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Eleven Children Found Caged in Ohio Home
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Posted on 09/12/2005 8:18:35 PM PDT by jmc1969

WAKEMAN, Ohio - Sheriff's deputies found 11 children locked in cages with alarms in a north Ohio home, and prosecutors are looking into possible charges of abuse and neglect.

The children, ages 1 to 14, were in nine cages in the walls of a house outside this city of about 1,000 about 50 miles west of Cleveland, according to the Huron County Sheriff's Office. They had no blankets or pillows, and the cages were rigged with alarms that sounded if the cages were opened, Lt. Randy Sommers said.

The children told authorities they slept in the 40-inches-high by 40 inches-deep cages at night. Doors to some of the cages were blocked with heavy furniture.

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To: Tuxedo
"No Ohio is Republican, and Wakeman is in a more conservative area too."

Then they moved from Pennsylvania or Michigan; or they are deep soil, early Demrat natives. . .I know they woulda/coulda voted for Algore for President (!)

51 posted on 09/12/2005 9:19:48 PM PDT by cricket (.Just say NO U.N.)
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To: jmc1969

Just put the "parents" in open pop when they go to jail. The convicts will know what to do.


52 posted on 09/12/2005 9:58:30 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Lizavetta
Why do I get the disturbing thought that these will be classified as "homeschooled" children?

Don't worry I got your point.
53 posted on 09/12/2005 10:09:51 PM PDT by notfondajane (I did think Barbarella was kinda cool though.)
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To: cricket
Ohio is a Demrat state, right?

Ah no, why? You think only crimes like this happen in Democratic states? Come on.

In any event, I think Charlie Manson is from Ohio too.

54 posted on 09/12/2005 11:18:12 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: jmc1969

don't tell me... they were "homeschooled."


55 posted on 09/12/2005 11:26:14 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: Nov3
I hardly think foster children would be allowed to be home schooled.

we were allowed to homeschool our son while he was our foster child... we ended up adopting him... according to our social worker, he had other families who also homeschooled...

56 posted on 09/12/2005 11:29:03 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: cricket
"On their coffee table... "The Compleat Works Of Edgar Allen Poe."

my boys (4 and 9) love Edgar Allen Poe... the 4-year old even named his toy black raven Edgar Allen Poe... when he sees blackbirds he says, "look, Mommy... there's Edgar Allen Poe."

57 posted on 09/12/2005 11:31:56 PM PDT by latina4dubya
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

before or after the fire ants are put in their shorts . . .


58 posted on 09/12/2005 11:32:54 PM PDT by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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To: Black Tooth

LOL. . .on Charlie's home. . .


59 posted on 09/12/2005 11:52:56 PM PDT by cricket (.Just say NO U.N.)
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To: latina4dubya
"my boys (4 and 9) love Edgar Allen Poe..."

Kudos to you for introducing great literature to your young children. ;^). . .

And kudos to your children for being duly impressed. . .

60 posted on 09/12/2005 11:58:35 PM PDT by cricket (.Just say NO U.N.)
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To: fat city

Yet another Ohio "foster parent" program disaster. At $1,500 / mo / child.



For $198 THOUSAND bucks a year you'd think they'd be able to afford somehing at least a LITTLE nicer than being housed like pound dogs.

There's a warm seat in hell for bastards like that. It's not a very big one, but what it lacks in size, it makes up for in temperature.

The government ***holes who "facilitated" this travesty will have to share the accomodations with them, though. It might just get a tad cramped for a while. Like eternity, is what I'm thinking...

Unreal. Damn!


61 posted on 09/13/2005 4:13:56 AM PDT by Tom Thumbs
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To: Tom Thumbs
For $198 THOUSAND bucks a year you'd think they'd be able to afford something at least a LITTLE nicer than being housed like pound dogs.

Some foster parents are in it for the money. This couple seems to be. Does anyone think these evil bastards could pull in this kind of money working honest jobs?
62 posted on 09/13/2005 4:23:17 AM PDT by dennisw (***)
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To: jmc1969

We need pictures. The word cage is awfully perjorative -- I have heard of similar "sleep pods" in Japan that people pay to be in. Sounds like the state is trying its case in the media. I want to wait until the facts are out before I come to a conclusion.


63 posted on 09/13/2005 4:31:46 AM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: jmc1969
"The Gravelles said a psychiatrist, recommended they make the children — ages 1 to 14, with conditions that included autism and fetal alcohol syndrome — sleep in the cages at night".

Hmmm...possibly why the authorities aren't sure what charges should be filed. Apparently the children weren't malnourished either. Sounds kind of sick to me...but this story doesn't really offer enough info to make that judgement.

