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9/08/05 | Michael

Posted on 09/08/2005 2:06:12 AM PDT by knowyouremeny

I just got done reading the entire Stafford Act, as well as other laws. Here's the skinny:

Bush never needed Governor Blanco's nor Mayor Nagin's consent to do [b]ANYTHING[/b] in New Orleans.

Posse Comitatus Act of 1878: Basically says that the Army, Navy, Air Force, etc. cannot be used to police a city "except in such cases and under such circumstances as such employment of said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress"

As it's been explained to me, the NG operates under the Governor's control if they're used domestically, unless they're federalized (however that happens... perhaps Governor consent or an act of Congress), so basically, none of this means much except Bush can't control them without them being federalized. However, I have no clue how Kennedy got away with doing it at Univ of Albama, against the governors wishes, in 1963.

****************************************** IMPORTANT STUFF STARTS HERE ******************************************

I start reading the Stafford Act... and it's got quite a bit of useful info in it... and then the end completely removes all doubt about who has authority over the NG, whether or not Army/Navy can move in without local & state consent, etc. ROBERT T. STAFFORD DISASTER RELIEF AND EMERGENCY ASSISTANCE ACT:


Sec. 301. Any Federal agency charged with the administration of a Federal assistance program may, if so requested by the applicant State or [b]local authorities[/b], modify or waive, for a major disaster, such administrative conditions for assistance as would otherwise prevent the giving of assistance under such programs if the inability to meet such conditions is a result of a major disaster."

Nagin asked for martial law, troops, & other goverment assistance... I believe about 24 hours after Katrina hit. MP3 of Nagin here: (Skip the first 30 seconds) Want more proof? Contact me. CNN & other sources have transcripts of interview. ------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** IMPORTANCE: MEDIOCRE *** "Sec. 403. (a) In General. Federal agencies may on the direction of the President, provide assistance essential to [b]meeting immediate threats to life and property resulting from a major disaster[/b] , as follows:

[b](I) reduction of immediate threats to life, property, and public health and safety[/b]."

Bush can bypass gaining state & local consent to render aid that would meet criterion (I). ------------------------------------------------------------------------

*** IMPORTANCE: MEDIOCRE *** "EMERGENCY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION Sec. 419. The President is authorized to provide temporary public transportation service in an area affected by a major disaster to meet emergency needs and to provide transportation to governmental offices, supply centers, stores, post offices, schools, major employment centers, and such other places as may be necessary in order to enable the community to resume its normal pattern of life as soon as possible. "

Bush had the authority to use any means necessary to evacuate those who wished to leave. -------------------------------

****************************************** ******** IMPORTANCE: HIGH ******* ****************************************** "In any [state of] emergency, the President may -

(1) direct any Federal agency, with or without reimbursement, to utilize its authorities and the resources granted to it under Federal law (including personnel, equipment, supplies, facilities, and managerial, technical and advisory services) in support of State and local emergency assistance efforts to [b]save lives, protect property and public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe [/b];

(2) coordinate all disaster relief assistance (including voluntary assistance) provided by Federal agencies, private organizations, [b]and State and local governments[/b];"

1::: In order to "save lives, preserve public health and safety, and lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe", the President may use any federal agencies to assist local and state relief efforts.

2::: The President can assume control of all federal, state, local, and private agencies. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------

All of this is assuming that the state is under in a state of emergency, which it was... governor declared state of emergency on 26th... bush declared LA federal state of emergency on the 27th. (See: )

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Comment #61 Removed by Moderator

To: knowyouremeny

Duuuuude! You've been ZOTted! Who ya gonna call?

62 posted on 09/08/2005 3:49:49 AM PDT by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

How did you get to be the first reply in a zot thread?

63 posted on 09/08/2005 3:52:56 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: knowyouremeny
Appropriate screen name.

Knowyourenemy - member from 9/8/05 to 9/8/05

Trolls check in, but they don't check out!

64 posted on 09/08/2005 3:52:59 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Racehorse

Thanks for the correction. I had forgotten.

65 posted on 09/08/2005 3:53:36 AM PDT by jslade ("If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." (Seminole Cty, FL))
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To: knowyouremeny

knowyouremeny: Sometimes your worst 'EMENY' is yourself.

66 posted on 09/08/2005 3:55:25 AM PDT by PilloryHillary
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To: bd476

They had a movie about her ya know.....

Knowyouremy and Romney's High School Reunion wasn't it?

67 posted on 09/08/2005 3:57:31 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: knowyouremeny
Please read mindless one:

Closer scrutiny reveals the lies surrounding Katrina evacuation and recovery

By Linda Prussen-Razzano
web posted September 5, 2005

Having lived on Long Island for most of my life, I weathered only the most minor effects of hurricanes. Typically, their devastating strength drained along the coastline as they churned northwards. When I was a child, my father comforted me through Hurricane Belle; not by holding me and telling me everything would be alright, but by his activity in securing our house, his purchase of supplies and preparations, and his explanations of hurricanes and their threats.

