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No charges filed in dog shooting
The Herald Bulletin (Indiana) ^ | 9/28/05 | MELANIE D. HAYES

Posted on 09/28/2005 10:38:38 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

No charges filed in dog shooting

By MELANIE D. HAYES

A dog shot in the face on Thursday is on his way to recovery at home — with the bullet still lodged in his throat. The man who shot him isn’t facing any charges, as he told police he acted in self-defense.

On Thursday morning, Rudy, an almost 2-year-old chocolate Labrador mix, was shot in front of his house by a neighbor walking by, said Detective Terry Sollars, Anderson Police Department’s public information officer.

“He (the passer-by) claims that the large brown dog was approaching him in a very threatening manner,” Sollars said. “He said he was barking very loudly. He, the man, was backing away from it. The dog was not going away and kept coming toward him.

“He pulled out his handgun that he carries — and has a permit to carry — and fired one shot at the dog,” Sollars said. “He said how frightened he was, with the dog growling and snarling, and thought he had no option.”

Rudy’s owner, Bob Wheadon, saw it all happen and watched as his dog ran away after being shot. For days he and his wife Cheryl searched for Rudy, and on Saturday were reunited with him after neighbors called them and told them where they had seen him.

“We were just bombarded with phone calls and they took us right to where he was,” Bob Wheadon said. “He wouldn’t go to anybody but me. He charged me, knocked me to ground, and licked my glasses off,” he said chuckling. “It was quite a reunion. He was scared, hurt and in a lot of pain.”

The bullet went into Rudy’s head behind his right eye, into his forehead, through the roof of his mouth and tongue and is lodged in a patch of loose skin in his throat, Wheadon said.

“He (the vet) doesn’t think he can see, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be able to,” he said. “He may lose sight in his right eye, but other than that he’s a healthy dog who will be with us for a long time.”

Wheadon admits the dog slipped out of their property and wasn’t on a leash but said the shooting was too drastic of an action.

After Rudy got out on the street, “my wife said you better get your dog before he gets himself in trouble,” Wheadon said. “He barks at anyone who walks by our property, like other dogs do. But he has never tried to bite or nip at anyone — adults or children.”

Wheadon saw when his dog was barking at the walking man, and then saw the man point a gun at the dog’s head and pull the trigger.

The Wheadons have written up and handed out flyers to their neighbors and placed them on their doors.

“We have a neighbor who walks the streets with a loaded concealed gun and permit,” the flyer, which identifies the man, said. “On Thursday, Sept. 22, this man walked up to one of our neighbor’s dogs and shot it point blank in the head. This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?”

Sollars said that since the man had a gun permit and had felt that the loose dog was dangerous, police aren’t pursuing any charges.

“Humans don’t have to stand there to wait to have a dog attack,” Sollars said. “He did not want to hurt the dog, but wasn’t going to get bitten by the dog either. He has a right to defend himself against an animal he deems threatening.”


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1 posted on 09/28/2005 10:38:43 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

I get the feeling this guy was looking for a reason to use his gun.


2 posted on 09/28/2005 10:41:26 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How many times have we heard AFTER a dog attack, "the dog is so sweet, it wouldn't hurt anyone, etc, etc etc. "

Just ask a mailman.


3 posted on 09/28/2005 10:43:24 AM PDT by skyman
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To: kiriath_jearim
The Wheadons have written up and handed out flyers to their neighbors and placed them on their doors. “We have a neighbor who walks the streets with a loaded concealed gun and permit,” the flyer, which identifies the man, said. “On Thursday, Sept. 22, this man walked up to one of our neighbor’s dogs and shot it point blank in the head. This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?” Anyone want to bet party affiliation?
4 posted on 09/28/2005 10:46:08 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

That is a good reason why it's often advised to carry good pepper spray even if you have a CCW permit. Try the pepper spray first, but be ready to back it up with necessary. If the pepper spray doesn't work it shows that you tried a less lethal method first.


