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Baghdad Bombings Raise Anew Questions About U.S. Strategy in Iraq
NY Times ^

Posted on 09/16/2005 8:25:54 PM PDT by jmc1969

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Sept. 16 - The rash of car bombings in Baghdad this week has once again thrown into debate whether the American and Iraqi counterinsurgency strategy is working.

The explosions underscored how the loosely knit and elusive networks of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, former Baathists and other extremists still can recruit discontented Iraqis and foreign fighters to launch well-coordinated attacks, even as American and Iraqi forces stage offensives intended to root out the insurgents.

Before the latest round of bombings, one senior officer at the United States Central Command conceded that Mr. Zarqawi's organization remained "a very robust network" despite the heavily touted capture and killings of numerous underlings in Mosul, Tal Afar and other communities where the insurgents found refuge and even safe haven.

Commanders say they plan to squeeze the Zarqawi leadership and Iraqi insurgents in those areas. Throughout the spring and summer marines and Army forces staged raids into those same towns, confiscating weapons and killing scores of insurgents. But many fighters melted into the countryside, and there were not enough coalition troops to keep a sufficient presence in the villages.

Commanders say new offensives in Anbar Province in coming weeks will be modeled on the siege of Tal Afar, which used 8,500 American and Iraqi troops.

Some independent critics say that the unabated violence suggests the military has been focusing too much on hunting down and killing insurgents and not enough on providing security in population centers like Baghdad - safe zones that could spread like "oil spots," as Andrew F. Krepinevich Jr. wrote in the current issue of Foreign Affairs.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: iraq; oif

1 posted on 09/16/2005 8:25:56 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

How about, "Baghdad Bombings Raise Anew Questions About Zarqawi/aQ Strategy in Iraq"


2 posted on 09/16/2005 8:28:13 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Right Wing Assault

We are winning this war...the Times must be so upset.


3 posted on 09/16/2005 8:29:30 PM PDT by bronxboy
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To: jmc1969
Bunk. The strategy IS working - we are systematically depriving Al Qaeda of strongholds, safehouses and arms depots. The MSM just refuses to recognize the terror structure won't be vanquished overnight - Rome was not built in a day. As it is the enemy can blow up civilians but he cannot gain territory or strategic assets. And God willing, we will soon have him on the run.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 09/16/2005 8:29:56 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: bronxboy

How many times has the Times used that opening sentence or something very close to it in an article to describe the Iraq quagmire, failure, etc? Sheesh. The Gray Lady is going senile.


5 posted on 09/16/2005 8:32:29 PM PDT by demnomo
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To: jmc1969
Before the latest round of bombings, one senior officer at the United States Central Command conceded that Mr. Zarqawi's organization remained "a very robust network"

Yeah, right. So robust that they can't do a thing to stop anything either the Coalition or Iraqi Army do. They were annihilated at Tal Afar. All they can do "militarily" anymore is blow up Shia day-laborers.

The Times must have gone through dozens of officers before they found one to give them their headline.

I hate these ****ing traitors.

6 posted on 09/16/2005 8:33:11 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: jmc1969
They're getting better at their headlines. I was expecting, Is the U.S. losing the war?
7 posted on 09/16/2005 8:35:34 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: jmc1969

Katrina? What's that?


8 posted on 09/16/2005 8:35:49 PM PDT by neodad (Rule Number 1: Be Armed)
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To: jmc1969

geeze....the NYT will run this article or a variation every few weeks.....


9 posted on 09/16/2005 8:37:25 PM PDT by stylin19a (In golf, some are long, I'm "Lama Long")
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To: jmc1969

The Old Grey Whore seems upset that these bombings are taking place in Baghdad instead of New Yawk. I guess they'll feel cheated.


10 posted on 09/16/2005 8:37:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We Gave Peace A Chance. It Didn't Work Out. Search keyword: 09-11-01.)
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To: jmc1969

Operation in Tal Afar and Qaim does not kill terrorists in Baghdad nor in any other place. The raids in Tal Afar and Qaim only targets terrorists in Qaim and Tal Afar, nothing less and nothing more. I am not optimistic about the sharp drop of attacks with terrorists are decreasing in chunks while thinking it is the logistical problems of terrorists causing the sharp decrease of attacks, but the offensive in Tal Afar and Qaim should have decreased some of the terrorists. New York Times failed to get the news from the government of Iraq for a drop of attacks down to 55% in recent weeks.


11 posted on 09/16/2005 8:38:30 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: Right Wing Assault

Just more NYT junk from three of the most virolent leftists on the payroll. Move along....


