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Even with head start, Houston had a problem
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | September 24, 2005 | Erin McClam (A.P.)

Posted on 09/24/2005 1:13:44 PM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: No Truce With Kings
People *listen* to you. They apparently do not listen to me.

What did you say?

61 posted on 09/24/2005 2:25:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Bob Mc

Wolf Blitzer went nuts yesterday questioning a FEMA official on this topic. It seemed he thinks a better job could be done moving more than 2 million people out of a city with two major Interstates that were useable only to the north and west. What a dumb shit. The MSM will be doing back flips trying to figure a way to pin the orderly RITA process on bad planning.


62 posted on 09/24/2005 2:28:32 PM PDT by devane617
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To: IronMan04

"Do you know for a fact that all the elderly and infirmed were evacuated from Houston?"

Don't know about Houston, but everyone south of Houston evacuated the elderly and infirm. That was reported on the Galveston Daily News web site. (They even had one story about buses being at one city (La Marque), with the hired drivers doing a Nagin. They found volunteer drivers -- and the folks got out. The bus that burned was taking people from Bellaire, btw.


63 posted on 09/24/2005 2:29:06 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: IronMan04

Yep a disaster in some peoples eyes....... but few deaths, people not stranded in rising water, very little looting, etc. A little more complicated than moving some 1/2 million or so when you are trying to move some 3 or more million..

Now all that said I doubt any evacuation plan for a major populated area will get the people out in a short time. I think that is evident with the two sister hurricane evacuations.


64 posted on 09/24/2005 2:29:34 PM PDT by deport
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To: devane617

The New Orleans area has one road out of town and got 1.1 million people out before the storm hit.


65 posted on 09/24/2005 2:29:59 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: deport

The New Orleans MSA has 1.3 million people.


66 posted on 09/24/2005 2:30:44 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: deport
It took people longer to get from Houston to Austin for the Rita evacuation that it look me to get from New Orleans to Austin.

Something went very wrong in the Houston Evacuation.
67 posted on 09/24/2005 2:34:00 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Graybeard58
"Panicked" drivers? I didn't see anyone panicking. You don't have to panic if you plan and act BEFORE the disaster.

Then there's this: In an age of terrorist danger and with memories of the nightmare in New Orleans still fresh, the Texas exodus raises a troubling question: Can any American city empty itself safely and quickly?

NO, DUMBASS. That's the whole point those of us spouting off about logistics since LA screwed up Katrina so bad have been trying to make to you morons in the press.

68 posted on 09/24/2005 2:35:47 PM PDT by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect.)
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To: No Truce With Kings

uhm . . . yeah . . . I just love being called an idiot, that really helps my self esteem. ;-)


69 posted on 09/24/2005 2:36:01 PM PDT by TheMom (My husband and children rock! I am like a rock . . . round and thick.)
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To: Graybeard58
What we need to do is to get somebody to invent one of them teleporter things that they have in "Star Trek." I'm sure this will be very expensive so just mass produce them so that we can achieve some semblance of economy of scale. At that point, these teleporters should be affordable to most families.

Then the next time some sort of hurricane hits, everybody can just teleport to some other city that is unaffected by the hurricane.

Teleportation is the answer. Either that, or build super-wide highways that are about a half mile wide. Wasn't Texas talking about building some of these wide roads?

70 posted on 09/24/2005 2:36:56 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: IronMan04
The New Orleans area has one road out of town and got 1.1 million people out before the storm hit.

Three roads out of town. I-10 East, I-10 West and the highway north over Lake Pontchartrain.

Nagin failed to get the sick and infirm out of town. Galveston evacuated all hospitals, as did League City, Texas City, Webster, Pasadena and south Houston hospitals and nursing homes.

Apparently, New Orleans evacuated no hospitals, and few nursing homes.

You've got a bit of a chip on your shoulder in trying to defend Nagin and Blanco. Anybody with two eyes could see the difference between the Texas mobilization and the "you're on your own" evacaution of New Orleans.

71 posted on 09/24/2005 2:36:58 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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To: Graybeard58; No Truce With Kings
What did you say?

*LOL*

72 posted on 09/24/2005 2:37:31 PM PDT by TheMom (My husband and children rock! I am like a rock . . . round and thick.)
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To: IronMan04
It took people longer to get from Houston to Austin for the Rita evacuation that it look me to get from New Orleans to Austin.

Something went very wrong in the Houston Evacuation.

You're stuck on stupid. It took longer to get from Houston to Austin in Rita because more people were evacuating!

This has been explained to you several times, yet you can't seem to get it.

Very little went wrong with the Houston evacaution, and your attempt to denigrate it won't change what people clearly saw.

73 posted on 09/24/2005 2:39:46 PM PDT by sinkspur (Just west of DFW Airport. We can take in four or five and two dogs.)
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To: IronMan04

The New Orleans MSA has 1.3 million people.



Damn...... still short of the population of the city of Houston..... What's the population of NO? 1/2 million or so?


74 posted on 09/24/2005 2:48:16 PM PDT by deport
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To: sinkspur
Three roads out of town. I-10 East, I-10 West and the highway north over Lake Pontchartrain.

While there are three roads out of New Orleans there are not three that are safe and effective for an evacuation.

I-10 East goes straight to Mississippi and would interfere with the Evacuations from the Mississippi gulf Coast.

The Causeway? Would you take a 26 mile bridge over that lake while a hurricane was approaching? One stalled car and thousands would be killed by storm surge.

That leaves I-10 West as the only viable route out of town.

75 posted on 09/24/2005 2:51:53 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

Well good for you and I'm glad you made it safely both ways. Glad you got to spend some time on the Texas roadways and hope you enjoyed the trip. We always enjoy people spending money with us. Come again and drop a few more dollars.


76 posted on 09/24/2005 2:52:56 PM PDT by deport
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To: deport
The New Orleans MSA has one road out for 1.3 million people. (I-10 West)

The Houston area has I-10 West, I-45 North, 59 North and 290 West for four million people.
77 posted on 09/24/2005 2:57:30 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
If Rita would have gone over Galveston and Houston as a CAT 4 or 5 you would now be seeing the failures of the evacuation as you did in New Orleans.

It appears to me, the lessons learned from Katrina need a little tweaking. Also, twice as many people evac’ed.
I live in Florida, looks like Texas used our method of evacuation. The problem was not enough gas stations, in Florida there’s one every block.
This demonstrates the dangers of “one size fits all” import. Charlie, Fran, etc… 2004.
Ritas lessons will overall improve evacuations in the future. For me this includes I will need 2 days “rations” if evac’ed even if it’s a near miss.
If I risk staying and I do take the hit, Could I be rounded up for “Camp Dome” living? I’m unsure.
In the end loss of life, folks who choose to leave can, those who stay understand the possible outcome.

Jammer
78 posted on 09/24/2005 2:58:18 PM PDT by JamminJAY (This space for rent)
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To: deport

Lucky I did not have to leave Houston but I had friends and family that did.


79 posted on 09/24/2005 2:59:28 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: TheMom

"I just love being called an idiot, that really helps my self esteem. ;-)"

Well, before feeling too bad, just remember that your enemies are a measure of your quality. Anyone without any probably isn't worth a bucket of warm spit.


80 posted on 09/24/2005 2:59:49 PM PDT by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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