5 posted on 09/28/2005 10:48:58 AM PDT by skyman
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To: andyk

And I get the feeling that there are some anti gun people owning dogs too.


6 posted on 09/28/2005 10:49:29 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy (The Electric Amish)
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To: rollinginmybuggy
And I get the feeling that there are some anti gun people owning dogs too.

Um, okay (still working on it).
7 posted on 09/28/2005 10:51:31 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Anyone who shoots my dog is really going to have to defend himself. I'll make my business to see that he has to defend himself, from me!


8 posted on 09/28/2005 10:52:44 AM PDT by vladog
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To: andyk

“We have a neighbor who walks the streets with a loaded concealed gun and permit,” the flyer, which identifies the man, said. “On Thursday, Sept. 22, this man walked up to one of our neighbor’s dogs and shot it point blank in the head. This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?”

Appears to be a case of libel/slander brewing?


9 posted on 09/28/2005 10:53:00 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The owner is at fault for letting an undisciplined dog loose on the public, IMO. He's lucky the gun-owner isn't suing him.

I attract dogs all the time when I jog, but I've never been in serious jeopardy in a confrontation with a dog. I'm always the big dog.


10 posted on 09/28/2005 10:53:27 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: andyk
I get the feeling this guy was looking for a reason to use his gun.

And you get this feeling from where? The obviously biased neighborhood flyer? Were you there when the police interviewed the man? They got the feeling the man was defending himself or they would have charged him.

A large snarling black lab mix can be frightening (they don't say what it was mixed with.). I feel for the dogs owners, but if they were responsible dog owners, the dog wouldn't be on the street threatening passerby.

If I lived in that neighborhood, I would be more concerned about the dog attacking school children than the neighbor shooting them.

11 posted on 09/28/2005 10:54:09 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: skyman

I carry a shambok that's about a yard long. If it can kill snakes it should be able to fend off a dogs (at least small ones).


12 posted on 09/28/2005 10:54:47 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: andyk
I get the feeling this guy was looking for a reason to use his gun.

I think you are right. I've been in a lot of hunting parties and there is one in every crowd looking for a reason to pull his manhood out of his holster. I'm surprised he shot only once.

13 posted on 09/28/2005 10:54:58 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: kiriath_jearim
I think a warning shot would have made the dog back off. Shooting it in the face seems to be a bit excessive.

I have killed a dog before that was a constant threat to me and my friends when walking to the school bus stop. But there were crucial differences...

1) the dog was a constant and consistent threat. Not a one time thing.

2) the dog was not in its own yard but would go out into the street to harass you.

3) the dog wasn't a Labrador mix, but a Pit Bull Akita mix.

4) I killed it with a rock and a wrist rocket.
14 posted on 09/28/2005 10:55:39 AM PDT by Mylo ( scientific discovery is also an occasion of worship.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Oh, yeah, those black labs are a vicious breed! They should all be destroyed! Mine will actually lick you to death if you let him.


15 posted on 09/28/2005 10:58:05 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: kiriath_jearim; andyk
This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?”

Rational parents would be more concerned about an unleashed, unaccompanied large aggressive dog wandering around when their children are waiting for the school bus, than about a single well-aimed shot to the dog's head by a law-abiding citizen. I'm glad the dog is okay, and I hope its owners have learned a lesson about keeping their dog fenced or leashed.

16 posted on 09/28/2005 10:59:24 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: andyk

I grew up with Labs. My Mom current has three (out of a total of six since the late 1970s), my sister has two (having recently lost her third to cancer) and I have a wife with severe allergies ... or I'd have a couple too.

Labs are wonderful, friendly, sociable dogs. I've come into contact with hundreds, if not thousands, in my 35 years and have yet to encounter a "mean" one. My understanding, from the breeders I've known, is that it takes an enormous amount of work to train them to be anything other than great sociable animals (although some, expecially Chocolates, have a tendency towards hyperactivity).

That having been said, for someone who is unfamiliar with the markings/coloration and disposition of the breed a large Chocolate or Black Lab (especially the English/Bench variety) approaching in an enthusiastically friendly way isn't going to look all that different from a Rottweiler approaching with an intent (and ability) to do serious harm. The benefit of the doubt here goes to the shooter, imho.


