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Emotional Rather blasts 'new journalism order'
Brietbart.com ^ | September 19, 2005 | By Paul J. Gough, Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

Posted on 09/19/2005 8:36:17 PM PDT by aculeus

NEW YORK (Hollywood Reporter) - Former CBS News anchor Dan Rather said Monday that there is a climate of fear running through newsrooms stronger than he has ever seen in his more than four-decade career.

Rather famously tangled with President Nixon and his aides during the Watergate years while Rather was a hard-charging White House correspondent.

Addressing the Fordham University School of Law in Manhattan, occasionally forcing back tears, he said that in the intervening years, politicians "of every persuasion" had gotten better at applying pressure on the conglomerates that own the broadcast networks. He called it a "new journalism order."

He said this pressure -- along with the "dumbed-down, tarted-up" coverage, the advent of 24-hour cable competition and the chase for ratings and demographics -- has taken its toll on the news business. "All of this creates a bigger atmosphere of fear in newsrooms," Rather said.

Rather was accompanied by HBO Documentary and Family president Sheila Nevins, both of whom were due to receive lifetime achievement awards at the News and Documentary Emmy Awards on Monday evening.

Nevins said that even in the documentary world, there's a certain kind of intimidation brought to bear these days, particularly from the religious right.

"If you made a movie about (evolutionary biologist Charles) Darwin now, it would be revolutionary," Nevins said. "If we did a documentary on Darwin, I'd get a thousand hate e-mails."

Nevin asked Rather if he felt the same type of repressive forces in the Nixon administration as in the current Bush administration.

"No, I do not," Rather said. That's not to say there weren't forces trying to remove him from the White House beat while reporting on Watergate; but Rather said he felt supported by everyone above him, from Washington bureau chief Bill Small to then-news president Dick Salant and CBS chief William S. Paley.

"There was a connection between the leadership and the led . . . a sense of, 'we're in this together,"' Rather said. It's not that the then-leadership of CBS wasn't interested in shareholder value and profits, Rather said, but they also saw news as a public service. Rather said he knew very little of the intense pressure to remove him in the early 1970s because of his bosses' support.

Nevins took up the cause for Rather, who was emotional several times during the event.

"When a man is close to tears discussing his work and his lip quivers, he deserves bosses who punch back. I feel I would punch back for Dan," Nevins said.

Rather praised the coverage of Hurricane Katrina by the new generation of TV journalists and acknowledged that he would have liked to have reported from the Gulf Coast. "Covering hurricanes is something I know something about," he said.

"It's been one of television news' finest moments," Rather said of the Katrina coverage. He likened it to the coverage of President Kennedy's assassination in 1963.

"They were willing to speak truth to power," Rather said of the coverage.

Rather sidestepped the question of what should happen to the evening news in the expected makeover. "Not my call," he said. And he said he hadn't been asked, either.

"I gave it everything I had, I didn't hold anything back. I did the best newscast we were capable of doing," Rather said.

Nevins, who almost single-handedly has kept the art of the independent documentary on television, said the HBO documentaries show real life and do it with as little damage to the subjects as possible. She said the producers and directors "respect mostly the people on the other side of the camera."

Nevins said she didn't shy away from such R-rated topics as "G-String Divas" and "Taxicab Confessions" but noted that sex and passion have been topics of literature since Chaucer's day. "The most R-rated is a body bag, not a naked body," Nevins said.


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To: nutmeg

LOL !!! PING


151 posted on 09/19/2005 11:52:40 PM PDT by Deetes (God Bless the Troops and their Families)
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To: sharkhawk

Wasn't Trudeau's 'Roland Hedley' supposed to be Dan Rather?

Sheesh. It must have been at least 20 years ago that I could even stomach Trudeau's crap.


152 posted on 09/20/2005 12:08:51 AM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over TWO YEARS now)
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To: aculeus

Yeah, it's really hell suddenly being held to some kind of minimal standard for truth and accuracy in reporting (by pajama people, no less) after getting away with telling lies and half-truths your whole career.


