Skip to comments.Military guns too accessible to public(MEGA barf alert 3-4 bags)
Posted on 09/20/2005 10:59:19 AM PDT by freepatriot32
If I gave you $7,000 to spend on whatever you wanted, what would you buy? Seven thousand dollars may not be a huge sum of money, but it is still a significant chunk of change. I mean, you could buy a car, pay your room and board at EMU for the year, or have 70% of the buy-in for the World Series of Poker main event. The list is almost endless, but there is one item in particular that really struck me as surprising when I learned that my gift money could purchase it. It is the Barrett M82A1 sniper rifle, and for the fairly modest amount of seven grand, you could take one home today.
To those of you unfamiliar with the M82A1, as I was, my saying that it could be purchased for that price may not strike you as startling or worrisome. Upon researching this firearm further, my opinion rapidly changed. Just looking at the weapon, totally ignorant of its capabilities, I could tell that this was no peashooter. It looks like a modern-day cannon, but with a comfortable pistol grip slapped on the bottom. Thanks to war movies and an uncle who's a card carrying NRA member, I have seen and fired my fair share of weaponry, but never had I even seen a firearm as intimidating as this one.
Reading the gun's specs proved to be more than intimidating; it was downright scary. According to the product's website, the M82A1 "easily fires the largest commercially available cartridge in the world, the .50 caliber." The weapon doesn't just fire .50 caliber cartridges like a few other weapons, but does so with ease. What sets it apart from other .50 caliber rifles is the fact that it is not bolt action, but semiautomatic with a ten round clip. Instead of having to manually discharge the empty cartridge then load the next, you can snap off ten shots as fast as you can pull the trigger. Ten rounds at a buck from any .50 caliber rifle will leave hunters with very little to mount. I also learned that the gun has an effective range of over 2,000 yards. Hunters generally shoot at targets 150-200 yards away, so accuracy over ten times that distance is understandable, right? No, it really isn't, especially with a weapon so powerful. Unless the gun was designed for hunters planning on shooting game from over a mile away and then walking 15 minutes to go retrieve it, this weapon could not have been made for hunting.
Sure enough, the M82A1 was not created for civilian gamesmen. It was designed for use in the military and in law enforcement, both of which herald the M107 as the premier big bore rifle (the M82A1 is the civilian version). Used by the United States armed forces as well as over 40 others worldwide, the weapon has won several awards and Barrett has yet to have a contract not renewed due to the military being unsatisfied. What makes the gun so loved by armies across the globe? Not only does it boast incredible range and extremely destructive ammunition (standard rounds can go through brick walls); it has minimal recoil and is extremely easy to fire. With the recoil of a 12-gauge shotgun if fired from the shoulder and considerably less when fired from the stock bipod, it is very easy for a soldier with little practice or training to become very proficient with the weapon. This reason for praise quickly becomes cause for alarm if the gun falls into the wrong hands.
Now that I knew how effective the weapon was, I looked up what its applications are. Due to their gratuitous power, these guns are used to attack stationary or landing aircraft, tanks, armored personnel carriers and concrete bunkers. They are very rarely used on single enemy combatants, just as I rarely swat flies with a baseball bat. Like a rocket launcher with a tighter shot pattern, these rifles destroy enemy aircraft and tanks cleaner, faster and from farther away.
I think I have established the fact that the Barrett M82A1 is any target's worst nightmare, but now I think we all need to look at why I can get one of these easier than I could get a handgun. There is absolutely no reason why a civilian would need to own this weapon, yet background checks are looser on this gun than on a handgun because the M82A1 falls under the category of "hunting rifle" (Honestly, who are they kidding?). The amount of havoc that can be caused by this weapon if it found its way into the wrong hands is off the charts. Pedestrians would have to worry the least; the rounds can go through motor vehicles, walls or aircraft shells from over a mile away. Whether it be terrorism or just criminal use, no one would be safe. Another feature of the weapon that should get the thing banned is its ease of use. With minimal training, anyone could become extremely accurate with this weapon, endangering everyone within a mile radius.
Despite my firm agreement with the Second Amendment, there are specific cases where the right to bear certain arms is significantly more dangerous than what may happen if one could not. This is one of those cases. The Barrett M82A1 .50 caliber rifle, as well as all other semiautomatic .50 caliber rifles, has no place in society. They are not effective hunting weapons, and anyone could defend themselves more than effectively with a less powerful gun. This weapon is extremely dangerous and not worth the risk.
