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Posted on 09/01/2005 11:49:46 AM PDT by NYleatherneck

New Orleans hospital halts patient evacuations after coming under sniper fire...


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To: ridesthemiles

****Anyone see the movie "Mad Max" recently? This sure seems like a smaller version....possibly to grow to a larger version.****

This also reminds me of the Stephen King novel The Stand.


101 posted on 09/01/2005 12:10:30 PM PDT by wndycndy (Beagles For Bush!)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Is this really true? I mean the initial reports of helicopters under sniper fire were not supported by the National Guard... Sounds like mass hyteria is starting...


102 posted on 09/01/2005 12:10:38 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Rodney King

Me, me, me, me, I'll go.


103 posted on 09/01/2005 12:10:57 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (The Imperial Federal Government is your worst enemy! Don't give in to them!)
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To: SaveTheChief

Some reporters have said that criminal gangs were planning to go in and loot New Orleans immediately after the hurricane.

Americans need to know if indeed criminal gangs are the ones responsible for the chaos.


104 posted on 09/01/2005 12:11:06 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: NYleatherneck
Just a fact. Sixty-seven percent of the population is black. What has happened to almost all inner cities is a part of black culture. Not trying to be a racist, but stating facts that we all know. They are easily proved. Many black people overcome great odds and become great Americans. They do so by first becoming civilized in their behavior. Any society must behave in a civilized way to succeed. This is also the reason for the urban blight. Civilized people with families will naturally flee from those who act like savages. There are plenty of white people who refuse to be civilized in their behavior and are known as white trash. Those who behave like savages in the good times will behave even worse in the bad times whatever the color of their skin.
105 posted on 09/01/2005 12:11:08 PM PDT by badpacifist (Question Authority of public schools. Which thought police have your kids?)
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To: Abathar

Martial law has not been declared. All troops are subject to civilian authority (federal and local).


106 posted on 09/01/2005 12:11:13 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: newbeliever
EVERY able bodied man or woman who stayed behind should be charged with manslaughter.

I would bet that you live far, far, far, away from the coast.
107 posted on 09/01/2005 12:11:24 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: cspackler
No, silly, not the entire guard. Sheesh.

I'm not sure how to indicate sarcasm on here (obviously), but my intent was to mimick a brainless lib argument about how misspent our military is.

108 posted on 09/01/2005 12:12:37 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: NormB

My father called me sonny... Once.


109 posted on 09/01/2005 12:13:07 PM PDT by NYleatherneck
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To: NYleatherneck

? Allah uuaaaakkkkk barf fight against the Great Satan's infedels?


110 posted on 09/01/2005 12:13:32 PM PDT by SevenDaysInMay (Federal judges and justices serve for periods of good behavior, not life. Article III sec. 1)
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To: luvbach1

So the question is, are the NG troops "real" enough soldiers to handle the situation? I have great respect for those NG troops who have served in the Sand Box, but fear for those who have never seen anything like this before. We used to call them the K-Mart Army once upon a time. The name didn't fit all of them, but it did fit many...

Hey, luv - wave at the ocean for me if you would. I just left SD last week and apparently got my flight out just in time.


111 posted on 09/01/2005 12:13:42 PM PDT by armyavonlady
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To: RightWhale

shooting at hospital workers and NG in helicopters trying to help people out of hospital is beyond words to describe.

Bring in the snipers, bring in the military. Kill anyone running around with weapons.

This is america. Not some 3rd world banana republic.


112 posted on 09/01/2005 12:13:47 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Brilliant

You heard, didn't you, that they released all the inmates from the NO jail earlier in the week? They're probably cracked-up or speeding by now, like `skinnies' on chat. If armed, they probably can't hit the side of a building and they have no RPGs, at least that we know of.
I saw the Louisiana governor on TV just before the storm hit. She didn't look like she could run a two-car funeral.
This situation can only get worse. Someone has to make the decision to assault these people shooting rescuers, and make them dead. Now.


113 posted on 09/01/2005 12:13:51 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Deetes

Never underestimate the lure of a flat screen tv to someone who is brainwashed into mindless consuming by twelve hours of television viewing daily.

And I apologize for the awkward sentence.


114 posted on 09/01/2005 12:14:05 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: truthingod

Right on....! Only thing is these people think the Government owes them everything!


115 posted on 09/01/2005 12:15:41 PM PDT by Die_Hard Conservative Lady (Close the borders.....)
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To: ridesthemiles

Like virtually every other social ill, much of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of the libs.


116 posted on 09/01/2005 12:15:44 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Acts 2:38
It's my fault, as a European-American, that non European Americans are acting this way.

AMEN!!!

Earlier this week a non European American went out of his way in his car to cross the center line and spit at me as I road my bicycle home from the store carrying some pop. I admit that I'm damaged goods after that.