153 posted on 09/20/2005 12:12:22 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: aculeus
...climate of fear running through newsrooms...

Yeah, you weaasels. Tell the truth with a vengeance, or lose your jobs and reputations.

154 posted on 09/20/2005 12:26:59 AM PDT by Tax Government (Put down the judicial insurrection. Contribute to FR.)
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To: aculeus

Dan Blather is an a$$hole of the first order!


155 posted on 09/20/2005 12:34:53 AM PDT by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: aculeus

Danny Boy you are a liar, a creepy liar. FreeRepublic ended your career. And not one report on Juanita Broaddrick.


156 posted on 09/20/2005 12:37:34 AM PDT by doug from upland (Arianna Huffington loves that big gas guzzling Suburban)
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To: jimfree
Too bad he actively and obviously tried to turn an election by reporting falsehoods.

He did try to turn an election. But, being human and very ambitious, his principal motivation was to get a scoop, to be the first with the mostest. And he didn't report a falsehood. He made assertions which couldn't be adequately substantiated. Quite a different thing.

157 posted on 09/20/2005 2:52:44 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: All

Katrina coverage was nothing short of a Bush hit piece..Half truth and biased reporting. Yea Dan , I BET you wish you were involved in it .


158 posted on 09/20/2005 3:14:38 AM PDT by hoboken109
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To: liberallarry

He made assertions which couldn't be adequately substantiated. Quite a different thing.
He made assertions that he didnt BOTHER to substantiate because it was a HIT PIECE on Bush and THAT"S what he was most concerned with .Violated the most basic law of reporting.


159 posted on 09/20/2005 3:18:09 AM PDT by hoboken109
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To: aculeus
Poor Dan, railing against the openning of the news sources to real people. It must hurt awfully not to have his hands on the throttle anymore.

Despite his protests, does anyone doubt that he'd jump at the chance to host a prime time show on Fox News if it was offered?

160 posted on 09/20/2005 3:21:27 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: mcenedo
"I gave it everything I had, I didn't hold anything back. I did the best newscast we were capable of doing," Rather said.

But that's not saying much, Danny boy!

161 posted on 09/20/2005 3:29:34 AM PDT by airborne
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To: Theresawithanh
I can't believe none of y'all have posted this, so I will...

WHAT'S THE FREQUENCY, KENNETH?

Sorry but that's obsolete. It's now.............

WHAT'S THE FONT KENNETH?

162 posted on 09/20/2005 3:31:09 AM PDT by bad company ( Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: aculeus
Dan Rather - another example of Legacy America. Proof that the 70's won't die without one more spasm of vomitus.
163 posted on 09/20/2005 3:48:38 AM PDT by .cnI redruM ( "Go ahead, punk, make my Earl Grey." - Mark Steyn)
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To: hoboken109
He made assertions that he didnt BOTHER to substantiate because it was a HIT PIECE on Bush and THAT"S what he was most concerned with

Nah, nah. He thought he had adequate substantiation. But in the real world it's rarely possible to satisfy everyone, to provide the proverbial "smoking gun". And the pressures of meeting deadlines and outdoing the competition often cause reporters to cut corners.

I don't deny that he wanted to "get Bush" and this played a big part in his "throwing caution to the winds". What I do deny is that his assertions were proved to be false...

164 posted on 09/20/2005 3:48:44 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

You are making way, way too many excuses for sloppy , biased reporting . Even after the FRAUD was discovered he still stalled and floundered. "even if the documents are fake , what they say is real " Are you kidding me bro ? Rather is garbage and has been for years . My high school newspaper would have fired him . He's been falsly reporting the news for years according to his political leanings.


165 posted on 09/20/2005 3:59:58 AM PDT by hoboken109
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To: aculeus
…"dumbed-down, tarted-up" coverage…

I actually agree with Rather on something - but only with this one phrase.

"It's been one of television news' finest moments," Rather said of the Katrina coverage. He likened it to the coverage of President Kennedy's assassination in 1963. "They were willing to speak truth to power," Rather said of the coverage.

