VANITY: Levees deliberately opened to kill black people

MSNBC | 9-5-05 | self

[wardaddy]

The myth is that it was a conspiracy to pollute South Central with drugs.

I'm not familiar with any military or intelligence officer being brought up on charges for aiding Contra drug smugglers...

What we have are drug smugglers from all over South Florida and the rest of the South stating in depositions that US government officials either looked the other way or in extreme cases facilitated drug smuggling to help the Contra's bankrolls.

All of that talk and the Govt's past history in Laos and with the Karins and whatnot is why I used the word: "probable"...maybe "likely" is a better word.

[Txsleuth]

bttt

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Hi Sleuth, long time no see. :-)

[OldFriend]

Didn't you know that the joos evacuated the city and then came back and caused the canal to fail.

[OldFriend]

Poor Sheila, she's still looking for the lunar flag on Mars.

[rdb3]

So This Lasater was using the CIA "empty return" planes to do his drug running? Would the CIA not have known about it?

That's murky. The possibility of them knowing is there, but the truth of the matter is that we don't know if the transport of the weapons was sub-contracted to people who were not employees of the CIA, which would have been the means of bringing cocaine back after dropping off the weapons.

Also, there is no racial component, I assume, here. Just bringing coke powder into the USA. Not inventing crack and packaging it expressly for the inner cities.

That would be correct. From a purely racial point of view, saying that the CIA was purposefully flooding black neighborhoods is demonstrably false. But the growing influx of cocaine got to the inner-cities in the form of crack. The main ingredient of crack can be traced back to Mena. A lot of weight got there.

Still want to hear the Foster connection.

I remember this from an article entitled "The Name of the Rose" by L.J. Davis. Here's an FR thread that I started asking for more information on this article.

You can find more info on Foster laundering drug money here.

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[rdb3]

The question is, why do you keep defending her? You continue to come back to..'she was close.'

Where am I defending her?

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[F16Fighter]

"You're still way off the mark. Unless you can provide a different post of yours in support of Waters' being "closer to the truth."

"Am I?

"I've already provided a different post. Please see #152."

Brother, THIS is the charge of Maxine Waters:

The CIA started the crack epidemic in order to kill blacks in the inner cities.

Any "proof" of the CIA's drug-running cocaine still provides NO remote corrolation between IT and Waters' absurd claim, OR yours that she was indeed "close[er]" to the truth."

[Txsleuth]

Hi---friend, I have been hanging out a lot on the LIVE Katrina thread...mostly lurking, but sometimes posting.

For a few days, tensions were so high, that some arguements broke out on the thread, so I pretty much lurked...

I hope you and your family are okay...aren't you glad you don't live closer to the coast???

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You keep saying she was CLOSE. She's closer to Oz than she is the truth. That's like be a little bit pregnant.

[rdb3]

Any "proof" of the CIA's drug-running cocaine still provides NO remote corrolation between IT and Waters' absurd claim, OR yours that she was indeed "close[er]" to the truth."

I don't think you read my #152. At any rate, the CIA did NOT run any drugs here. I've made my case. I stand on it. Take it or leave it.

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[wtc911]

It's like saying that the CIA created the meth epidemic to get rid of bikers or E to rid us of bubble-headed suburban girls.

Rock did migrate west to east where it became crack but the evolution was strictly economics driven. A coke-head can stretch a hundred dollars over a weekend then go to work on Monday. A crackhead blows through that much in a short afternoon and his only job is finding more cash for tonight.

[G.Mason]

When randita stated ... "You forgot that the CIA started the crack epidemic in order to kill blacks in the inner cities. Just ask Maxine Waters about that one." ...

and you replied ... " She was closer to the truth than she realized." ...

It sure sounded like you were saying that Maxine was telling the truth.

It may be an extra slow day for me mentally, but I'm afraid I still don't understand ...

"She didn't follow it all the way out to its conclusion. She may not be smart enough to do that. But if she is smart enough, following it all the way out would have made her drop it because it would have shone a light on the wrong people in her eyes." ...

Lastly, Re: "If you're going to explain to others what I'm saying, please do so correctly."

You are 100% correct. I shouldn't explain things to others that you have said. For that I appologize.

BTW ... I do hope you are doing well after your accident.

[rdb3]

Okay. Your logic is all over the place.

I have not, nor am I defending her. I made my case. Take it or leave it. Just don't falsely accuse me of defending her because that's not what I'm doing.

