Lincoln holiday on its way out (West Virginia)

West Virginia Gazette Mail ^ | 9-8-2005 | Phil Kabler

[Grand Old Partisan]

Thanks. I have been to where the legislature met in April 1861, a tavern in Frederick, Maryland. It was my understanding then that there were troops on hand.

[Roccus]

Lived through that and totally forgot about it!
SHEEESH!!!

[Grand Old Partisan]

You are right, that the September 1861 meeting was the one in Frederick.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Forgot about what?

[Grand Old Partisan]

Forgot about what?

[Roccus]

Ike citing GW to send troops to AK.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Yes, the civil rights angle aside, Ike was furious that the Arkansas Governor was using state troops to defy the federal government.

[Roccus]

Orvill Faubus (sp?) standing in the schoolhouse door with helmeted guard on either side. I still can't believe I forgot about that. }:^P

[lentulusgracchus]

If Washington had been alive in 1861, he'd have been standing beside Lincoln to preserve the Union. Both were Federalists who believed in a strong Union to preserve American peace and freedom.
On the other hand, Jefferson Davis pursued a despicable line .....

Pinging the First Corps. They're at it again.

Ping.........

[lentulusgracchus]

You may call it make-believe, but the formation of the state of West Virginia was accepted by the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court.

Which doesn't cancel the Constitution, but instead calls for corrective action by a later Congress, which should deprive West Virginia of its seat in the Union and reunite it with the Richmond government.

Break out those old 49-star flags, and put away the 50-star flags until Puerto Rico changes its mind.

[lentulusgracchus]

Once WV was formed, Lincoln and Congress granted it statehood. To argue the right or wrong of these actions is like a chicken or the egg controversy.

No, it isn't. By their own theory, Virginia was still part of the Union, and Virginia did not give her consent to partition. Ergo the partition of Virginia was flatly unconstitutional, then and now.

Nothing to the contrary whatsoever withstanding.

[lentulusgracchus]

Lincoln did not suspend the Constition, just habeas corpus, which is perfectly constitutional.

Lincoln was a military tyrant, and used the Constitution as a doormat.

[lentulusgracchus]

If Washington had been alive in 1861, he'd have been standing beside Lincoln to preserve the Union.

Don't be so sure of that.

As for being a Federalist, so too was Bobby Lee.

Until Abe dumped on the Constitution by proclaiming insurrection on his own sayso, and inviting the Northern partisans to sign up for a little getting-even at South Carolina's expense.

That's when Virginia left the Union, and Bobby Lee went with her.

[Grand Old Partisan]

See post #17. As accepted by Congress, the President, and the Supreme Court, West Virginia received authorization for its formation from the legitimate government of Virginia, headed by Governor Francis H. Pierpont, who remained as Governor of Virginia until 1868.

[BlessedBeGod]

It's already "President's Day" here in Illinois -- the Land of Lincoln.

[GOP_Proud]

< Unfortunately, I'll go to my grave as "...that feller from New York City" instead of as a Mountaineer >

Round these here parts that's a step up from "durned ferner".

Welcome, new hillbilly.

I'm West "by God" Virginia, born and raised and will die a Mountaineer.

[stand watie]

or better yet, just ABOLISH the holiday celebrating the country's chief WAR CRIMINAL & TYRANT.

free dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

Which doesn't cancel the Constitution, but instead calls for corrective action by a later Congress, which should deprive West Virginia of its seat in the Union and reunite it with the Richmond government.

The Supreme Court recognized the constitutionality of the existence of West Virginia when it agreed to hear the case of Virginia v West Virginia in 1871.

[Roccus]

You contradict yourself, in post 51 you say that Virginia was part of the Union and in post 53 you state that Virginia left the Union.

[Verginius Rufus]

It's possible that a later Virginia legislature officially endorsed the separation of West Virginia (as if they had any choice by then). Lincoln may have treated the rump VA legislature as legally entitled to act for the state, but I don't think Congress treated it as a valid state government in other respects. Economically, Virginia is probably better off without its lost counties.