Yep. A real fine moment for TV news coverage. The only damage covered was the 200 square miles of New Orleans with only the rare and random few seconds about Biloxi. The other 90,000 square miles were ignored. The reporters covered their butts when stressing various “untruths” by prefacing their statements with “People are saying” or “It is being said”.
166 posted on 09/20/2005 4:06:38 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: aculeus
Addressing the Fordham University School of Law in Manhattan, occasionally forcing back tears,

Dan Rather has to choke back tears when he reads the freaking phone book. Anyone who's familiar with the guy knows he's emotionally unstable.

167 posted on 09/20/2005 4:11:01 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: liberallarry

All anyone has to do is produce a 1970-era typewriter that can produce identical documents.


168 posted on 09/20/2005 4:13:49 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: hoboken109
You are making way, way too many excuses for sloppy , biased reporting

Maybe so. I'm no expert on reporting.

Even after the FRAUD was discovered he still stalled and floundered.

True, I think. Although I don't recollect anyone actually confessing to fraud. I think what happened is that everyone agreed that Rather didn't have the goods and he refused to admit it for far too long.

"even if the documents are fake , what they say is real "...

...or most likely is real. The evidence for this is strong.

Rather's...been...reporting the news for years according to his political leanings.

Everyone does this to one degree or another. To expect anything else is naive and utopian.

169 posted on 09/20/2005 4:14:39 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: aculeus
"All of this creates a bigger atmosphere of fear in newsrooms," Rather said. "And that your Honor, is the reason why I HAD to forge that memo about Bush." (sniff, sniff) (/wishful thinking)
170 posted on 09/20/2005 4:15:03 AM PDT by Centaur (Never practice moderation to excess.)
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To: aculeus

Hey, Dan --

Exit stage left.

Buh-bye.


171 posted on 09/20/2005 4:17:15 AM PDT by GadareneDemoniac
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To: Sloth
I don't want to re-argue this stuff.

I looked at the evidence as best I could at the time and remained unconvinced that anything had been proven one way or the other. You, obviously, came to a different conclusion.

That often happens...which is why we have majority rule rather than unanimous consent, why there are hung juries, appeals courts, scientific examinations of old evidence, etc.

172 posted on 09/20/2005 4:20:25 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: aculeus

He sounds like a whiney old queen who has been banned from the gay pride party for peeing in the punch bowl.


173 posted on 09/20/2005 4:21:17 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Milhous
They consider Wonkette an informational blog?  BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!  Now, that is one heck of a stretch for them!  No wonder they will soon meet the same fate as the dinosaurs!
174 posted on 09/20/2005 4:22:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
He sounds like a whiney old queen who has been banned from the gay pride party for peeing in the punch bowl.

And there goes breakfast ...   =)

175 posted on 09/20/2005 4:23:46 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: aculeus
What's the number..DAN?
JMHO...senile, drooling, elitist,"has-been"/"once-was", bitter, (D)emoc 'rat ic (S)ocialist of (A)merica Moron.
176 posted on 09/20/2005 4:25:41 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: softwarecreator

Rather got an award at the Emmys

Rush said that that is where a guy who makes up the news should get an award.


177 posted on 09/20/2005 4:25:44 AM PDT by MudSlide
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To: MudSlide

I'm posting this on any thread I can find that vaguely applies. Speaking of journalism and lies, read this:

Get this, if you haven't already heard. Buchanan was just on Imus in the Morning. However, that's not what I want to talk about. Also on Imus this a.m., they just said that bloggers have busted that guy who appeared on Tim Russert's Sunday show last weekend, Alan Broussard (I think it's Alan, the Broussard is right), who did the whole rap about the dead grandma at the nursing home who was never rescued and that it was all Bush & FEMA's fault, the "someone's coming for you Monday, Tuesday, Wed, Thurs, and then she allegedly died on Friday, it is all a lie. Grandma died on that first Monday before the levees broke, Grandma wasn't even at the nursing home Broussard named, and everything Broussard said was all lies. Hahahahahaha. Wait till this gets out. Wait till Rush gets hold of this, or Hannity, or Brit Hume. This is going to be a delight. And Tim Russert was totally snookered, as was all the MSM who hung on this jerk's every word as he wove his sad tale, his lying sad tale. Oh, this is going to be good.


