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France is 'enemy No 1'
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Posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:28 PM PDT by Ironfocus

Paris - An Algerian Islamist organisation, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), has issued a call for action against France, which it describes as "enemy No 1", intelligence officials said on Tuesday.

"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr," said the group's leader, Abu Mossab Abdelwadoud, also known as Abdelmalek Dourkdal, in an internet message earlier this month.

He was quoted as saying: "France is our enemy No 1, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of our community."

France was mentioned 15 times in the text and the Algerian government was also targeted, said the officials.

Nine people detained in a series of raids west of Paris on Monday are suspected members of the GSPC, officials have said.

They were being questioned for a second day on Tuesday at the headquarters of the DST domestic intelligence agency.

Interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy said on Monday the risk of terrorist attack in France is "at a very high level... There are cells operating on our territory".

The GSPC was created from a split in the Armed Islamic Group, the main force in Algeria's long insurgency, which was also responsible for a series of bombings in France in 1995.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; jihadinfrance
This should be interesting....the alert level has immediately been raised to white.
1 posted on 09/27/2005 7:35:28 PM PDT by Ironfocus
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To: Ironfocus
Gee, do you mean all that Muzzle-em arse-kissing didn't do a bit of good?

What a shame, what a........BWAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, couldn't keep a straight face typing that one.
2 posted on 09/27/2005 7:38:36 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: Ironfocus

Great, after the ass whippin' they get, we have to liberate them again.


3 posted on 09/27/2005 7:40:54 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: Ironfocus

If France does get hit, maybe some other European countries who are not on board with the WOT will wake up.
I don't hope that they get attacked, but if they do, I hope it serves as a badly needed wake-up call.


4 posted on 09/27/2005 7:41:10 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (There are no short cuts to any place worth going.)
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To: Ironfocus
As I stated before. There are serious concerns about Ramadan this year.

The following countries could be hit in a worldwide simultaneous attack:
5 posted on 09/27/2005 7:44:47 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: Ironfocus

Should be amusing to see what all the sneering
French socialist have to say about this! How
will they show us their superior methods of
diplomacy at bringing peace between them and their
North African Muslim brothers?

I watch with rapt attention,
for thejm to show us the way...


6 posted on 09/27/2005 7:45:09 PM PDT by NickatNite2003
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To: Ironfocus

This definitely disproves the old adage that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."


7 posted on 09/27/2005 7:52:01 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Ironfocus

I guess maybe those Islamic Terrorists aren't ALL bad, after all....


8 posted on 09/27/2005 7:52:20 PM PDT by Peter vE (Ceterum censeo: delenda est Carthago.)
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To: NickatNite2003

"Should be amusing to see what all the sneering
French socialist have to say about this!"

They will have no trouble coming up with the correct analysis. What is needed is to ask the Islamacists what the French are doing wrong and what they need to change in order to please them.

Unfortunately for the French, this progression does not have an end point. The Spanish will find out the same thing.


9 posted on 09/27/2005 7:54:23 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Ironfocus

I hope France has enough white flags for its citizens.


10 posted on 09/27/2005 7:54:38 PM PDT by Arpege92 ("I am happy, be it yourselves." - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Ironfocus

This is interesting, if France should get hit we should sit back and warn them that they must "understand the underlying causes that make the terrorists hate the French so much." And block every attempt they make to do anything about it the entire way.


11 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:20 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (DU, more toxic than New Orleans water.)
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To: Perdogg
And:

Poland (Iraq)
Denmark (Iraq and Afghanistan)
Norway (Afghanistan)
Canada (Afghanistan)
Germany (Afghanistan)
Netherlands (Iraq and Afghanistan)
Albania (Iraq)
Romania (Iraq)
Bulgaria (Iraq)
El Salvador (Iraq)
Russia

Apologies to any countries from the Islamic s--- list not mentioned.

12 posted on 09/27/2005 7:55:28 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: 359Henrie
What I resent is that the U.S. lost the #1 rating, and to FRANCE.

Who are these Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC) bozos, and how fast can we start killing them and get back to the #1 rating?
13 posted on 09/27/2005 8:05:57 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: Cheburashka
Lost the #1? I'd rather scrimmage the 3rd string than get pounded, as them scum.
14 posted on 09/27/2005 8:10:00 PM PDT by 359Henrie
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To: Cheburashka

The Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat is an Algerian terrorist group. Based on the history ( read A Savage War of Peace, by Alistair Horne), we'd have a lot of work to do to catch up with the French in Algerian eyes.