OOOOH mommie mommie the big bad looking weapon is scary let me hide under your skirt until the pee stains on my pants dry up and then lets ban the weapon so I will FEEL better cause i cant ever see a scary looking weapon again.This usleless puke needs to drop out of school and get the rest of his education at a san fransisco bathhouse.Hes going to end up there someday soon anyway.Oh yeah if you want to write to him and show him the error of his ways his email is
What a dork!!!!
Where do I mail the diapers?
Wow! $7000 for a rifle with a 10-round magazine. And he was able to write that much on it.
Kind of pales in comparison to the fact that for under $1000 you could buy enough fertilizer, diesel fuel, and rent a U-haul that could kill many more people than that rifle. What a dumba$$.
Just couldn't swing the 8 grand for the M82A1, and I doubt if the Police Departments in CA will be able to buy it or get it repaired at any price, from the factory.
Too accessible, my @$$ ...
The day I can go down to the corner hardware store and buy a brand-new, recent production full auto M4 carbine, at a free-market price, with no hassle, is the day that militaryr 'guns' are just barely accessible enough.
And poor Barrett. They always pick on the BMG yet forget about other 50 cal rifles like the BFG, as well as a plethora of foreign models from places like South Africa (pretty good one BTW) and the like.
But hey ....maybe one can only 'shoot down jetliners' using a Barrett BMG.
Grow a pair.
It's a beauty alright.
I frankly can't see much use for it for me except for fun or war but so what? It is not up to him to decide what I can have.
Didn't the Supreme Court say a while back that a sawed-off shotgun could be banned as a civilian weapon based on the 2nd Amendment because it WAS NOT a military weapon?
You can't have it both ways.
I think you're too late. It sounds like he's already wet his pants.
I want a M16M203 (aka the "Leetle Fren"). They have those at Wal-Mart yet?
But then, neither was the second ammendment.
I have NO USE for a .50 Calibre rifle.
I can't see that far!
It is just another gun grab spetnaz.
Well, which is it? Firm agreement or shallow cowardice?
The Loons of the Left. Still just trying to disarm law-abiding Americans. Karl Marx would have wanted it that way...and they cannot even approach their anti-Second Amendment agenda with ANY intelligence...
A clip huh?
"I have NO USE for a .50 Calibre rifle.
I can't see that far!"
Firm agreement some of the time. Was he in favor of the 2nd Amendment before he voted against the 2nd Amendment ?
WTH is a clip?
LMAO. Great post. :-)
We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts. No .50 cal rifle has ever been shown to have killed anyone in the U.S. To the contrary, the only New Orleans business and home owners who were not the victims of looting after Katrina were those who stood guard with their own firearms. On the other hand, it can be successfully argued that you owe me Liberals politics played a major roll in the deaths suffered as a result of Hurricane Katrina.
Speaking of self-defense, the EMI HELLHOUND round fired by the MLG-140 has entered the market. The MLG-140 fires six rounds in three seconds at ranges up to 400 meters, effectively covering a minimum destruction area/zone of 20x60 meters. The primary specialized round for the MLG-140 is the MEI HELLHOUND (High Order Unbelievable Nasty Destructive Series) Round, or HELLHOUND 40mm Low Velocity Multi-Purpose Round.
Yours in better self-defense,
I suppose this is supposed to show just how scary this gun is. I just LOVE how leftists cower in fear when they read the specs. It makes me wanna buy the gun even more.
The Militia of the United States has three constitutionally defined missions - Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution says "To provide for calling forth the militia to  execute the laws of the union,  suppress insurrections and  repel invasions." The Second Amendment defines the right of the people to keep and bear arms which are needed for the necessary well regulated militia to function. That doesn't mean a .22 LR single shot amigo. When the Army uses laser ray guns they will be protected too, and for the same reason.
There's also no reason to own a TV set, or a microwave , or a DVD player, etc. Also, I'd like this bozo to show me the word hunting in the 2nd Amendment.
As I don't have the cash for a safari, and my local range only goes to 200 yards, neither do I. But the guy that has one there has let me shoot it! He calls it "Testosterone in a can!"
It is fitting that this screed comes from a student at a school that has no committment to its own history. If they didn't have the scruples to stick with "Hurons", then I'm not surprised he doesn't have the scruples to stick with the constitution.
The MSM has had blood on the tips of their tounges for .50 Cal rifles ever since that 60 minutes piece.