17 posted on 09/28/2005 10:59:40 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: kiriath_jearim

What I read written on the flyer bothers me. This guy obviously has an agenda about gun owners. I can't blame someone who felt threatened for defending himself. Maybe it just was an excuse to shoot the dog and maybe not. No mention is made of the dog's reputation in the neighborhood. I never cease to be amazed at how dog owners can be so defensive about their animals. They let them run free when there are leash laws, let them crap all over others lawns and are offended when property owners complain, and get all bent out of shape about how "gentle" the dog is after the animal acts threatening towards someone.


18 posted on 09/28/2005 11:01:00 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Ben Mugged
I think you are right. I've been in a lot of hunting parties and there is one in every crowd looking for a reason to pull his manhood out of his holster. I'm surprised he shot only once.

The fact that he shot only once indicates he was a responsible citizen, when the dog ceased to be a threat, he quit shooting.

19 posted on 09/28/2005 11:01:00 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: beltfed308

not even a doubt in my mind


20 posted on 09/28/2005 11:02:11 AM PDT by rollinginmybuggy (The Electric Amish)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Dog at large. Period.

If you love your dog, don't let them roam and confront people by themselves on the street.

While the shoot seems over the top to those of us who get along well with dogs, some people don't, either out of fear or something the dogs sense (which makes me tend to distrust the people the dogs distrust).

But with all the hype in the press about dog attacks, it is easy enough to see how someone who does not like (or simply is ignorant of) dogs could be scared enough to shoot.

Both lived through it, it could have been worse.

And before the flames come on, it it were a "pit bull" instead of a lab, some folks around here would be applauding the shooter for taking action.

21 posted on 09/28/2005 11:02:28 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: andyk
I have yet to see any dog not accustomed to firearms run like heck when a gun discharges by a stranger next to them.
The guy could have put the first round into the ground at its feet and then waited for its reaction to see if a fatal round was needed. Just because cops can't fire a warning shot doesn't mean a civilian can't do it.
22 posted on 09/28/2005 11:02:34 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Initial random thoughts:

1. A Labrador Retriever is "an animal that does not know the meaning of 'fear'... or 'keep off the couch, you Knothead!'"

2. A Labrador Retriever is "an animal that will show the robber where your silver is hidden, and who thinks that a young child with an ice cream cone is a 'Gift from God'."

3. The shooter must be carrying the kind of weapon carried by my old Aunt Patty.... something on the order of a .22 caliber.


23 posted on 09/28/2005 11:05:54 AM PDT by StoneGiant (Power without morality is disaster. Morality without power is useless.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

The term "Vicious Lab" is an oxymoron.

The man was at risk from dog slobber, licking and possibly being repeatedly bludgeoned by a wagging tail.


24 posted on 09/28/2005 11:07:58 AM PDT by George Smiley (This tagline deliberately targeted journalists.)
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To: All

once again an irresponsible pet owner attempting to blame others for his mistake. Keep control of your animal! It's a simple as that. I personally am glad there is a law abiding citizen walking around with a concealed weapon to exterminate errant beasts and thugs. This uncontrolable beast was more of a threat to the general public than the man with the gun.


25 posted on 09/28/2005 11:08:49 AM PDT by bdog2995
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To: skyman

Do they make any of those clip thingamajigs so you can attach your pepper spray under the barrel of your CCW piece?

Just kidding.

From a legal defense standpoint, it's actually not a bad idea for CCW situations outside the home. Inside, I'm not so sure...


26 posted on 09/28/2005 11:09:25 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ("If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense to you!")
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To: skyman

My dogs got into a nasty fight with each other a few weeks ago. I tried pepper spray and it didn't even slow them down.

I had to hit one with a broom handle several times before he even realized he was hit. That dog adrenline keeps them going.

And yes, I am working with them, training wise. They are just two big males from the same litter, and each wants to be top dog.