While the storm whipped overhead, my piqued curiosity prompted me to ask about all different kinds of natural disasters. We passed the time discussing typhoons, tornadoes, earthquakes, and floods. I never thought I would use this information, but I did; twice.

At 19, my passenger and I found ourselves caught in the only flash flood in the history of Long Island. What started as a heavy rain became an overwhelming downpour within minutes. Not unlike the City of New Orleans, the patch of road on which I traveled was nestled in a natural funnel. In the space of minutes, we experienced more rain in that small bit of road alongside Eisenhower Park than all of Long Island had received in a year. With traffic surrounding me, I had not choice but to inch forward to the overpass that would take me to higher ground. Just moments before my car cleared the water now pouring in under my doors, the engine stalled, and my Monte Carlo sank back down the embankment, eventually to be completely submerged.

We had to wait until the water rose inside the car and the pressure stabilized before we could get out.

The gas pumps at the corner station began bubbling up, turning the water so black you couldn’t see your hand just two inches under the surface. An elderly man, trapped in his car, didn’t want to leave. Plodding through chest deep water, my passenger and I managed to get his door open and help him slog back to safety.

Everyone caught in that mess experienced a loss, but it is nothing compared to Katrina.

The second time I used my father’s sage advice came when I moved to Texas. In the bottom tip of the tornado belt, I knew what to do when the sky turned an ominous shade of green, the clouds started rotating above my head, and where to seek shelter to maximize my potential for living. It was in those few moments, when the doors and windows rattled and I imagined that my new house would be reduced to kindling around me, that all my priorities changed…forever.

The folks in Louisiana and Mississippi experienced wide scale devastation during Katrina. New Orleans, and other parts of the coast, experienced a second, even more devastating blow from the horrible flooding. One is bad enough, but both? It’s a catastrophe beyond comprehension, and our fellow Americans need our compassion, our generosity, and our understanding as they rebuild their entire lives.

We should be coming together, as we did after other catastrophic events in the last decade, to help and heal.

Sadly, that is not the case.

What I find astonishing is the almost immediate response from Bush Bashers to blame everything that happened, from the actual hurricane itself, to the anarchy that quickly erupted, on the President and his administration. When they do so, they not only distort the truth, they outright lie to the public, and they are doing so daily through any media venue that will give them the opportunity.

Lie #1: President Bush doesn’t care about the people of New Orleans.

This outrageous lie is thoroughly debunked by the fact that it was President Bush who pushed for a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans.(1) Governor Blanco issued only a voluntary evacuation order, but admitted that she received a call from the President on August 27, 2005, urging her to make it a mandatory one. He wanted as many people as possible out of the path of the storm.

So much for the President not caring.

Despite the fact that New Orlean’s own Emergency Response Guidelines call for a mandatory evacuation of the City if a strike by a Category 3 Hurricane is projected, with 72 hours advance notice to all residents, Mayor Nagin didn’t order a mandatory evaluation until Sunday. Further, he only did so after Max Maxfield, the National Hurricane Director, called Nagin at his home to plead that he empty the City. (2)

Why did Nagin wait so long? He was worried about the legalities. If people want to affix blame, perhaps they can look at lawyers.

How ironic, that The Drudge Report (3) and Free Republic (4) have pictures of dozens of New Orleans’ submerged and now useless school buses, buses that could have been used to transport residents out of the City prior to the storm, bring in supplies after the storm, and help evacuees escape the flooding. Meanwhile, Governor Blanco issued a request to the State of Louisiana to provide her with buses from local school districts.

According to a Washington Post report on Sunday, September 4, “Shortly before midnight Friday, the Bush administration sent her a proposed legal memorandum asking her to request a federal takeover of the evacuation of New Orleans, a source within the state's emergency operations center said Saturday.”

Bush’s offer to have the federal government aid in the evacuation was rejected. (5)

Lie #2: The Bush Administration was slow in coordinating help.

Mike Brown, Under Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security for Emergency Response and Preparedness, received the order from President Bush on August 27, two full days before the storm hit the region, to prepare for Katrina disaster relief. (6) The President also declared the entire region under a State of Emergency, so that FEMA could coordinate efforts at the request of the Governors. (7) Under the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, the Federal Government and FEMA are not allowed to interfere with local operations unless they are authorized by state and local leaders.

Blanco did not authorize this until September 1, 2005.

Further, according to an Association Press report on August 30, “The federal government began rushing baby formula, communications equipment, generators, water and ice into hard-hit areas of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, along with doctors, nurses and first-aid supplies. The U.S. Defense Department sent experts to help with search-and-rescue operations.” (8) FEMA was there and helping, in the capacity that was allowed by local officials, but could not swing into full gear until after Blanco gave them permission.

Lie #3: The Bush Administration did nothing to control the anarchy.

The local and state governments have control over law enforcement activities in their state, and such activities could only be coordinated through the federal government with their permission. It was not until terrible reports of rapes and violence, videos of looting, and reports of shoots being fired at rescue workers did Governor Blanco relinquish any claim of control on an out-of-control city.