119 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:13 PM PDT by biblewonk (Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition,)
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To: Cicero
I would not rule out terrorist cells in the usa seeing this as an opportunity to make a trouble. No sane criminal or criminal gang would fire on Rescue helicopters, just does not make sense. However a terrorist under the cover of lawless, flooded city would see it as a target of opportunity. Whatever, send in Special Forces to take'em out before they lose themselves in the exodus.
120 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:24 PM PDT by jpsb
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Kill anyone running around with weapons.

So much for the Second Amendment and the poor homeowner trying to protect his family or business. What other freedoms are you eagar to surrender?
121 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:27 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Yeah. Strange to think that there is more shooting and crime going on in NO now than in Baghdad. Does every city have this kind of deadwood? Not all? Many, though.


122 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:32 PM PDT by RightWhale (Cloudy, 31 degrees, frost, wind <5 knots in Fairbanks)
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To: armyavonlady

Well, I don't think ANYONE has seen anything like this before, but the Guard at least has manpower, equipment, supplies, organization and structure to respond as needed.


123 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:39 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: AliVeritas

"I'm ready to lock and load and take a ride... anybody else wanna come?"

Lock and Load. I would have brought my PSG-1 but had to sell it to pay some bills. My H&K USP will work just fine lets get up close and personal.


124 posted on 09/01/2005 12:17:51 PM PDT by Syntyr
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To: NYleatherneck

That must be your name then....Sonny!

Actualy I wasn't referring to you, I was just saying it.
But if you want me to call you sonny I can...


125 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:09 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: Dallas59
SEND IN THE GD ARMY!

Unless you want to suspend the constitution they CAN'T!

126 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:21 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("You must call evil by it's name" GW Bush ......... It's name is Terror)
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To: ridesthemiles
Yes- it is true the social welfare system is largely to blame for what we are seeing- and then there are the Democrats to blame.... I know for sure as in 100%.

I used to be one.

They will say the "white man" is keeping them down- but who is it that is preventing their own elderly and children from being rescued and getting treatment at local hospitals- I guarantee it is not the "white man".

I like to remind everyone that it is the same segment of our society who never produce anything anyway-they never have and never will. There are people of all skins types out there risking their lives to save others.

127 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:23 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks!)
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To: flashbunny
NO was poorly managed from the beginning

John Timoney, Miami Chief of Police and a veteran of the NYC Blackout of 1977, said the same on last night's John Batchelor show.
128 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:34 PM PDT by sono
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

"I think they've probably convinced themselves they are acting as revolutionaries and trying to change the system they have been programmed to hate"

they probably couldn't form that thought. They are just using it as an excuse to vent and shoot at things/people. Probably wacked out on all tt Oxycontin the stole yesterday.


129 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:40 PM PDT by Syntyr
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To: tumblindice

Oh the jails were emptied? That may explain a lot.


130 posted on 09/01/2005 12:20:08 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: luvbach1

Oops, got my wires crossed, maybe I heard wishfull thinking.


131 posted on 09/01/2005 12:20:48 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: NYleatherneck

NEWS FLASH: New Orleans is a dangerous place, always has been. Even when it was "normal" walking off on the wrong street was taking your life in your hands. When I worked at Charity (the big free) 30 years ago it was not uncommon to have tourists come in mugged after walking a few block away from Bourbon street in the wrong direction. Call it what you want for whatever reason you want but there is a subculture of violence there which has now been given free reign. I pity the few poor souls there who really are victims. If the compassion of those who have developed the voting farm there really was genuine they would have already issued shoot on sight orders for the predators. The pictures are doing more than could ever been said in the MSM to educate the country regarding the urban criminality they have so long pandered to. Sorry for the rant but I can't stand what I am seeing in my old city.


132 posted on 09/01/2005 12:20:53 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: RightWhale
I don't know if you've visited NO--part of the charm is a certain seediness. That, and being able to get a big bowl of rice and beans as fast food...

When I heard that a judge in Houston had done all the arranging to bring in the refugees from the Super Bowl to the Astrodome...I shuddered. Houston doesn't know what is about to hit them, though I admire their gumption. NO has a dysfunctional underclass like no place else in the US...except maybe Newark...

133 posted on 09/01/2005 12:20:55 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: NormB

It was a line from a movie. Can't remember which one.

Just a goof.


134 posted on 09/01/2005 12:20:55 PM PDT by NYleatherneck
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To: NYleatherneck

Johnny Dangerously


135 posted on 09/01/2005 12:21:39 PM PDT by DeeOhGee (Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati)
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To: cspackler

Please investigate comments like this before posting. The entire National Guard IS NOT in Iraq........That would be stupid!!!

http://www.ngb.army.mil/


136 posted on 09/01/2005 12:22:32 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: sono

Well, I'm gald for him that he's agreeing with me!