15 posted on 09/27/2005 8:10:27 PM PDT by Peter vE (Ceterum censeo: delenda est Carthago.)
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To: Perdogg

Good list, and concern about multiple attacks within hours or days of each other strikes me as appropriate. In a weird way the slaying of Van Gogh in Amsterdam sent a bigger chill up the European spine, and for a longer period, than the more horrendous Madrid train bombing. By European logic (excuse the oxymoron), Spain deserved it because they were engaged in Iraq. Those thinking this way did not, of course, take seriously the notion of a Caliphate, and that the Islamofascists really mean it when they say that Spain, properly, is part of greater Islam. Amsterdam was scary, therefore, because it struck counter to the entire European logic; plus it was hit or miss, an assassination.

My point is that should France get hit by terrorism - including by an assassination a la Amsterdam - the European mind will indeed be jolted. The tremors will last for months. Of course, this doesn't mean that the white flags won't come out - they will. The problem is that even the French won't know who to surrender to. A hit on France will be a very big deal - just as a hit on California will turn the U.S. in a mightier way than another on the E Coast.

None of this is to say that I wish a hit on anyone. But if Europe is going to take one, then France is certainly preferable to, say, Poland. And, as much as I hate to say it, if the U.S. has to take another hit, California is preferable to NYC because it will disrupt enormously the entire anti-war Left and Hollywood Left. Like the French, their logic will suffer so much even they will take notice.


16 posted on 09/27/2005 8:12:19 PM PDT by Pyncho (Success through excess)
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To: Ironfocus
Nine people detained in a series of raids west of Paris on Monday are suspected members of the GSPC, officials have said.

"Round up the usual suspects"


17 posted on 09/27/2005 8:14:28 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Cheburashka

Yup, somehow I don't see France going to Algeria to look for them.


18 posted on 09/27/2005 8:14:43 PM PDT by Ironfocus (Love, faith, honor, integrity, duty......)
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To: PatriotGirl827
"The only way to teach France to behave is jihad and the Islamic martyr,"

In spite of their reputation, France, if hit, will not show mercy or PC when reacting. Hope they aren't hit but they would be an effective ally that has operatives through out the Muslim world.

19 posted on 09/27/2005 8:15:08 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Peter vE

I was joking, but thanks for the information.

I don't know that much about the Algerian War, but I do know the French were heavy handed.


20 posted on 09/27/2005 8:19:20 PM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: Ironfocus

The French foolishly thought the Islamo-fascist jihad was just about Iraq and ignored their own problem with Morroccan and Algerian extremists in their country.


21 posted on 09/27/2005 8:33:17 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: Ironfocus
The GSPC was created from a split in the Armed Islamic Group, the main force in Algeria's long insurgency, which was also responsible for a series of bombings in France in 1995.

Sounds like a quagmire to me.

22 posted on 09/27/2005 8:34:41 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Pyncho
A hit on the West (Left) coast.... Yes, it would have an unintended effect upon the WOT in the US as well, e.g., the red (socialist) flags would be unfurreled declaring their solidaridy with those who bring the truth:)

I sometimes wonder how long the war between citizens of Western Nations and criminals from from Islam will go on before Islam destroys a city or it greater population - and wonder further which Islamic city will be reduced in fire, and at what point the give and take ends.... Does it take the absolute horror of destruction like that visited upon Germany and certain Japanese cities to make a people happy to live in Peace -- peace being the object of much Islamic writing. Or will it take wiping out entire populations and strains of populations that engage in certain idealogy to end the WOT, e.g., maybe waiting for the godsend of destroyed capitals in numurous Western cities will result in rendering large swaths of Islamic terror-itory radiated and uncrossable, along with the destruction of most of the practioners.

Explusion of those following a religion that creates a state of alligance rather than the State of residence might also result in a moderating tone from these hatemongers.

23 posted on 09/27/2005 8:48:25 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: ncountylee
In spite of their reputation, France, if hit, will not show mercy or PC when reacting.

Absolutely correct. That American libs believe the French are the epitome of pc and restraint is attributable to pure ignorance. When their own ox is gored, the French can be brutally effective.

24 posted on 09/27/2005 8:51:41 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Jumper

If things get nasty, it is the leaders of each Islamic nation whose butts will be in a sling when the U.S. takes the gloves off. And those leaders know it. That is what will stop the whole show from escalating. Each leader in the region will clamp down like you wouldn't believe because they will be doing it for their own self-preservation. The first to go will be Assad in Syria, and even he has sufficient smarts to know that. At the first sign of serious trouble, he will pull a Chadafi; until then he'll stick to his rope-a-dope.


