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Fleming senior wears racist T-shirt to school
Jacksonville.com ^ | 9.15.05 | BRAD SCHMIDT

Posted on 09/15/2005 10:46:04 AM PDT by conserv13

"What's up with your shirt?"

Those are the words a former senior at Fleming Island High School remembers hearing as he walked from his fifth-period algebra class toward the gym. The 18-year-old, who is not being identified due to his family's concerns of safety, had just taken off his Dixie Outfitter T-shirt, exposing a highly offensive shirt.

"What about it?" replied the 18-year-old, skinny and white.

"Well, you know it's racial," said a black student, now in a group confronting the 18-year-old.

"Yeah. So?"

The undershirt the white student wore had a confederate flag on the front with the words "Keep it flying." On the back, a cartoon depicted a group of hooded Klansmen standing outside a church, waving to two others who had just pulled away in a car reading "Just married."

Two black men in nooses were being dragged behind.

Upset by the shirt, a 17-year-old black student hit the white student in the head. A crowd of about 100 students gathered to watch the Aug. 29 fight before authorities intervened.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dangerseeker; darwin; dixie; dixielost; florida; hateflag; idiot; moron; race; rebellion; slavery; slaves; treason; tshirt
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To: jude24

So why not use the original Confederate flag, the Stars and Bars with the blue cannon if you want to show that Southern Pride branches out to everybody, not just white people? It'll show a lesson to the Ku Klux Klams that Southernness will not be misappropriated by lunatics.


51 posted on 09/15/2005 10:59:52 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: conserv13

The white kid got what he deserved.


52 posted on 09/15/2005 11:00:30 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: AbeKrieger
So we have TWO morons here. Filter out the gene pool. One racist moron and one violent felon

I'd say more than two, perhaps 3 or 4 depending on his parental situation.

53 posted on 09/15/2005 11:00:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: jude24
Actually, since the KKK appropriated the Confederate flag as its symbol

So, if another racist group use the American flag as it's symbol does THAT then become a racist flag????

Is white bed linen a racist symbol if is on your bed?

54 posted on 09/15/2005 11:00:55 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it.)
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To: MineralMan

Jerks like this are responsible for people connecting the Confederate Flag with racists and Klu-Kluxers.

I'm not black, but I find the shirt offensive and think he deserved a pounding - preferably from some SCV white student before the black kid even got to him.


55 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: MineralMan

If you hit a member of a protected minority for expressing anti-white hate speech, you would be charged with a hate crime before they hit the ground.


56 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:09 AM PDT by FNG
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To: Dallas59
But yet I hear RAP music lyrics wanting kill everything that isn't black.

You do? Really? Examples?

Is racsim only a "white" thing?

Surely not, but this is certainly racism, and its about as extreme as you can get. The kid deserved to get punched, and a whole lot more.

57 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:12 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: DoraC

The Black kid isn't an idiot.

that would be the moron wearing the shirt.

as for hitting him, sure it would be wrong to do so, but the White kid more definitely deserved it.


58 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:14 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (The better team won..... Hey Fox News, MORE MOLLY, LESS Greta van Talksoutthesideofhermouth)
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To: conserv13

i vote to neuter both of them - who needs this stupidity?


59 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:19 AM PDT by phil112
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To: MineralMan
I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one. The t-shirt is the equivalent of "fighting words."

You did notice the description of the back of the t-shirt, right....the two black people being dragged behind the car in nooses?

Sorry. If I'd been there, I'd have punched this kid, and I'm about as white as they come.

Yeah, I agree that the T-Shirt was stupid, and I would have said something about it too. However, I take the position that no amount of free speech should lead to anything other than more free speech. We shouldn't go down that road. Disciplinary actions are far better in such a case. The white kid has to be told that what he put on was unacceptable.
60 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:33 AM PDT by DoraC (Ceterum censeo Palaestinam esse delendam!)
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To: conserv13
I think that shirt definitely crosses over the "fighting words" line.

He deserved to get punched in the head - more importantly he deserves to be tossed out on his ear by the Marines.

61 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:42 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wtc911; azhenfud

If this constitutes "fighting words", why wouldn't the daily rhetoric of the left wing? Is it your opinion that we have the legal right to respond to speech that offends us with violence?


62 posted on 09/15/2005 11:01:43 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Gentlemen may cry, "Peace! Peace!" -- but there is no peace. - Patrick Henry)
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To: conserv13
"I'm not racist or anything," he said. "It's just, some people I hate, some people I don't get along with. And black people just happen to be the ones

Umm guess what kid that' pretty much the definition of racist. Hope he gets the biggest, blackest, meanest DI the Corp has to offer.
63 posted on 09/15/2005 11:02:09 AM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: conserv13
So, he's joining the Marines. I wonder what THIS Marine will think of that t-shirt? He's the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps, John L. Estrada:


64 posted on 09/15/2005 11:02:17 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: thoughtomator
It wouldn't be a good fight to fight a left winger, they're all skinny wimps who believe in non violence and take an esoteric martial art that has been proven to be obsolete in our era.

