWW

Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities.


15 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:14 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: CWW

How would you know who was a law abiding homeowner and who was a thug seeking to loot- you could'nt exactly drop guns and ammo from a helicopter.


16 posted on 09/01/2005 8:01:16 AM PDT by LWalk18
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To: highlymotivated

How many Americans actually store food and water for emergencies? I'm guessing 0.0001%. Besides, New Orleans is a pretty poor area, most of those people live in apartments, they don't have room to store supplies.


17 posted on 09/01/2005 8:03:09 AM PDT by Decombobulator
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To: Decombobulator

Looting a store of food, water, medicine etc..., except by a few, is not being critisized nor what is refered to here.

We're talking of people looting TV's, VCR's, etc...and that is not justifiable as needed for "survival".


18 posted on 09/01/2005 8:04:04 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: All

A Glock 17 like mine, plus several high capacity magazines, A Mossberg 590 or A Remington Marine Magnum 870 and a Ruger 10-22 for shooting little critters..that's my plan for domestic discord armament.

You really can get all the stuff you need short of the Glock at Wal Mart. They have numerous suitable shotguns, and ammo is reasonably priced. A couple of weekends ago our area store was selling 500 round bricks of Remington 22 LR hunting ammo for $8.00. You can get cases of 12 ga shotgun shells there reasonably priced and 9mm practice ammo is $6.99 a box.

I dont have nearly enough shotgun shells or 22 LR ammo. I need to get more.


19 posted on 09/01/2005 8:05:05 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Cindy Sheehan, American Traitor)
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To: CWW

I can't convince my wife to get a gun for the house...sigh.


20 posted on 09/01/2005 8:05:18 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: Decombobulator

Or maybe they are criminals looking at the disaster as an opportunity to take high price items they didn't earn which IS the case.


21 posted on 09/01/2005 8:05:45 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Decombobulator
Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities.

That is theft. Trade your labor or something you own for food and necessities. Stealing the private property of others is wrong.

22 posted on 09/01/2005 8:06:40 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Decombobulator

"It's easy to criticize the looters when you're safe and sound in your home, and not hungry or thirsty. If you were dying of thirst and had a family who was starving you'd probably loot a store too."

Yes, because I need a new flat screen tv to survive.

Oh, and jewelry. Don't forget about the jewelry. It's small, valuable, easy to carry, and high in protein, or so I've heard.

The situational ethics displayed on this board are disgusting.


23 posted on 09/01/2005 8:07:54 AM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on FREE republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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To: Decombobulator
It's easy to criticize the looters when you're safe and sound in your home, and not hungry or thirsty. If you were dying of thirst and had a family who was starving you'd probably loot a store too.

Looters drive off with a trunk full of beer after raiding a Rite Aid Drug Store in New Orleans on Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005. Police officers came by a short time later and stopped at the drug store which had been forced open by someone driving a fork lift truck but did little to stop the looters who were taking food from the store.

24 posted on 09/01/2005 8:09:22 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: day10

Ive always got 3-5 cases of ammo on hand for my weapons.... And when I run out of bullets I got sharp, long knives for some up close and personal work....


25 posted on 09/01/2005 8:10:14 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: highlymotivated
Also, If all of the stores were empty prior to the storm because people were buying up all of the supplies, why is the looting so rampant?
26 posted on 09/01/2005 8:11:05 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: CWW
Forgedbotit. The MSM are in a full, "when in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout" panic mode. A suggestion such as yours will flip them out.

Who do you give the weapons to? The victims and wannabe perps are totally intermixed. Such a scenario would arm as many, if not more perps, as upright citizens. Who is to be responsible for handing out the weapons to untrained and unknown persons? I can already hear the MSM screaming that racists are getting weapons to subdue poor starving Blacks.

I would wager there are some sicko hate America domestic Islamist Nazis who are firing on the rescuers doing all they can to exacerbate this horrible disaster.
27 posted on 09/01/2005 8:12:02 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: One Proud Dad
Good thread over at Tactical Forums,

Remington M870P vs. Mossberg M590A1

helped me make my mind up.

28 posted on 09/01/2005 8:12:07 AM PDT by cryptical
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To: Decombobulator
Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities.

Hah! that's a friggin riot! (pun only slightly intentional.)

29 posted on 09/01/2005 8:13:05 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (This ain't your granddaddy's America)
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To: Decombobulator
These thugs aren't stealing food and water. They are stealing TV's, jewels, and the like. They are also hindering relief efforts.

And no, I wouldn't loot a store in that situation, but I may be stopping a few looters with a 12 gauge and .45.

30 posted on 09/01/2005 8:16:42 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Draft Mark Sanford for President - 2008)
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To: Decombobulator

"Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities."

Haha too funny. If they could think ahead that well they would have been bright enough to evacuate.


31 posted on 09/01/2005 8:18:05 AM PDT by takbodan (AP Help)
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To: highlymotivated
Mormons, (of which I am not one) love them or hate them. But, all Americans would be well advised to emulate the measures all Mormons take for having longterm emergency essential food, water and survival supplies on hand.
32 posted on 09/01/2005 8:18:13 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Decombobulator
Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities.

Right, and the Lions are going to win the Super Bowl this year.

33 posted on 09/01/2005 8:18:30 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Draft Mark Sanford for President - 2008)
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To: frogjerk

"Looters drive off with a trunk full of beer"

Actually beer makes sense since the water is undrinkable.