178 posted on 09/20/2005 4:26:59 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Thinking out loud.)
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To: aculeus

Here's a man who has sacrificed his principles for a cause he knew was wrong, and is on the threshhold of realizing that his entire life was an utter waste.

That's why he's crying.


179 posted on 09/20/2005 4:29:39 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Vision Thing; Buckhead
I see he's enjoying his retirement as much as we are...I'm surprised that emotional Dan is not mad at you personally.

LOL! ...Priceless! :D

180 posted on 09/20/2005 4:30:31 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: MudSlide
Rush said that that is where a guy who makes up the news should get an award.

Or a Pulitzer Prize for "Best Short Story: Fiction."

181 posted on 09/20/2005 4:32:27 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: liberallarry
He did try to turn an election.

You're wrong. He did turn elections. He was deceptive and tried to swing emotion to the more socialist candidate, everytime. Emotion gets out the voter. He lied. He lied on purpose.

He was a socialist that planned to deceive America so that central government would overcome state's rights for the purpose of transferring wealth.

For 50 years a majority of Americans could not see the difference in the confiscation of property and government compassion. Dan contributed to this. In a century in which socialists killed more people than all the wars combined a newsman actually belived that socialism was the best way to spread comppassion, by force if necessary. He was a cheerleader for thieves and killers with a free speech half hour on TV.

182 posted on 09/20/2005 4:33:41 AM PDT by alrea (terrorists practice on children)
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To: jimfree
"It was beginning to create rather than report the news."

MSM has been creating the news for over 30 years, they didn't just begin doing it. The difference now is that outlets like FR exist. They can't get away with it anymore. That's what Rather is upset about.

183 posted on 09/20/2005 4:34:28 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (.)
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To: aculeus

184 posted on 09/20/2005 4:34:59 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (The best things happen just before the thread snaps.)
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To: Tiger Smack
Rather went on:

"Back then, when we manufactured evidence to justify our Communist perspective, By God NO ONE Challenged it. It was taken as Gospel."

His lip quivering, Rather sighed. "Nowadays, they just don't take what we journalists have to say on face value. They want proof. And then they want the proof to be valid. And they sic a bunch of amature 'fact checkers' to double-check us. Don't they understand that journalism is for professionals?"
185 posted on 09/20/2005 4:35:56 AM PDT by Shazbot29 (Trolling member of the DU Activist Corps!)
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To: aculeus

Not so much fear, as panic that they've been found out and things will never again be the same.
News readers are as dumb as rocks.


186 posted on 09/20/2005 4:37:38 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: aculeus

"All of this creates a bigger atmosphere of fear in newsrooms," Rather said."

It better put some fear in them. I'm not sure what these people would do for a living if they couldn't be news casters. ( maybe, POLITICS)


187 posted on 09/20/2005 4:37:48 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: aculeus

Liberals interview each other, and they wonder why the MSM is irrelevant.


188 posted on 09/20/2005 4:39:59 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Tiger Smack

He didn't say what he REALLY thinks, which is that the internet has KILLED the news business as it used to be.
The Pajamahadeen and many others like us get the stories out there that the MSM doesn't want us to know.
I'm COMPLETELY CONVINCED that if it were not for the internet, the flooded school bus picture would have NEVER been seen by the masses. The MSM HATES the internet and the power we now have to find out things they don't want us to know!


189 posted on 09/20/2005 4:41:39 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: liberallarry
Rather's...been...reporting the news for years according to his political leanings.

Everyone does this to one degree or another. To expect anything else is naive and utopian.

Then they should state their worldviews up front instead of continually telling us they have no bias.

190 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:09 AM PDT by Lacey
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To: alrea
He was deceptive and tried to swing emotion to the more socialist candidate, everytime. Emotion gets out the voter. He lied

True...but this is the essence of politics. You're deceiving yourself if you believe otherwise. There are genuine political and philosophical differences among people. All sides think they're right and justify whatever it is they do to gain power.