64 posted on 09/13/2005 6:15:53 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Lizavetta

nah, if they had been homeschooled, Protective Services would have taken them away long ago for being "abused"


65 posted on 09/13/2005 10:32:38 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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To: Nov3

Actually, they were homeschooled. Heard it on the news this morning. Makes it harder to catch things like this when no one around even knows of the childrens' existence.


66 posted on 09/14/2005 7:24:25 PM PDT by ktscarlett66
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To: jmc1969
The "story" is most likely editorializing to the MAX. It's the AP. Why do we take what they say about citizens as gospel truth when we pooh-pooh what they say about the President?

Judgment needs to be withheld until the facts are out or risk becoming a bunch of common, ACLU-trained, gossips.

Bet we find out the parents were Christian-types & someone wanted revenge.

67 posted on 09/15/2005 6:32:40 AM PDT by madison10
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To: Nov3; Lizavetta
Maybe you ought to - I went to regular school.

LOL! OK, that was funny. :)

Lizavetta, I'm sure you'll be delighted to know that an earlier article DID mention that they were homeschooled. As a homeschool mom myself, my reaction was the same as yours.

68 posted on 09/15/2005 6:41:44 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: fat city; lightingguy

1500 a month? Wow. Hey LG, maybe we should be foster parents. ;)


69 posted on 09/15/2005 6:42:55 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: agrace

My reply was knee-jerk. This site now has a significant number of people who think you don't have a right to raise your child as you see fit. I think they all read and subscribe to "It Takes a Village" or something. They think CPS doesn't have enough power. My God the ultimate government power is the ability to seize your child. In 47 of 50 states they can do just that and you don't even have the right to a jury trial!


70 posted on 09/15/2005 6:49:25 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3
My God the ultimate government power is the ability to seize your child. In 47 of 50 states they can do just that and you don't even have the right to a jury trial!

Terrifying isn't it. Definitely this homeschooler's worst fear. I'll never forget a case out of NC a few years ago, discussed a bunch here on FR. A naked toddler ran out into the front yard chasing a cat and a passerby called CPS. A social worker went to their house and demanded private interviews with the kids, the family refused and they were in court for four years trying to resolve the issue. The case went all the way to the NC Supreme Court, who found for the family 7-0.

71 posted on 09/15/2005 7:18:39 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: agrace
Definitely this homeschooler's worst fear.

You don't have to be a homeschooler. The biggest mistake is to allow your child into the public school system. They own your child then - you just house them.

72 posted on 09/15/2005 8:07:47 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: agrace; fat city

I'm sorry, have you met the ones we already have??

; )


73 posted on 09/15/2005 8:23:56 AM PDT by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: Nov3
You don't have to be a homeschooler.

Perhaps you misunderstand me. I consider homeschooling to be one of the most blessed things I have ever done, and feel strongly led of God to do so. We are in our 4th year and I wouldn't change a thing. A little paranoid apprehension over the far reaches of CPS doesn't even compare to the peace I have about my kids not being subject to public schools.

74 posted on 09/15/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: jmc1969

Foster children are nothing more than cash cows for folks looking to pay the car note every month.


75 posted on 09/15/2005 8:32:06 AM PDT by cyborg (I finally got a job today. Thank you God. Thank you Our Lady of Lourdes' prayer petition.)
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To: lightingguy

The two youngest are loudly fighting over a puzzle right now, while the oldest is working on history, frustration evident. :)


76 posted on 09/15/2005 8:32:18 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: agrace
A little paranoid apprehension over the far reaches of CPS doesn't even compare to the peace I have about my kids not being subject to public schools.

I understood you! I was just pointing out that public school is a high risk area for "government intervention". The home schoolers are also demonized repeatedly.

The fact of the matter is that it is a national disgrace that you are not entitled to a jury trial with your defense provided when your children are seized. It is also a national disgrace that some CPS funding is dependent on them taking and placing children.

77 posted on 09/15/2005 8:59:20 AM PDT by Nov3 ("This is the best election night in history." --DNC chair Terry McAuliffe Nov. 2,2004 8p.m.)
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To: Nov3
OH! I misunderstood YOU! You were saying that the fear isn't limited to homeschoolers. Sorry about that! :)

The fact of the matter is that it is a national disgrace that you are not entitled to a jury trial with your defense provided when your children are seized. It is also a national disgrace that some CPS funding is dependent on them taking and placing children.

National disgrace indeed. I think we have the Mondale Act to thank for that one.

78 posted on 09/15/2005 10:43:59 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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