34 posted on 09/01/2005 8:21:11 AM PDT by takbodan (AP Help)
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To: Decombobulator
Looting for food and water from closed stores can be acceptable when there is no other way eg: charities, pantries, etc. Looting and robbery/car jacking jewelry stores and tv's is totally unacceptable. and one warning disregarded deserves center of mass disposal, you dont give a$$wipes a second chance when anarchy becomes the norm.
35 posted on 09/01/2005 8:23:47 AM PDT by bdfromlv (Leavenworth hard time)
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To: CWW

On the surface your idea has merit. There are, however, some problems with it. I would not want one of my firearms going into the hands of someone I don't know. Is this person qualified to handle the firearm? Does he or she have some sort of criminal background or mental problem that would make him or her a menace to those around them?

If those "law-abiding homeowners" are good citizens they should have already owned the firearms with which to protect their families, their property, and themselves. In this post-9/11 world everyone should be in a self-defense frame of mind. In my gun safe are a number of semi-automatic long guns, along with sufficient ammunition. The ammunition is not boxed, but is in bandoleers on stripper clips, ready to be stripped into magazines in an instant. Better safe than sorry.


37 posted on 09/01/2005 8:30:07 AM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: takbodan
Actually beer makes sense since the water is undrinkable.

When doesn't beer make sense?

38 posted on 09/01/2005 8:31:18 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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You bet...and I would leave an IOU or at the very least keep track of what my family took...and make sure that as soon as we were on our feet we would begin paying back the debt...that we owed to the person who saved our lives by not killing us for taking food and water or clothing etc

But drugs to get high on....Valium,Oxycontin,Demerol, and VIAGRA?...give me a break...

50" Plasma TVs,....car stereos?....not to mention killing a police officer who tried to stop such theft?...

nope...shoot the looters..and the looting will stop...

Private property the right to it and to be safe and secure in our property and possessions is the heart of American's freedom..

Shoot the looters, hang their corpses from lamposts and place signs around their necks..."GOOD LOOOTER"

Funny how the anti personal defense,anti war,pro aborts, and right to die folks are so worried about scum bags lives

39 posted on 09/01/2005 8:37:41 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: CWW

Managers of stores selling firearms and/or ammo should lock away all that merchandise as soon as it's apparent that a mega-storm is going to hit.


40 posted on 09/01/2005 8:41:02 AM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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To: Spann_Tillman

No, no, no -- I did not say that. I said that I could understand someone looting a grocery store for food (not that it's right), but that there is no excuse for stealing TVs, VCRs, jewelry, etc... Sheesh. Common sence -- get some!


41 posted on 09/01/2005 8:42:49 AM PDT by CWW (Mark Sanford for President on 2008!)
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To: Decombobulator
Maybe they're only stealing jewelery, etc so that they can trade it for food and other basic necessities.

That may be the single most idiotic statement I have read at this site. And I am included zot-bait vanity rants from DU trolls. I'm trying to come up with a comparison for how devoid of credibility that sentence is, but analogies fail me. The only thing close is an Eddie Murphy stand-up bit where his wife/girlfriend catches him cheating and he keeps saying, "Wasn't me, baby." She says, I followed you to the hotel. Saw you get out of the car and walk to the room. "Wasn't me, baby." etc., etc.

42 posted on 09/01/2005 8:44:19 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: CWW
Hmm lets see Mossberg 500,and Tuarus PT-145 for the wife, and Baretta 92F, with a CETME for me, several mags, and lots of extra ammo for all of them. We also have water tight storage boxes with 7 days worth of food, propane and propane stove and other incidentals.
Living in Virginia Beach, through Hurricane Isabel taught us alot!
43 posted on 09/01/2005 8:52:47 AM PDT by Bottom_Gun (Crush depth dummy - proud NRA member & Certified Instructor)
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To: CWW
Remington 870 Police, a Surefire forearm (or other highly rated tactical light), 7-8 shot extended tube magazine and few cases of 000,00,#4 Buckshot (nickel plated buck shot)

Tactical Shotguns Forum


44 posted on 09/01/2005 8:53:19 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: CWW
Since we have chosen to import a lot of those folks to Houston,
I reckon I'll be needing all my guns and ammunition myself.
45 posted on 09/01/2005 8:55:30 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: joesnuffy

A pistol is useful for fighting your way to your rifle

Get a shotgun, and an AR15 spare parts, lots of ammo and practice, practice,practice

Take a good pistol, shotgun, and tactical carbine course.


46 posted on 09/01/2005 8:55:35 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth
Dont forget arrows...very quiet and you can recover and use again....

Also putting one through the neck of a terrorist/looter/home invasion/rapist/muderer/gang banger thereby pinning him to a tree is bound to be very discouraging to his broze...

imo

47 posted on 09/01/2005 9:03:36 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Save the whales. Redeem them for valuable prizes.)
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To: takbodan

all the more reason to be a homebrewer. multiple cases plus corny kegs for just such a situation...


48 posted on 09/01/2005 9:04:42 AM PDT by castlebrew (true gun control is hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: CWW
I was telling my wife the same thing. I have a S & W .357 handgun but I think a shot gun would make a lot of sense as added armament. Also I plan to beef up my meager supply of food and ammo.
49 posted on 09/01/2005 9:29:44 AM PDT by BubbaBobTX (I wasn't born in Texas but I got here as fast as I could.)
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To: Decombobulator
If you were dying of thirst and had a family who was starving you'd probably loot a store too.

And leave with as much as I could carry -- or push in a cart -- of jewelry, liquor, designer clothes, TVs, etc? No way!

Wake up! Many of those thugs are just acting out the filth that has saturated their so-called "minds" during years of polluting their environment with (c)"rap" "music".

50 posted on 09/01/2005 10:28:49 AM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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