He was a socialist that planned to deceive America so that central government would overcome state's rights for the purpose of transferring wealth.

True in essence but way, way over the top. He didn't believe in laissez faire. He believed that wealth transfer was a necessary and good modification of market distribution.

For 50 years a majority of Americans could not see the difference in the confiscation of property and government compassion. Dan contributed to this

True. Now it's a very substantial minority. And of course they don't see it the way you do. They believe that much property is obtained illegally and immorally and, regardless of that, that there are higher values than ownership.

Dan contributed to this. In a century in which socialists killed more people than all the wars combined a newsman actually belived that socialism was the best way to spread comppassion, by force if necessary. He was a cheerleader for thieves and killers with a free speech half hour on TV.

Why would you expect a majority view to not have representatives among journalists? As for thieves and killers and their supporters let he who is innocent cast the first stone.

191 posted on 09/20/2005 4:53:33 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: alrea
He was deceptive and tried to swing emotion to the more socialist candidate, everytime. Emotion gets out the voter. He lied

True...but this is the essence of politics. You're deceiving yourself if you believe otherwise. There are genuine political and philosophical differences among people. All sides think they're right and justify whatever it is they do to gain power.

He was a socialist that planned to deceive America so that central government would overcome state's rights for the purpose of transferring wealth.

True in essence but way, way over the top. He didn't believe in laissez faire. He believed that wealth transfer was a necessary and good modification of market distribution.

For 50 years a majority of Americans could not see the difference in the confiscation of property and government compassion. Dan contributed to this

True. Now it's a very substantial minority. And of course they don't see it the way you do. They believe that much property is obtained illegally and immorally and, regardless of that, that there are higher values than ownership.

Dan contributed to this. In a century in which socialists killed more people than all the wars combined a newsman actually belived that socialism was the best way to spread comppassion, by force if necessary. He was a cheerleader for thieves and killers with a free speech half hour on TV.

Why would you expect a majority view to not have representatives among journalists? As for thieves and killers and their supporters let he who is innocent cast the first stone.

192 posted on 09/20/2005 4:54:50 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

The Old Media is dead. Long live the New Media.


193 posted on 09/20/2005 4:55:17 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Lacey
Then they should state their worldviews up front instead of continually telling us they have no bias.

They should. Maybe the Internet will force them to do so. But I doubt it. People of all political persuasions seem to think they have special and unique access to "the truth". And there's the market value of claiming "objectivity". Money. Never underestimate its power.

194 posted on 09/20/2005 4:57:18 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Mo1
Hey Dan...if the internet was around in Nixon's day

We would have caught you in your lies then also.

How very true!

195 posted on 09/20/2005 5:13:19 AM PDT by meema
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To: rlmorel

LOL that's funny! I'll repeat the tag line of a FRiend of mine. "My give-a-damn is busted"


196 posted on 09/20/2005 5:24:11 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: WestTexasWend
BTW, how was the tailgating? ;)

Great! Your stuff was a hit--more exciting than the game, anyway.

197 posted on 09/20/2005 6:14:18 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (No amnesty needed...My ancestors proudly served. [remodel of an old '70s bumper sticker])
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To: Rome2000
"They were willing to speak truth [about Katrina] to power," Rather said of the coverage.
You mean like the "truth" that Broussard's coworker's mother died because the federal response wasn't quick enough?
"All of this creates a bigger atmosphere of fear in newsrooms,"
. . . and rightly so. Journalists being afraid to lie would be a good thing.

198 posted on 09/20/2005 6:15:07 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: SlowBoat407
Here's another good one like the one you posted:


199 posted on 09/20/2005 6:22:58 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: roses of sharon
A hurricane is speaking "truth to power", what is he talking about? How can a weather event be untrue?
Not the category-4 hurricane that hit NO - the category 6 one that hit Bush when the TV journalists started spinning halftruths about the "slow" federal response.

200 posted on 09/20/2005 6:34:38 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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