You want somebody that can actually throw a punch or a kick.

65 posted on 09/15/2005 11:02:22 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: DoraC
I think the black student is the idiot here. There is no justification to hit someone, even if you are "offended" by his stupid T-Shirt.

The white student was begging for it. The black student obliged.

66 posted on 09/15/2005 11:02:53 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Alter Kaker

Okay. There was a thread a few days ago about the head of Hillary Now saying "Freepers should be shot." If a Freeper had hit him, I doubt very much whether that Freeper could prove justification and escape civil or criminal liability. Joking about lynching is offensive, but it shouldn't justify physical assault.


67 posted on 09/15/2005 11:02:58 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: cripplecreek
I was starting to feel some compassion for the kid

At first I thought it was going to be about some kid being assaulted for just wearing the Stars and Bars.

What a sickening T-shirt.

68 posted on 09/15/2005 11:03:07 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Dallas59
Is racsim only a "white" thing?

Nope, but it doesn't make this any more right or wrong and it was definitely wrong. I would have probably hit him myself.
69 posted on 09/15/2005 11:03:25 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (The better team won..... Hey Fox News, MORE MOLLY, LESS Greta van Talksoutthesideofhermouth)
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To: AbeKrieger
So we have TWO morons here. Filter out the gene pool. One racist moron and one violent felon. Case closed.

As far as I'm concerned, the guy who hit this kid couldn't have been more justified. I think if put in the same situation, 98% of the human population would be "violent felons."

70 posted on 09/15/2005 11:03:34 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: conserv13

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1482518/posts

71 posted on 09/15/2005 11:03:37 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: conserv13

bttt


72 posted on 09/15/2005 11:03:54 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: jude24
Then I guess "Y'all" will have to be a bit more millitant when liberals "appropriate" and twist the language for their own purposes....

No comment on what happens when "Bevis" meets "LL Dumb-J"

73 posted on 09/15/2005 11:04:22 AM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: DoraC

i agree too. i was offended by Kanye West, yet i didn't strike him.


74 posted on 09/15/2005 11:04:34 AM PDT by jw777
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To: MineralMan
There is no justification to hit someone, even if you are "offended" by his stupid T-Shirt." I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one. The t-shirt is the equivalent of "fighting words." You did notice the description of the back of the t-shirt, right....the two black people being dragged behind the car in nooses? Sorry. If I'd been there, I'd have punched this kid, and I'm about as white as they come.

How 'bout just saying: "Nice shirt, dip$*&t!"?

75 posted on 09/15/2005 11:04:52 AM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Bush is responsible for Hurricane Katrina; like spoons are responsible for Rosie O'Donnell being fat)
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To: lady lawyer
Joking about lynching is offensive......

Who said he was "joking"?

76 posted on 09/15/2005 11:05:08 AM PDT by gdani
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To: MineralMan

He'll probably say "Boy, you think you're so superior because you is white!? Gimme 100 pushups. Private Jenkins, get on this boy's back and make sure he does it right!"


77 posted on 09/15/2005 11:05:13 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: conserv13

Yesterday's local paper announced a gay pride parade in a nearby town this weekend. The paper said that groups opposed to gay "rights" plan to protest the parade, then mention the KKK as one of them. No other opposition group was mentioned by name.

Personally, I'd rather not protest a gay pride parage alongside klansman. It makes you wonder if they are really klansman, or just gay activists posing as klansman to give the illusion that the only people that oppose gay "rights" are nutcases and racial bigots.


78 posted on 09/15/2005 11:05:19 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (thos)
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To: Dallas59
Is racsim only a "white" thing?

Why yes, actually--by definition. At least according to the Leftist Dictionary of the English Lanauge.

79 posted on 09/15/2005 11:05:35 AM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The Democrat spelling for "government.")
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To: MineralMan
Sorry. If I'd been there, I'd have punched this kid, and I'm about as white as they come.

Everybody has a right to freedom of speech/expression. OTOH, everybody has a responsibility to take the consequences of it. In this case, he got his consequences.

80 posted on 09/15/2005 11:05:47 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: MineralMan

http://www.alldumb.com/item/13968

Idiots.


81 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:02 AM PDT by jpeg82
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To: Puppage; jude24
"Is white bed linen a racist symbol if is on your bed?"

LOL!!