25 posted on 09/27/2005 8:56:28 PM PDT by Pyncho (Success through excess)
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To: Ironfocus
He was quoted as saying: "France is our enemy No 1, the enemy of our religion, the enemy of . . .

WESTERN UNION

FROM JACQUES CHIRAC
TO ABU MOSSAB ABDELWADOUD

SAY NO MORE...STOP

WE SURRENDER!...STOP

END


26 posted on 09/27/2005 8:58:17 PM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Plus they have a long history of fighting these scum.


27 posted on 09/27/2005 9:05:33 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn; ncountylee

You're both right, I think. French colonialism was brutal -- perhaps especially in Algeria.


28 posted on 09/27/2005 9:18:08 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA (")
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To: Vicomte13

Your thoughts M. ?


29 posted on 09/27/2005 9:23:41 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Yep, do as I say, not as I do... I remember the terrible photos of the woman who got shot in the head (more like decapitated) on Ivory Coast last year. She was shot by a French soldier for merely protesting the French being there while the French were getting trigger happy with the increasing surrounding violence. It was the same time the French got bombed by the SU-25 Frogfoots, which they promptly stormed and destroyed when they landed. Do as I say, not as I do....


30 posted on 09/27/2005 9:31:13 PM PDT by church16 (“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence...")
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To: investigateworld

There are no surprises here.

The Islamists have been at war with the whole West for a long time. They tried to plant bombs on the Toulouse TGV, but were foiled. They tried to plant bombs at another TGV line (I cannot remember where) but were foiled. They were planning an attack on the Metro, but were foiled.

Why are they foiled so often?
Because French intelligence has permeated the mosques and watches the Muslims like a hawk.
Everybody understands the threat: France was hit by Islamist terror in the 1970s and 1980s, and the intelligence services focused then on the Islamists, and monitors them all closely.

Also, France has good diplomatic relations with a number of states that are bad actors, who support terrorism. Now, obviously France opposes terrorism, but it is important to keep your enemy close, where you can see him, and where you can warn the heads of state of these states that allowing terrorists that we know they fund and control to strike French targets can have deadly consequences for themselves, their regimes, their cohorts, perhaps their closer relations.
Nobody is playing any games here.
When the Syrian government, whom France watches closely, became obstreperous in Lebanon, France immediately locked arms with the Americans and the Lebanese and the Syrians were driven out of Lebanon in a month.

Nobody in Paris has any illusions: the Islamists hate France, and should. France does not let them practice their religion in France. There will be no headscarf, no public subordination of women. There will be no madrassas, no preaching of hatred. Those mullahs given a preaching license by the French state will preach the official, peaceful, docile version of Islam. The violent version is not welcome in France, is vigorously repressed, and will continue to be so. Those who preach religion without a license will continue to be rounded up, stripped of their citizenship, and flown one way to Timbouktou or similar places in North Africa.

This is no game. The terrorists want to hit France. And they are going to try. But they are probably not going to get away with it.

Of course, these are the amateurs here, the religious fanatics. They've been captured and the public spectacle is being made to intimidate the rest of the Muslims to watch their speech and watch who they associate with.

When the really vicious professional international terrorists are captured, no one ever hears of this, and they are never seen again. They provide the other pieces of the information that is required to stay ahead of the terrorists and know what they are doing.
These people intend to kill the French people.
They are combattants.
They have information.
It is extracted.
Nobody like that ever comes OUT of a French interrogation center to report what goes on.

Of course that latter bit is a James Bond fantasy and no such thing exists in France, given that France is a nation of laws and human rights. Of course.

The Americans detain captured terrorists at Guantanamo.
France is evidently so incompetent that they never capture any terrorists, ever, because there are no known detention centers and none are ever reported. It must be that with all those Muslims in France, that France - given that no terrorists are ever captured there, according to any published reports in any source you will find anywhere - is just incredibly lucky. Yes, it must be mere dumb luck that found those bombs under the TGV lines out in the countryside.

France is lucky. She could not be either brutal nor effective. That would be unthinkable.

Were I a Muslim terrorist, I would operate out of Germany or London. There are more Muslims in Paris, but I value my balls and should not like to be made to eat them as my last meal.
But that's just another dark legend...


31 posted on 09/28/2005 8:39:26 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

Thanks, I suspected as much.


32 posted on 09/28/2005 9:02:23 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart.)
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To: Ironfocus

33 posted on 10/10/2005 10:18:28 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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