12 posted on 09/16/2005 8:39:10 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: jmc1969

The NY Times has become a parody of itself. "Raises new questions..." LOL, the NY Times tries to act as if it's hasn't raised every objection, every possible negative issue imaginable to thwart to efforts of the U.S. military on our behalf. Zarkowi isn't dead, he's just too busy behind the scenes writing new stories for the N.Y. Times to publish in their quest for "objectivity and enlightenment".

No wonder the NY Times is trying to sell subscriptions on a national level. There couldn't possibly be enough brain-dead idiots living in one city to support such a filthy rag.


13 posted on 09/16/2005 8:39:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)
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To: demnomo

The Times and their liberal cronies want the war to be lost...they hate pres. Bush more than they love their country. Why was the Balkan adventure not a 'quagmire'...we basically helped our enemy who are now busily unleashing jihad on the West.


14 posted on 09/16/2005 8:53:04 PM PDT by bronxboy
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To: jmc1969

What a phoney article this is. Unfortunately, I guarantee that the Washington Post, the LA Times, CNN, and name your own will pick up exactly this line. Simply because it appears in the New York Times. The news media is incapable of thinking for itself.


15 posted on 09/16/2005 8:54:02 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: jmc1969

What a phoney article this is. Unfortunately, I guarantee that the Washington Post, the LA Times, CNN, and name your own will pick up exactly this line. Simply because it appears in the New York Times. The news media is incapable of thinking for itself.


16 posted on 09/16/2005 8:55:38 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: jmc1969
Some independent critics say that the unabated violence suggests the military has been focusing too much on hunting down and killing insurgents and not enough on providing security in population centers like Baghdad

Restated: Critics wonder if hiding in bunkers would be more effective than catching and killing the terrorists. Mmmmm... sounds like a plan.. gees..

Other plans put forward by critics to "Win"


17 posted on 09/16/2005 8:55:41 PM PDT by dalight
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To: popdonnelly

The dreaded double post strikes again.


18 posted on 09/16/2005 8:56:15 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: bronxboy
We are winning this war...the Times must be so upset.

Absolutely. One correction though: We won the war. It's over. It has been over for almost two years. The game is not in overtime. We're not in extra innings. Please: the Iraq war is over. And we won.

19 posted on 09/16/2005 9:04:50 PM PDT by mumps
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To: jmc1969

There's nothing wrong with the US strategy. The Bush administration just did not anticipate that the American MSM would side with the enemy.


20 posted on 09/16/2005 9:05:55 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: citizencon

Part of the problem is that foreign money is still coming into the country. So long as they can buy the complicity of the Arab Sunnis, they will be able to do this sort of IRA stuff.


21 posted on 09/16/2005 9:11:29 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: jmc1969

Stop telling the we're coming...
The tactics of the current military command are undermining our effectiveness in defeating these thugs.
Stop telling them what we are going to do, and JUST DO IT.


22 posted on 09/16/2005 9:34:20 PM PDT by DragonMarine (Capitalism works, but it has to be paid for. (From the halls of Montezuma...)
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To: mumps
... Absolutely. One correction though: We won the war. It's over. It has been over for almost two years. The game is not in overtime. We're not in extra innings. Please: the Iraq war is over. And we won. ....

Worth repeating.
23 posted on 09/16/2005 10:47:00 PM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: jmc1969

NYT- The German advance in the Battle of the Bulge calls into question if we are winning WWII and if we should shift to defensive trench warfare which successfully won WWI.

And it is FDR's fault.


24 posted on 09/17/2005 4:56:50 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: bronxboy
...Why was the Balkan adventure not a 'quagmire'...we basically helped our enemy who are now busily unleashing jihad on the West.

Exactly. It's an absolute mess, still. However, you ain't gonna hear or read of its failure from the MSM. They gotta protect Bubba Clinton's (ahem) "legacy."

25 posted on 09/17/2005 7:56:23 AM PDT by demnomo
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To: goldstategop; jmc1969
Bunk. The strategy IS working - we are systematically depriving Al Qaeda of strongholds, safehouses and arms depots. The MSM just refuses to recognize the terror structure won't be vanquished overnight - Rome was not built in a day. As it is the enemy can blow up civilians but he cannot gain territory or strategic assets. And God willing, we will soon have him on the run.

Which was exactly the opposite of the Soviets in Afghanistan. The Soviets were unable to control territory outside of the capitol of Kabul especially after the US supplied the Afghani militias with Stinger missles.

26 posted on 09/17/2005 2:10:12 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: jmc1969

Intellectually bankrupt article. How could they be raised anew? The NY Times and its ilk hasn't stopped from the very beginning.


27 posted on 09/17/2005 2:11:13 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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