Skip to comments.Death toll in Louisiana could be above 10,000: US Senator (Vitter R-LA)
Posted on 09/02/2005 1:04:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie
BATON ROUGE, United States (AFP) - US Senator David Vitter said that the death toll from Hurricane Katrina could top 10,000 in Louisiana alone.
"My guess is that it will start at 10,000, but that is only a guess," Vitter said, adding that he was not basing his remarks on any official death toll or body count.
Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, also called for the immediate deployment of regular US combat troops in New Orleans, saying the build-up of National Guard troops was too slow to quickly restore order.
Such a step would require Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco to formally request the dispatch of federal army soldiers, a highly unusual step.
Blanco said on Thursday that she had asked for 40,000 troops, the majority of which are National Guard units from Louisiana and elsewhere
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Frankly I don't think this kind of speculation is helpful.
I agree... It is completely irresponsible to throw those types of figures around.
I think something got goofed when you posted then link. I'm getting a yahoo error.
"the majority of which are National Guard units from Louisiana."
Why didn't she order them there from day one? The LA-NG are under her control.
I used to like Vitter, but he's just another loser from Louisiana. I guess he has to get re-elected.
They keep talking about the lack of the National Guard troops, well who is in charge of the Guard in Lousiana, the Governor is in charge of National Guard Troops. Any natural disaster it is the Governor who controls the Guard and gets them into the streets.
I doubt reelection is the first thing on his mind.
He's not up until 2010.
Yes, I messed it up. Sorry. If you go to http//new.yahoo.com and put in the name David Vitter in the search engine, it will bring the story up.
I think at this point she's asking for guard units from other states, and she doesn't control those.
What is the LA gov. doing? I know the mayor of N.O. has ticked me off, running like an idiot and screaming at Bush about what he's not doing. Argh.
It is helpful - because Americans see right through it. Not so, even 5 years ago, but now they hear the truth and see the bias of liberal media.
That is very helpful to us.
regardless - this is a major F*ck up. no way around that...
today it's water in New Orleans. Tomorrow it could be nuclear fallout in chicago. or smallpox in Denver.
She also have the authority to sign an order asking for OTHER states to send NG units. As the story points out, until She ASKS for them, the Regular Army cannot be SENT.
You mean the same Mayor who left all the Public Transit assets in NO untouched after the Evacuation order was given? I suspect that Boss Nagel is screaming so loud to cover up the fact that he did NOT execute the City of NO's disaster plan posted on their website. Boy, a WHOLE lot of good all the money the Dept of Homeland Security money we gave N.O. did us.
It was a Republican Senator making the statement.
We should be rounding all National guard and military troops with as much equipment as needed to save these people. As soon as possible.
Also, notice how the "News Media" is getting a free pass on what is THEIR role in this disaster. They Hype, HYPE, HYPE everything and then wonder why people do not take Hurricane warning and evacuation orders seriously. Or how the news took until about Thursday to really sink in just how BAD this all is. Couldn't be because people just sort of unconsciously discount anything they hear from the "News" as being exaggerated?
Agreed. But even in the face of a disaster, we still are a nation of laws. Unfortunately too many "Journalists" seem to think thousands of dead Americans are just another arrow to their hate Bush quiver. The scream at Bush to do something when he CANNOT by law.
See? I didn't even know that. One would rightly have assumed the opposite.
Am I mistaken, or wasn't there a MANDATORY EVACUATION order given to these people who lived BELOW SEA LEVEL five days before a CATEGORY 5 hurricane hit with sustained winds of 160 MPH!!!
You're mistaken. The mandatory evac order wasn't given till Sunday, I believe, one day before the storm hit.
Five days before it hit, the storm was a tropical depression in the Bahamas.
This (NO) was totally predictable and we chose to ignore it.
I hope we are doing more to prevent nuclear or biological attack.
Here in L.A., news reports on Saturday said that New Orleans residents had been given the final warning, and that they should implement their plans immediately, not just make them. It also said that if they wait until "tomorrow" (Sunday) to evacuate, they will have waited too long. The highways were crowded with cars trying to leave on Sunday.
Now, it seems that not a few remained in N.O. in order to loot. Some people had no means of getting out because they could not afford to buy gas or a ticket to leave or did not have transportation.
"My guess is that it will start at 10,000, but that is only a guess,"
"Frankly I don't think this kind of speculation is helpful."
I agreed. May I add that the first reports of ANY story are nearly always WRONG.
I bet the death toll won't exceed 300.
Photos show a large number of cars left. Surely a lot of people could have scraped together a few bucks between them and stuffed each car full of people.
What to speak of the public buses sitting in water.
Most of this human disaster was preventable.
Actually, I truly believe that the body count stats will be purposely and severely UNDERSTATED. A terrifically high death count would be poisonous to all elected officials on every level.
Just imagine what the effect of a 1000,00 body count (predicted)would do to the electability of anyone in a leadership position.
