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Even with head start, Houston had a problem
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 24, 2005 | Erin McClam (A.P.)

Posted on 09/24/2005 1:13:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58

Texas officials sketched a staggered, orderly evacuation plan for Hurricane Rita and urged people to get out days ahead of time.

But tangles still arrived even before the storm's first bands. Panicked drivers ran out of gas, a spectacular, deadly bus fire clogged traffic, and freeways were red rivers of taillights that stretched to the horizon.

In an age of terrorist danger and with memories of the nightmare in New Orleans still fresh, the Texas exodus raises a troubling question: Can any American city empty itself safely and quickly?

Thousands of drivers remained stranded Friday to the north and west of Houston. Many were stuck in extreme heat, out of gas -- as gas trucks, rumored to be on the way, or at least buses to evacuate motorists, never came.

They were frustrated, angry and growing desperate, scattered and stranded across a broad swath of the state as the monster storm bore down.

Houston is a landlocked city, an hour's drive from the Gulf of Mexico. Besides Houston's 4 million people fleeing, as many as 2 million were trying to get out through Houston from the coastal side.

In Galveston County along the Gulf, authorities set up three evacuation zones, beginning Wednesday evening and staggered at eight-hour intervals, with the most outlying areas to be the first to leave. But people in all three zones left early anyway, further snarling traffic.

From Houston, the main roads out of town -- Interstate 10 to San Antonio, I-45 to Dallas, and U.S. Highway 290 to Austin -- were turned into one-way thoroughfares only Thursday, and even then the one-way flow began well outside Houston.

"There were some weaknesses," Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat, acknowledged to KTRK-TV on Friday. "We could have fixed some of the elements ... a fuel truck that works, a mechanical system that works, and opening the contraflow," the term emergency officials use for routing all lanes in one direction.

Later in the day, Jackson Lee told The Associated Press the state should have asked the Federal Emergency Management Agency for supplies. "I'm marching people all over looking for gasoline," she said.

Republican Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Friday decision to order one-way flow came after the storm, originally on a track south of Houston, changed course and headed toward Houston instead.

"It's not perfect," he said. "I wish I could wave a magic wand and somehow transport people magically from Houston, Texas, to Dallas or other points, but that's not the fact when you have the type of congestion that you see in the state of Texas on a daily basis."

He added: "I think when you look behind later, it will be almost miraculous that this many people were moved out of harm's way."

State emergency management coordinator Jack Colley said 2.5 million to 2.7 million Texans had already been moved out of harm's way, and the governor said 25 buses would canvass Beaumont, looking for people still trying to get out.

By midday Friday, lanes were restored to normal traffic. Still, many remained stranded beyond Houston's suburbs.

Before the late 1990s, emergency management officials were in charge of evacuations, and transportation engineers had little interest.

But those engineers have devoted great energy to the problem since Hurricane Georges forced an evacuation of New Orleans in 1998, and Hurricane Floyd an evacuation of the Carolinas in 1999.

Rita and her hellish predecessor, Katrina, come in the new age of terror, as authorities try to draw up plans for clearing out cities in the event of deadly strikes with unconventional weapons.

Still, experts say the massive coastal zone that needs to be cleared of people before a major hurricane is far larger than the area to be evacuated after an industrial accident or a terror attack.

In the event of a nuclear accident, federal rules require the evacuation of a 10-mile radius around the plant. After a so-called "dirty bomb" nuclear detonation or the release of chemical or biological weapons, only the region immediately downwind of the release point would have to be cleared.

"Natural disasters just dwarf anything that's manmade," said Reuben B. Goldblatt, a partner at traffic engineering firm KLD Associates in Commack, N.Y.

Brian Wolshon, a professor of civil engineering at Louisiana State University, said Texas officials "will probably see there were things they could have done better."

But he added: "It's not economically or environmentally feasible to build enough roads to evacuate a city the size of Houston in a short time and with no congestion. It's just not going to happen."

It was a point all too clear to Bruce French, who left his home in Clear Lake, Texas, early Thursday, and ran out of gas just past Conroe, far short of his destination of Dallas. On Friday morning, he was stranded, waiting for fuel.

"They're giving $10 worth of gas if you're on empty and $5 if you have some," he said. "That's not going to get you very far."

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EDITOR'S NOTE -- Associated Press writers Kristen Hays in Houston, Liz Austin in Austin and Suzanne Gamboa in Washington, National Writer Matt Crenson in New York and photographer Paul Sancya contributed to this story.


