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HURRICANE KATRINA- archive of links
various FR links & stories | 09-02-05 | the heavy equipment guy

Posted on 09/02/2005 3:35:55 AM PDT by backhoe

 To view all related posts, use the "keyword database"--
 Katrina Live Thread, Part XIII
 Previous Threads:
Katrina Live Thread, Party XII
Katrina Live Thread, Part XI
Katrina Live Thread, Part X
Katrina Live Thread, Part IX
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VIII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VII
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part VI
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part V
Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part IV
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part III
Katrina Live Thread, Part II
Hurricane Katrina Live Thread, Part I
And a special hattip to our own  NautiNurse  who started and maintained the above valuable posts--
First off, let's debunk and defang the myth, meme, shibboleth and current hot talking point that "It's ALL Bush's Fault"--
 I have heard many leftists say that Bush slashed $20 million from FEMA funds that would have been used to reinforce the levee system in New Orleans.
MSM: Take Note - Clinton's Contribution to the Katrina Disaster ( Must Read )
 The Federal Register ^
 People have been talking for years about what would happen should a hurricane this size hit that city, and I'd be willing to bet you there were lots of federal dollars passed from hand to hand over the years to prepare for this.
I will be astounded if some of those reporters don't ask the obvious questions: Where did the money go, why weren't officials prepared? It's not like it was a secret this could happen someday.
 Bill Clinton did not sign for the improvements & money requested by the Army Corp of Engineers & LA to make them. Source: 
Q.3. Why only Category 3 protection?
A.3. That is what we were authorized to do. [Answer by the Corps of Engineers]
 There are already the accusations that federal money was diverted away from improving NO's levee system for other purposes, likely the war.Yes, Sidney Blumenthal already planted that political urban press using the foreign press to launder out the Clinton fingerprints. The way to shoot it down is to explain that the fed money was there but because LA refused to put up any of the state matching funds that were required by law before the fed money could be spent. Since LA made it clear for several years that they weren't going to provide those matches and expected the feds to pay 100%, the money was diverted to other needs, of which there were many.
Critics Say Bush Undercut New Orleans Flood Control -- Hint to the Liberals --This is NOT a road you want to go down --Shall we open up the books to the BILLIONS of dollars that was sent to NO and what happened to it all?
 Even with full funding in recent years, none of the flood-control projects would have been completed in time to prevent the swamping of the city, as Democrats yesterday acknowledged.
What is worse, this danger was known about, and written about, and studied, for years:
 The Lost City of New Orleans? (Dec 2000)
 NASA Flooding Simulation
 2004 Amazingly Precise Prediction of New Orleans Disaster -- This was entirely predictable and inevitable to anyone who has followed the issue.
  Click on the thumbnail to open full picture in a new window.

This is a 1998 modelling of a CAT 4 or CAT 5 moving through New Orleans-- Here is what they predicted for flooding....

 Apocalypse Live (Description of a category 4 or 5 hurricane from three weeks ago)

 Gone with the Water -- Published last fall - eerie... 

 Drowning New Orleans -- Scientific American ^ | October 2001 |

 From Jeff Master's weather blog on
"I'd hate to be an Emergency Management official in New Orleans right now. Katrina is pretty much following the NHC forecast, and appears likely to pass VERY close to New Orleans. I'm surprised they haven't ordered an evacuation of the city yet. While the odds of a catastropic hit that would completely flood the city of New Orleans are probably 10%, that is way too high in my opinion to justify leaving the people in the city. -- posted on 08/27/2005 8:04:52 PM EDT

Here are the pictures:
  has the archives of both the cam and camera shots taken from just before the hurricane to today. (it takes quite a while to load unless you have wide broadband.)
Complete Aerial Picture Survey of Mississippi Coast Damage
...and here is contact information for those trying to get information:
 Food for the Hungry , is a good solid Christian relief organization with VERY LOW Administration cost. Approx 93% of contributions go to actual relief.
 Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but here is a website for people to leave messages letting loved ones know they are OK or to post the names of people they are in search of: Katrina Check-In
In roughly reverse chronological order, here are the best links  I have culled since this story broke:
New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes (Blanco gives shoot to kill order?) -- Wow!
When guns are outlawed, only the government and outlaws will have guns.
 Tourists Realize They're Afterthought, Band Together
 New Orleans radio system flooded -- "I'm absolutely astounded by the degree and pervasiveness of the incompetence and malfeasance at both the municipal as well as state goernment level in this disaster." -- if you've been watching the Governor,  the mayor and police chief  the past few days ...... to call them "incompetent" is an insult to incompetents.
 Instant Haiti.
 Water May Linger for Months (New Orleans, "Gone With the Wind?"
 Levee repair work has yet to begin (Another Levee Break - 700ft wide NOLA will take 3-6 mos to dry) -- Would the last person to swim out of NOLA please bring the flag?
 NOLAntis. The Lost City.