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[tarheelswamprat]

I keep seeing these posts about a barge breaching the levee. That is a misconception. I posted the following explanation on Sunday; perhaps it will clarify this issue.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1476994/posts?page=788#788

Another relevant detail that needs to be pointed out: the barge didn't "smash" through the levee - it was "pulled" through. Whoever witnessed it did not really understand the science of what they were seeing.

Even a huge barge does not possess the mass to smash through a wall of earth the size of a levee. There is one force, however that can - the slow, relentless pressure of water against a semi-permeable surface.

What happened was that because a great deal of the material used to construct the levees was the most easily available loose delta soil and miscellaneous debris, which will not compact and solidify well, as the water pressure increased water began to actually penetrate and seep through the levee walls. As this process accellerated, the seeping water began to, in a very real sense, actually flow through the levee walls. As it did the walls were gradually eroded from within.

What this meant was that an observer viewing the levee from above would be seeing what appeared to be a levee that was "holding", but it would really be washing away below, out of sight. This process would continue until enough material was eroded to allow the visible top of the levee to collapse and then observers could see the water pouring through. In reality, however, the water had been pouring through long before that.

That's what the observer of the barge saw - it didn't smash through, it was drawn by the invisible pull of the water directly to that point on the levee where the unseen flow caused the top of the levee to crumble and collapse.

There is an important lesson in this scenario that needs to be remembered whenever the immediate crisis is over and talk turns to the decision whether to rebuild New Orleans on the present site or relocate it. Because of the nature of the construction of the current levees, they probably would not have held for long even if they had been twice as high.

Some serious study needs to be given as to just what types of levee material and construction would be strong enough, and also whether even good, solidly-built levees would have the necessary sub-statum support to keep them from sagging and cracking as the already-observed area-wide compaction and sinking progresses. The dynamics of this collapse provide strong arguments for the case to relocate the city.

[rdb3]

You are 100% correct. I shouldn't explain things to others that you have said. For that I appologize.

BTW ... I do hope you are doing well after your accident.

No harm, no foul. I'm doing better, but believe it or not, healing my bones is the least of my worries now. I've got to make sure that my brain doesn't deteriorate any further from my newly diagnosed MS.

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[McGavin999]

Thank you. That makes perfect sense.

[Cvengr]

Although we can probably chaulk this up as unsubstantiated rumor, I do hope we have sufficient wherewithal within the intelligence community to evaluate and track the development of weather influencing systems that might be used in unannounced warfare.

I believe it was Cheney or Powell who remarked once about 5 years ago that the technology exists to used earthquakes, lightning, tornados and other atmospheric phenomenon as weaponry. If an international socialist group with ties to socialist nations had such weaponry, it would nicely play into the hands of an enemy of the US to continually whittle down our economics, create loss of respect for legitimate authority and erode American institutions without being held accountable. It would play nicely in the fog of war to then come in riding a white horse offering assistance immediately after the malise. (very similar in fact to Jesse Jackson and Hugo Chavez and Castro as they played the image of philanthropists meanwhile running bioweapons labs to kill Americans).

Of course, I didn't hear many chuckle when Jesse Jackson reported Hugo Chavez' offer to give 20 tons of bottled water as aid to Hurricane Katrina victims was turned down and Jackson blamed the Bush administration for such a heartless rejection of charity. (let's see, 20 tons of bottle water = 40,000lbs of water = 40,000/8.345 = 4742 gallons of water or just over half a tanker truck of water or a small water truck used to wet down roads, ... meanwhile at 1-5 gal / man/day x 50,000 refugees + another 50,000 emergency and aid workers, we need about 100,000 to 500,000 gal of water/day or Chavez offered 1% of the water need for 1 day and it was turned down and Jesse Jackson makes it sound as though the US is ungrateful.)

[Archidamus]

It is a simply fact of the nature of IQ.

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I hope you and your family are okay...aren't you glad you don't live closer to the coast???

Am I ever glad. We are fine here. The traffic in such a small town as this is horrible. Listen at me bitchin' about traffic. I'm truly sorry for that comment. Most have lost everything they had and some lost their lives and I'm complaining about traffic.

There but by the Grace of God, go I.

We were very lucky.

When I was a little girl, my family lived in Lake Charles. When a hurricane was headed our way we used to pile in the car and go to our grandparents home. Well, I live in the same town as our grandparents now, it's the town I was born in. We were always safe up here.

I haven't been on any Katrina numbered threads, at least I don't think I have.