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To: BigSkyFreeper

Where did you get your information that Katrina was a Cat 5 when it was 600 miles away from New Orleans?

If what you are saying is true Miami did quite well, in your world when it was hit by Cat 5 Katrina.

Come back with some fact that will stand!


161 posted on 09/27/2005 9:40:46 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
I am not sure how many hurricanes you have experienced in Montana

Doesn't matter. When there's a hurricane barrelling down on you, you get the hell out.

162 posted on 09/27/2005 9:41:25 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: IronMan04
Where did you get your information that Katrina was a Cat 5 when it was 600 miles away from New Orleans?

Same place where I got the information that it was 450 miles across, and that the eye was 40 miles wide.

163 posted on 09/27/2005 9:42:23 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Your information is false. You cannot even get the date Katrina hit NOLA and the MGC correct.


164 posted on 09/27/2005 9:44:23 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Your information is false. You cannot even get the date Katrina hit NOLA and the MGC correct.


165 posted on 09/27/2005 9:44:23 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
You cannot even get the date Katrina hit NOLA and the MGC correct.

Maybe so, but the fact you're defending the mayor of NOLA and the governor of LA is laughable.

166 posted on 09/27/2005 9:47:15 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: IronMan04
Your information is false. You cannot even get the date Katrina hit NOLA and the MGC correct.

Take it up with the National Hurricane Center.

167 posted on 09/27/2005 9:48:09 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

"Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!"
- Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore



LOL!!!!!!!!!!!


168 posted on 09/27/2005 9:49:24 PM PDT by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You really need to check the date and understand the Katrina did not turn into a CAT 5 until late on 8/27/05.


BTW-How about the million people that were able to evacuate the New Orleans area BEFORE the Storm hit?
169 posted on 09/27/2005 9:50:38 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
How about the million people that were able to evacuate the New Orleans area BEFORE the Storm hit?

What about 'em?

170 posted on 09/27/2005 9:54:05 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: willyd; Ditter; laotzu
there were people that didn't make it from 610 loop and 290 to the beltway in 12 hours...

Actually, I made that exact trip in 20 minutes at the peak of the evacuation traffic jams -- by just staying away from the 290 freeway and using the surface streets...

And the gas stations away from the freeways had plenty of gas and no lines, too.

If we had to evacuate, I had an off-the-beaten-path route from Houston to Dallas (and points beyond) picked out in advance that would have gotten us out of town without having to approach within miles of any of the major evacuation routes.

171 posted on 09/27/2005 9:54:40 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: IronMan04
You really need to check the date and understand the Katrina did not turn into a CAT 5 until late on 8/27/05.

I think I already said that. You said it was a Cat 1 and somewhere over Miami.

172 posted on 09/27/2005 9:55:11 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: IronMan04

FYI, it hit the Florida Keys, and was well south of Miami.


173 posted on 09/27/2005 9:56:06 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Don't Get Stuck On Stupid!" - Lieutenant General Russell "Ragin' Cajun" Honore)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If Nagin was so inept how did over a million people get out of the area over only one road?
174 posted on 09/27/2005 10:08:07 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Ichneumon
How well did your property, and neighborhood, survive the storm? Any damage?

What part of Houston are you in?

175 posted on 09/28/2005 6:28:20 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: IronMan04

I do believe Houston is about 3 to 4 times NO population, so that may have something to do with it.


176 posted on 09/28/2005 6:56:50 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Graybeard58

Here's something that might work:

Evacuate the entire coastline of the United States.

Now.

Permanently.

Yup, that's right. A 100-mile swath of real estate from Alaska to Maine should now be off limits.

GET OUT NOW WHILE YOU CAN!!!


177 posted on 09/28/2005 7:01:49 AM PDT by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: beckysueb

Actually, many people that were not in the evacuation zones left. My friend in the Memorial area left town, and I was like "we could have stayed with you guys if you had stayed in town."


178 posted on 09/28/2005 7:02:22 AM PDT by Lanza ( Houston - Clear Lake area , Texas)
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To: IronMan04

Please tell me how you are going to stop people from self evacuation in Houston or in any city?


179 posted on 09/28/2005 7:02:32 AM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Ichneumon

Congratulations. I watched it all on tv (satellite tv mind you) which never even went out once during the storm. I was amazed as well.


180 posted on 09/28/2005 1:43:13 PM PDT by willyd (Good Fences Make Good Neighbors)
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