  Masques of Death (A sewer of applied liberalism, New Orleans was lawless long before this week.)

New Orleans in Anarchy With Fights, Rapes -- Politicizing a tragedy? No, teaching valuable lessons, if they dare.
 Ted Koppel blames Bush for failure to evacuate poor prior to the Katrina hitting New Orleans -- Dateline pretty much did the same thing. ABC has a Meme and it is the new strategy of the Left... use the disaster to crucify the President.
It is obscene.
The Katrina syndrome: What a hurricane can teach -- I didn't really enjoy the article until the end..when he compared how they everyone the warnings about levees and sea levels and hurricanes, etc., until disaster struck....and then it was too late.
And when he then compared that to the border issue, and how the signs are all there, but nobody in the government cares to do anything about it. And when they do, it will be too late.
 The Great Society our welfare System has Created.

 Gasoline Prices & Katrina

 Hurricanes, Hatred and Hypocrisy

Don't blame Katrina
 Ford blasts Bush’s handling of Hurricane Katrina -- The Governor of LA is supposed to be coordinating with FEMA, isn't she?
Yep. But she has vanished. She can't go on television without bawling like a baby, so her handlers are hiding her.
 You asked, "What in the world is wrong with the governor??"
She's so afraid of doing something wrong that she can't do anything right. You can see her "deer in the headlights" look on television. She's an incompetent political hack thrown into a nightmare situation and she's just frozen.
Rebuilding New Orleans doesn't make sense
 New Orleans, the Tragedy -- This is the article from which Rush quoted in the first hour of his show today.
 Shephard Smith "Grandstanding" in New Orleans, showing dead bodies on Fox News. -- "Personally, I don't think the networks should have 'saved us' from the horrors of 9-11 as they did. Perhaps if the reality of that situation had been known then people wouldn't have so easily forgotten."
Amen to that! I agree 100%! If they had show the real carnage, people would be supporting our troops now, instead of low-lifes like Cindy Sheehan.
 The global warming crowd says it's Bush's fault.

The Zionist Christians say it's Bush's fault.

The Islamist Jihadists say it's Bush's fault.

The Democrats say it's Bush's fault.

Millions of idiots can't be wrong.

 Thousands Feared Drowned in New Orleans -- I've never seen such poor planning and leadership in my life. the Mayor and Governor should be tarred & feathered. This is just inexcusable, unbelievable incompetence.

 Heart of America: Common People Doing Heroic Things

Thought-provoking opinion:
" In my opinion, the time for optimism has passed. New Orleans did not dodge a bullet, New Orleans suffered a worst case doomsday scenario. But this is far far bigger than New Orleans alone.
By my count, America has lost not one city, but nine of them. "
 Read this great rant from Pukin Dog then, no typing required --
 Storm may shut refineries for months -- Keep the EPA multiple gas blend suspension in force, suspend the federal & state gas taxes indefinitely, start importing from IRAQ, drill - drill - drill where the caribou roam & wherever else it is geologically promising, start building refineries & identical nuke plants (one thing the French have done right), start using our vast coal supply by building liquification/gasification plants.

 Turn Bases into Refineries part 2 -- This is a excellent idea, which will help the LONG term problem (just like building 10 new nuke power plants).
For SHORT term help, suspend taxes on gas for 90 days, suspend requirements for 40 different blends of gas for the nation, pass legislation to end lawsuits against MTBE's (which the enviro-weenies are responsible for in the first place), proclaim closed military bases as "refinery empowerment zones", where they will have a 100 year lease on the land, be shielded against environmental lawsuits, and not taxed for 10 years.

  Analysts see Katrina as `perfect storm' for already high energy prices -- We own all of the oil sitting underneath Iraq. Why aren't we pumping it for ourselves? Gas should be 50¢ a gallon. We also own tons of oil up in the arctic. To hell with the environmental wackos - start drilling!

Timeline as best as I can quickly reconstruct from the earlier Katrina threads (times are CDT) -
3,827 posted on 08/31/2005 2:12:02 AM EDT by steveegg
 Katrina Packing Wind of Nearly 175 Mph (Mayor irresponsible in evac delay) -- To: Howlin
For future reference, this repeated line by the mayor and governor that "We went to bed Friday night being told it was a Florida storm, and woke up Saturday to find us threatened" to excuse why they waited so long to start the evacuation plan is total bullshit. (excuse my French)

Friday 4pm NO time report from the NWS, warns of a significant shift west, Mississippi landfall (88.5 on the grid, NO is 90), and possible more movement expected (post #388):

By at least Friday 6pm computer models were converging on LA (post #478):

Turns out those computer models had been run at 2pm (post #526):

In fact some computer models run at 7am NO time Friday had predicted a NO hit(post #224):

So unless the gov and mayor went to bed Friday afternoon, they knew then that it likely was headed their way.
 I wonder if someone should start a tread for ideas on how we can all prepare ourselves for a disaster like this?  Go to the Threat Matrix threads. LOTS of information.
 Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Twenty-Two
 Emergency Kit