Handguns are more carefully controlled because they are affordable, easy to acquire and favored by small time criminals. Nobody is going tospend $7,000 on a .50 cal rifle to knock off the local "stop and rob" mini-mart.
Notice this weenie appoints himself as one who can dictate what other persons need. As soon as you cede the control of what you need to a politician or bureaucrat, you are forever screwed.
And the second amendment was not created just for "gamesman".
I cant believe those againts our Right to Bear Arms think they can deflect us with this "we wont take guns away from hunters" bit.
I have a Firearm (and some think its an intimidating piece). If I ever have to seriously use it - it wont be to hunt deer and antelope..
> Despite my firm agreement with the Second Amendment,.....
Anyone here believe this? If so, contact me about buying some swamp land in New Orleans.
I can't read this article. I'm working and my blood pressure can't take it, but I have a question. Did the author ever mention how many Barrett's have been used in acts of crime? I bet not. So how would banning this firearm reduce crime rates? The author needs to visit the Knob Creek Machine gun Shoot and meet a few of the owners. Nice people. Thugs buy cheap guns.
"Also, I'd like this bozo to show me the word hunting in the 2nd Amendment"
Or sporting for that matter.
Why do weaselly anklebiters always have to include these hypocritical disclaimers? Pardon me, everyone, and cover your ears for a second:
HEY IDIOT! IT SAYS "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!!" GOT THAT??
Ahh, that's better. Who says only liberals get to "feel good about themselves"?
"Thugs buy cheap guns"
So true..if you really want your blood to boil you should look up on the net about how many of those firearms from the so called "gun buyback programs" ended right back out on the street.
There is absolutely no reason why a civilian would need to own this weapon,
Why is it that bedwetting crybaby liberals like this a$$ alsways state that they believe in the second amendment, and then every additional word out of they lying mouths is in total disagreement with the 2nd amend? They must think that we gun and freedom loving primitives in flyover country are too stupid to see the contradiction.
The edu address on the end of the bedwetters email address tells me that he really thinks the world of himself, but isn't quite ready to actually face reality.
He may be right about typical range a hunter might shoot for large game like deer. Years ago I went long-range deer hunting and the minimum engagement range was 600 yards. We were basically firing from the face of one mountain over to the face of the next. One of the weapons that we were using, a bolt-action .50 cal, was theoretically accurate out to 1200 yards.
I'd like to point out that the shooter isn't aren't necessarily "sighted-in" for the engagement range. You really need at least 1 spotter to help you correct your fire. This is analagous to "walking fire" onto the target, except that the correction can generally be made after the first shot.
Also, these weapons are heavy. The weight is partially to help absorb recoil -- it's basic physics. You really can't fire them from the shoulder, nor would you want to hump one through the woods. Basically, I wouldn't be too worried about a sniper using a weapon like the Barrett when there are so many easier/less expensive weapons to select from in smaller calibers.
I think I read that the Barrett has been purchased on a limited basis by the US Army. It hasn't been formally adopted yet.
He means a magazine. A clip looks like this:
"I have just inherited a little money looking at a new socom m1a, new 1911 (springfield armory) and a .45 Long Colt Ruger Vaquero."
That SOCOM is a SWEEEEET piece. The scout scope rail gets a little hot with prolonged shooting but your aimpoint should handle it just fine. Been schlepping an SA loaded for about three years now. Goes bang every time and puts em where I want em. Nice batch of toys.
good on ya!
This Adam Slingwein could use a little education which his NRA uncle appears to have neglected to provide. He would not get 50BMG rounds for $1 apiece, unless old military surplus. Precision rounds for Barrett would cost significantly more (he could get them, say, by disassembly, then size and weight standardization, then precision reassembly of the military ammo, or by de novo reloading). Then there is a minor problem with training: 2000 yards shooting ranges exist, but are far between, and so to properly master the Barrett he would have to spend significantly more than the cost of the rifle - add at least few more grand for ammo and transportation to and from the range.
He meant magazine, or detachable box magazine. The clip is actually the device that holds 8 rounds of .30-06 ammunition for an M1 Garand..... or did someone already answer that one?!
Law enforcement? THAT is what he should be outraged over, not a citizen having fun at the range. Just what is a law enforcement person going to do with a .50 cal rifle? Think about it.
If I could afford one, I'd buy it just as a conversation piece, and piss off one of my antigun neighbors.
Meanwhile I'll stick with my 30-06 that I bought when I was a college kid.