Well, the white dude's mouth prolly assisted greatly in this altercation. Sometimes, a little dose of shut-my-mouth helps, unless one has the wherewithall to back it up.

83 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:23 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: FreedomCalls

Attacking those jerks would be akin to bullying. Look at them, they're skinny, pale and out of shape.


84 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:23 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: TypeZoNegative
you also have to hear other people's chagrin

Maybe, but he did more than just "hear" it didn't he?

I wonder if Byrd was under one of them hoods.

85 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:49 AM PDT by Lekker 1 ("Who the hell wants to hear actors talk?"- Harry M. Warner, Warner Bros., 1927)
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To: conserv13
"My mom was kind of upset about it. My dad was like, whatever, it's your life."

IMO speaks volumns.

86 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: thoughtomator
"Racist or not, we either have free speech or we don't."

Actions have consequences. You may think all speech is free but that is incorrect. The First Amendment protects your speech from GOVERNMENT interference. Your neighbor may still legally bash your nose if you speak "fighting words".

87 posted on 09/15/2005 11:06:57 AM PDT by NetValue (No enemy has inflicted as much damage on America as liberals.)
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To: thoughtomator

I think the courts have ruled that certain types of speech can be restricted in schools if that form of speech is an impediment to the learning procees for other students. Sory of a modified you can't yell fire in the movie house sort of thing. I think this would certainly apply here.


88 posted on 09/15/2005 11:07:01 AM PDT by Ignatius J Reilly
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To: thoughtomator

Your hyperbole is silly.


89 posted on 09/15/2005 11:07:26 AM PDT by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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To: lady lawyer
I have to wonder out loud what would happen to a black kid who made a racial slur against whites? You can't tell me that never happens. Would he be punished?

A white kid would be branded racist for daring to question the black kid's remarks.

90 posted on 09/15/2005 11:07:35 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ncountylee

No. If you read the whole story you'd have read that the white kid chose not to press charges.


91 posted on 09/15/2005 11:07:39 AM PDT by dmz
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To: sandbar
Ok, that shirt was completely unacceptable. That being said, how much do you want to bet that these kids get away with assault because they were OFFENDED.

Well, if you use the often devoid of intelligence, liberal logic, the black kid should be charged with assault as a hate crime.

92 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:09 AM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Bush is responsible for Hurricane Katrina; like spoons are responsible for Rosie O'Donnell being fat)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Everybody has a right to freedom of speech/expression. OTOH, everybody has a responsibility to take the consequences of it. In this case, he got his consequences.

The only legitimate consequence is disciplinary action, all the other things are inappropriate. I suppose you wouldn't advocate murder because someone was "offended", would you? Where do you draw the line?
93 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:24 AM PDT by DoraC (Ceterum censeo Palaestinam esse delendam!)
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To: jude24

I love people saying its ok to hit the kid...Just remember it when its you and yours...Yes the kid is an idiot but lets not get silly here


94 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:27 AM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: jpeg82

Great video!


95 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:28 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: DoraC
I disagree. There are many reasons to hit someone. One of the reasons this country is in such sad shape is that people are scared to hit someone. Instead they call lawyers.

This kid has a shirt that could pass if it was just a rebel flag, but dragging two blacks behind a car deserves a wuppin.

Now it would be interesting to see what would happen if a black kid had a picture of two whites being dragged behind a car.
96 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:38 AM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Lekker 1

He heard a ringing in his ears after he got punched.


97 posted on 09/15/2005 11:08:58 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: MineralMan
I'm afraid I must disagree with you on this one. The t-shirt is the equivalent of "fighting words.

Wrong,wrong,wrong! No,that kid shouldn't have been wearing such a T shirt in school.

Yes,the kid wearing it should have been punished,perhaps even with long term (or even permanent) expulsion.

Yes,any student offended by the T shirt had the right to go to the Principal's office and complain vigorously (same with any kid's parents)

No,the kid had no right to assault the wearer under those circumstances.

And,BTW...the same would apply if the situation was reversed (black kid wearing a T shirt that says "Kill Whitey",white kid assaulting him).

98 posted on 09/15/2005 11:09:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: DoraC

I agree. The press will undoubtedly rally behind the black student as having a "right" to lash out at something offensive.

I'm sure that there a quite a few of us who are sick and tired of being called racists by unelected black leaders, but we're expected to sit there and take it. The mere existence of affirmative action presumes racism by businessmen, regardless of background.

The black student helped reinforce the stereotype of blacks being violent. It's too bad the black student just didn't walk away.


99 posted on 09/15/2005 11:09:23 AM PDT by DilJective (Property ownership is a right. Taxing us out of our homes is criminal.)
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To: jude24

Yes it does...what world you in?


100 posted on 09/15/2005 11:09:29 AM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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