An August 31, 2005 Fox News Report reveals, “The looting prompted authorities to send more than 70 additional officers and an armed personnel carrier into the city. One police officer was shot in the head by a looter but was expected to recover, authorities said. Blanco said she will ask President Bush for military troops to help keep looting under control.” (9) Almost immediately thereafter, FEMA, the military, and the Bush Administration began to restore order.

Further, on September 2, 2005, the Bush administration “sought unified control over all local police and state National Guard units reporting to the governor. Louisiana officials rejected the request after talks throughout the night, concerned that such a move would be comparable to a federal declaration of martial law.” (10)

Lie #4: The Bush Administration did nothing to prevent the flooding.

Predictions of wide spread devastation have been known since Hurricane Camille in 1969. Despite these, it was local officials who reportedly appropriated funds designated for levee improvements towards such necessary purchases as a casino, hotel, and other projects.

Amazing, isn’t it?

From the carnage inside the Superdome, to the massacre of the truth on television, this is a sad time for all of America.

Just don’t forget who helped all this to happen….because despite what the media wants you to believe, it wasn’t President Bush.

Linda Prussen-Razzano is frequent contributor to Enter Stage Right and a number of other online magazines.


1. Associated Press, “Mandatory Evacuation Ordered for New Orleans,” August 28, 2005, 10:48 a.m. CT.

2. Knight Ridder Newspapers, “National Hurricane Director had to call Nagin at home Saturday night to plead: "Get people out..." by Marc Caputo, David Ovalle, and Erika Bolstad, August 28, 2005



5. Washington Post, “Many Evacuated, but Thousands Still Waiting, White House Shifts Blame to State and Local Officials,” Manuel Roig-Franzia and Spencer Hsu, Washington Post Staff Writers, Sunday, September 4, 2005; Page A01

6. FEMA Press Release, “Emergency Aid Authorized For Katrina Emergency Response In LA” August 27, 2005

7. Associated Press, “Bush Declares Emergency in Louisiana,” August 27, 2005

8. Associated Press, “Federal Government sent emergency supplies to Louisiana as early as Tuesday,” August 30, 2005

9. Fox, “It’s Not Safe In New Orleans,” August 31, 2005

10. Washington Post, Ibid
69 posted on 09/08/2005 4:21:29 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: knowyouremeny

Oh man, I love a parade!


70 posted on 09/08/2005 4:27:59 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Capn TrVth

LOL! That looks an awful lot like Don Imus these days ...

71 posted on 09/08/2005 4:29:40 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: knowyouremeny

you, sir, are a moron...............

72 posted on 09/08/2005 4:41:49 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Terrorists are murderers.........Feed them pork and kill them!)
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To: knowyouremeny

73 posted on 09/08/2005 5:02:58 AM PDT by wolicy_ponk (If we're not the mainstream, how come we nearly control all three branches of Government?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Amateurs should not mess around with constitutional and federal law. You could hurt yourself, or others. Both the law and the Constitution required the first action by Louisiana and New Orleans. Any conclusion you reach to the contrary is a matter of simple confusion


74 posted on 09/08/2005 5:19:33 AM PDT by Alia
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To: knowyouremeny; Swordmaker; All
ll of this is assuming that the state is under in a state of emergency, which it was... governor declared state of emergency on 26th...

The letter from Blanco to Bush initially requesting $130 million in Federal aid is dated 08/28/05, so this person is full of it. Typical liberal tactics....denial, hate, falsification, misinformation....Politics of course have been involved, but so has Constitutional Law.

Hopefully knowyourenemy has the ability to look into the mirror first and won't implode as truth and Euphoric dreams collide (matter and anti-matter scenario).

Once again, cheers to all you FReepers for quick ZOT which are well aimed and well deserved. When will people wake up in this country and realize just how big an enemy The Far Left is and its seething insanity of hatred for the truth when it conflicts their delusions. Blanco Emergency Relief Request

Usually, declarations of emergencies simultaneously coincide with requests to Federal gubmint for disaster relief. However, I haven't had enough time and neither was I a fly on a wall to know exactly the sequence of events, but Blanco's letter is dated as it is.

75 posted on 09/08/2005 5:21:57 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Jackknife

LOL!!!! Good one! lol...

76 posted on 09/08/2005 5:22:46 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Jackknife
Good one!!!

Even a nice sweet little kitty will bite and scratch the hell out of ya if you screw with it out of simple meanness from lack of understanding mixed with simple respect and compassion.

77 posted on 09/08/2005 5:28:37 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: Congressman Billybob

You're too charitable. It read more like willful deception to me.

78 posted on 09/08/2005 5:43:42 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)
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To: not_apathetic_anymore

"Much lawyer time will probably be spent either confusing or trying to clairfy to the public."

I pray the time is spent clarifying so first responders will be better prepared for future emergencies, and not spent finger pointing and playing the blame game.

79 posted on 09/08/2005 6:09:36 AM PDT by rwa265 (I was blind, now I see)
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To: Lemondropkid31

Oh, that's what it was! I was trying to figure it out. I thought knowyouremeny was 'know you're me New York'.

80 posted on 09/08/2005 6:13:39 AM PDT by rwa265 (I was blind, now I see)
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