Travel Pack --- BOB (Bug Out Bag)

(These items should be packed in portable "duffle bags" ready to go)

• 1-qt water per person
• Identification (copies of records/cd
• 2-"energy bars" per person
• Dehydrated food pack for one week dried fruit, vegetables, meat flour, oil, salt, pepper, spices vitamins, honey,peanut butter crackers, protein powder, powder milk
• Collapsible 5 ga. Water containers
• "Water washer" filter
• Lightweight cook kit large pot, dishes, spoons, forks knives, cups, non-stick skillet spatula, can opener, large spoon
• Towels
• 2-water proof nylon tarps
• Change of clothes for each person
• Coats,
• 1-thermal blanket
• 1-sleeping bag / person
• Matches, fire starter
• Compass, maps of areas of intended use
• 2-rechargeable/shakable flashlights
• 12v trouble light w/@cig. lighter plug
• First aid kit
• Toilet paper,
• Soap
• 1-pocket knife
• 1-fishing kit
• 1-large bowie knife (western cutlery) (perfectly weighted to serve as both fire knife and hatchet etc)
• 1-small portable mt. Climber's stove
• 1-back pack with frame
• Paper, pencil
• Signaling mirror
• 1-manual flashlight
• Whistle , portable cable saw
• Small bottle of bleach, insect repellent.
• Magnifying glass
• 100 ft. 1/2 dia. Goldline rope,
• 2 pulleys
• 50 ft. Nylon "shroudline" cord
• .22 caliber pistol w/ 500 rds. Ammo.

There are many, many variations of this Bug Out Bag. Some place more reliance on ‘defense’, property, records.

Seems one should prepare according to their own specific needs, location. Here's some info, left over from the Y2K 'scare' and survivalists
FYI …Google Search for Bug Out Bag = BOB

4,210 posted on 09/01/2005 1:37:35 PM EDT by Stand Watch Listen
 Discussion Thread - Hurricane Katrina - What Went Wrong?!?

TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: backhoe; frlibrarians; hurricanekatrina; katrina
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To: Ditter
Hi backhoe, nice to see you too. Well I am going to call his repair company because they got my money. Hopefully they will send someone other than Jermaine, in fact I am going to insist on it.

Since they have your money, they owe you a repair- just hopefully not with the "blowed 'em up!" guy.

301 posted on 10/21/2007 5:07:20 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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To: backhoe
Bumped and bookmarked.

I had to go through the threads and recount all the stuff I had gone through the morning before the storm.

302 posted on 10/21/2007 5:55:35 AM PDT by chemicalman (I didn't jump on the bandwagon. It snagged and dragged me for a few miles.)
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Appreciate your looking- thank you.

303 posted on 10/21/2007 7:28:07 AM PDT by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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304 posted on 11/12/2007 12:08:19 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: Calpernia

Thank you- that’s a useful link.

305 posted on 11/12/2007 12:13:27 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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306 posted on 11/12/2007 12:23:16 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: All

307 posted on 12/15/2007 12:46:06 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
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4 Investigates: Floodwalls stuffed with newspaper? [New Orleans]

308 posted on 04/26/2008 1:44:48 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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4 Investigates: Floodwalls stuffed with newspaper? [New Orleans]

Son of a ___... looking now.

309 posted on 04/26/2008 3:21:27 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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FYI, FWIW... source seems prejudiced to me.

310 posted on 08/28/2008 4:07:03 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the Trakball in to the Sunset...)
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Thought I already had this...

311 posted on 02/07/2010 7:04:23 AM PST by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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Katrina does not rest easy... here’s some followup, via:

NEW ORLEANS COPS GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY in Katrina bridge shooting case. “A federal jury in New Orleans on Friday handed down all guilty verdicts on 25 counts in the infamous Danziger Bridge shooting case, in which current and former New Orleans police officers were charged with civil rights violations, conspiracy charges, and weapons charges in the shooting deaths of unarmed civilians following Hurricane Katrina. In the infamous debacle in the chaotic days after the 2005 storm, police allegedly opened fire on a group that was crossing the bridge out of town, then lied after the fact, saying they had been fired upon and planting a gun on one of the victims. A 40-year-old man and 17-year-old boy were killed, and four others were injured.”

312 posted on 08/06/2011 3:13:02 AM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Twilight...)
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For the record. Read the essay. And the comments...

313 posted on 11/29/2012 3:16:10 AM PST by backhoe (Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard Pirate Boy, plunderin' his way across the InterToobs)
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Ray Nagan Hurricane Katrina bttt

314 posted on 02/12/2014 12:58:08 PM PST by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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February 12, 2014
Ex-New Orleans mayor convicted of taking bribes
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315 posted on 02/12/2014 10:06:09 PM PST by Matchett-PI (It's a single step from relativism to barbarism, low information to Democrat, ignorance to tenure)
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