If they had made it clear that evacuation was mandatory and that any -ANY looters would be shot on sight, things would have been much, much better. less crime, violence, rapes, and a more efficient rescue and relief operation.

And in all likleyhood, they probably wouldn't have had to shoot anybody - or if they did, maybe a few people to get the message out.

Now some people here may (and have) called me a nazi for suggesting this, but many more lives would have been saved with that approach than with the secondary disaster that is going on now.


137 posted on 09/01/2005 12:22:45 PM PDT by flashbunny (Defending the free market on free republic is like having to defend the flag at a VFW convention.)
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To: armyavonlady
So the question is, are the NG troops "real" enough soldiers to handle the situation?

Good question. Perhaps it would take hardened returning (from Iraq) NG troops, from whom much has already been asked. But I'm sure 100s would still be willing to volunteer.

138 posted on 09/01/2005 12:23:13 PM PDT by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: flashbunny
There has been no authoritative person in the state of Louisiana who has stepped up and "taken charge". There's been no Mayor Rudy, no Gov. Keating, they all seem to be too busy with their own personal problems. I could not believe Mary Landrieu felt the citizens of NO would be interested in whether she "got her own family to safety".

I agree. The entire situation has been mismanaged, on a local level, from the git go. Does this mean that since federal help is "there to support local officials" that their efforts will also be mismanaged? I certainly hope not.

If the Mayor/Governor felt it would be "bad publicity" to declare "martial law", perhaps they'll reconsider when the Army has to go in to reclaim the city. What idiots! I hope the people of NO consider carefully next time they vote----if they ever again get to vote in a local election.
139 posted on 09/01/2005 12:24:04 PM PDT by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
The charges of "Ethnic Cleansing" have already started from the Other Side. Show me ANY politician that has the bravery to declare Martial Law and start shooting voters.

The water will evaporate, the houses will burn or be eaten by termites, the bodies will rot away or be cremated, even the smell will fade, but the mayor or governor who orders a shoot to kill will be infamous forever.

140 posted on 09/01/2005 12:24:41 PM PDT by jonascord (What is better than the wind at 6 O'clock on the 600 yard line?)
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To: NYleatherneck
Wasn't that a line from the TV series M*A*S*H?  That weird, overzealous Colonel (flagg?) says it, doesn't he?
141 posted on 09/01/2005 12:24:50 PM PDT by softwarecreator
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To: McGavin999

OMG! CNN reporter getting shot at? Outside the SD?


142 posted on 09/01/2005 12:25:48 PM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: freepertoo

The kooks really come out of the woodword in situations like this. How's that tinfoil hat fitting?


143 posted on 09/01/2005 12:25:57 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: softwarecreator

I think you may be right on that one.


144 posted on 09/01/2005 12:26:18 PM PDT by NYleatherneck
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To: NYleatherneck

I wasn't sure, some WW2 vets I know would take offense to that!
I almost responded Fargin Icehole, but I was even more worried!

God bless!


145 posted on 09/01/2005 12:26:47 PM PDT by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: TheBigB

"WHYWHYWHY?? Even if they're looters, what could possibly cause anyone to see an advantage in shooting at folks trying to evacuate from a hospital!"

I would say one cause is the absence of law but civilized people don't behave this way under any circumstances. This is different. This tragedy has revealed that a substantial fraction of the population in N.O. were essentially feral. They have no sense of morality, compassion or decency. It shows alot about the current state of inner city dwellers and how quickly things turn into a Mad Max film when the veil of civilization is stripped away. Perhaps N.O. should be re-named "Bartertown".


146 posted on 09/01/2005 12:26:56 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments)
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To: truthingod
"It sounds to me like these people are showing what has gone wrong in America with the liberals in charge [in Louisiana]."
147 posted on 09/01/2005 12:26:57 PM PDT by mjtobias (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Mamzelle

Yeah, they got something special alright. It probably won't have the same charm when they move the act to another venue.


148 posted on 09/01/2005 12:27:50 PM PDT by RightWhale (Cloudy, 31 degrees, frost, wind <5 knots in Fairbanks)
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To: Peach
The military can assist with rescue, but they cannot operate with law enforcement to quell unrest

George Wallace thought the U.S. military couldn't intervene in Alabama either. He found out otherwise.

149 posted on 09/01/2005 12:29:00 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: edmond246
Jerry Springer Radio (which replaced Glen Beck in my area) today was saying that if our troops weren't in Iraq then we'd have saved everyone already. It's sad and rediculus, I just hope it turns out to be nothing.

The joke's on Jerry - his entire audience is now berift of the use of their televisions.

150 posted on 09/01/2005 12:29:01 PM PDT by The Duke
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