Many, many of the reporters have already made comments - almost as an aside - about all the dead bodies. Lord only knows what they will find when the house to house search begins.
Soon the water borne diseases and mosquitoes will present themselves with deadly results.
No, I don't think they will be throwing these statistics around. But not because it is irresponsible: Because it is unflattering.
I can forsee men in space suits going through the town some day, picking up dead bodies. The disease problem will make any other type of clothing impractical.
But the expense of having such measures taken will be too high for justification, it seems to me. If so, the prospect of uncontrollable fires might be the only plausible solution. After the levies are repaired and the water drained, fires could mysteriously erupt (like the one at the Sachs Fifth Avenue store did the other day) and no polititian will be willing to own up to knowing anything about how it got started. But the effect will be clear: as the pestilence, mold, and disease infested buildings burn uncontrollably, the problem of how many people died will disappear, the cost of cleanup will cheapen (ash can be washed away to the storm drains), and the real estate recovery can commence.
And if it was God's will that the current destruction happen, who is going to stop Him from doing it again?
I can see where you're coming from. The mere thought of so many cars and busses left abandoned and now covered with water gives pause to think SOMETHING could have been done.
As for its preventability, I agree. However, my reason for saying so might be entirely different from yours.
For example, I have never been to Mardi Gras, but I've seen video coverage of it, and to be honest, the video of the looting activities looked eerily remeniscent to me of the festival footage. I could not help but think, why is anyone surprised that this looting would happen, when every year public and conspicuous rehearsals are held in New Orleans for just such wild moral abandonment?
Are you aware that another public festival was planned in N.O. for this weekend? It was going to entail parades and revelry likewise remeniscent of the French Revolution, but with a twist: the theme would be homosexuality and all its trappings, held up for public view.
Any thoughts on this?
Every cloud has a silver lining.
Meaning: this is unreservedly a horrendous tragedy. But at least the "Decadence Parade" or whatever it was called won't be happening.
I am NOT saying I am glad anyone died; every man must die, and to die because of human malfeasance is the most wretched way. What is important is how we live, how we face death, and how we're going to answer for our deeds after death.
The glorification and promotion of homosexuality is a great wrong. But the fact that this parade/festival will not take place doesn't make me happy; it's just - welll, every cloud has a silver lining, somewhere.
And I pray for the souls of those who had to die this week, and for those left behind.
Tom Costello (NBC) just reported on MSNBC that LSU has done a computer model of projected deaths in N.O. In N.O. alone LSU projects at least 10,000 deaths.
How many times before in US history has there ever been an evacuation of 1.5 million people, let alone 100,000 from a city underwater?
I hope you're not going into the "God sent the hurricane to New Orleans" mode. We've managed to keep that nonsense off the threads lately.
There was roughly 54 hours from the time NOAA updated it's tracking to indicate New Orleans as ground zero and the time the first hurricane winds hit the City.
It was about 22 hours before the hurricane winds hit that an evac order was issued by the Mayor.
It was about 22 hours before the hurricane winds hit that an evac order was issued by the Mayor.
I live on the other side of the world, and I saw what was happening from way off in Europe. I cannot imagine how people who live below sea level on the Gulf coast, between the Mississippi River and a huge lake did not have the good sense to get out of town - evacuation order or not!
Sustained winds of 160 MPH and they sat there below sea level to see what would happen? Any bloody fool darn well could see what was fixin' to happen. You don't need to wait for that cretin of a mayor to tell you to get above sea level. From what I understand, the dimwitted Governor still has not called a state of emergency.
Who were you betting? How much?
The last report I saw on TV said between 1,000 and 10,000, but maybe more.
Like I said, the pollution and contamination by disease of the buildings, including the "protected historical buildings" of the French Quarter, will be so repulsive that fires might be the only escape route. Once the fires start, there won't be much to stop them. And when the dead bodies are burned that way, nobody will ever know how many died in this disaster.
You and your imaginary friends?
"us, we" = The folks here who got tired of reading that crap on the live hurricane threads. Spread that stuff in the religion forum as it doesn't belong in News/Activism.
That's a valid point... but just because we haven't done it before doesn't mean we shouldn't prepare and plan for it.
Yes, I've been near a dead body. Three days ago, a reporter from a local radio station was in a helicopter flying 300 feet over New Orleans, and she said the stench was so bad they could not get any closer. She wondered how the people on the ground could stand it. Even inside the chopper, they were having trouble breathing because of the foul smell.
Someone else said that the military personnel are not complaining about the smell because they are trained to work under such adverse conditions, and it would be unbecoming of them as enlisted men to whine. Some of them have been on battlegrounds, and the smell there is not unlike the odor of N.O.
The authorities keep saying that America needs to be prepared for the worst when the water is drained and the ground is exposed. There are already erstwhile pets wandering about looking for food. What do you suppose packs of hungry dogs will do when they find dead bodies? I'm just trying to be realistic.