27 posted on 09/28/2005 11:09:36 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: kiriath_jearim
“We have a neighbor who walks the streets with a loaded concealed gun and permit,” the flyer, which identifies the man, said. “On Thursday, Sept. 22, this man walked up to one of our neighbor’s dogs and shot it point blank in the head. This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?”

Owners LIED about who the note was from, or at least about whether it was THEIR dog that was shot, on their flyers.

Does this concern anyone other than me?

28 posted on 09/28/2005 11:10:47 AM PDT by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: TC Rider
And you get this feeling from where?

From reading the article. It's an opinion I derived from reading the short-on-details story.

Were you there when the police interviewed the man?

No. Neither were you there when the dog "attacked" the man.
29 posted on 09/28/2005 11:13:05 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: School of Rational Thought
Appears to be a case of libel/slander brewing?

I don't think so. It's a case of the owner's emotions getting the better of him. It's a stupid flier.
30 posted on 09/28/2005 11:14:21 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: George Smiley; All

Labs can be very aggresive around their property. I have owned several and have seen them go from lovable to killer in a very short moment when they believe there is a threat. The idiot owner should make sure his animal is secure but sometimes gates get left open etc...


31 posted on 09/28/2005 11:14:54 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: tanknetter
The benefit of the doubt here goes to the shooter, imho.

Yes, it does, especially inasmuch as criminal charges are concerned.
32 posted on 09/28/2005 11:15:51 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk

one thing you learn early when you are training to use a gun is never ever ever ever fire a warning shot!!!!! Please you obviously don't know a thing about handling a gun. This man was obviously a good shooter because he put one round right where it needed to go to stop the agressive animal. You don't want to fire any more rounds than necessary for the simple reason that one could ricochet and hit someone else (maybe your child) The blame goes squarely on the pet owner who obviously never trained his stupid dog to ignore people that belong on the street. I have seen too many pet owners who think it's funny and cool that there dogs try to protect there property and person against any human being they encounter. A dog should be trained to know the difference between a burglar crawling thropugh the window and a jogger or postman walking by the house on a busy street. He's lucky that his dog didn't bite a child in the face outside his house ( which from the sound of his behavior might be a possibility ). From my experience around Labs and any mixture with Labs they tend to be stupid animals who require alot of training to get them to behave properly.


33 posted on 09/28/2005 11:18:26 AM PDT by bdog2995
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To: eastforker
Labs can be very aggresive around their property.

I agree. I've owned 13 of them at one point or another. The first time I saw aggression in one of them... was with a couple of guys delivering our furniture. "Hershey" (Black lab) had cornered the deliverymen....growling, hackles raised and baring teeth. He never acted like that around ANYONE before or after. You just never know what sets them off. Pepper spraying an angry, "fixated" and ready-to-fight dog.... is asking for it....IMHO (Just ask my UPS guy! lol)

34 posted on 09/28/2005 11:26:22 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: bdog2995
Please you obviously don't know a thing about handling a gun.

And you obviously meant your post for someone else who actually talked about firing a warning shot. :)
35 posted on 09/28/2005 11:30:07 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk
And you get this feeling from where?

From reading the article. It's an opinion I derived from reading the short-on-details story.

Were you there when the police interviewed the man?

No. Neither were you there when the dog "attacked" the man.

Sorry but the 'short on details' story does not support your opinion. The dog owners admitted the dog was aggressive and loose, out of the yard. The cops not charging him, support the fact that this was a good shooting. As I noted in another post, the fact he only shot once showed discipline and that he was not trying to empty his gun into the dog.

I'm sensitive to this issue, because I carry a gun daily, and pray I'll never have to use it. But I meet a lot of people who think that if you have a CCW you are some kind of combo of Rambo and the Bronson character in "Death Wish".

36 posted on 09/28/2005 11:35:33 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: vladog

"Anyone who shoots my dog is really going to have to defend himself. I'll make my business to see that he has to defend himself, from me!"

As long as your dog is under your control then you won't have to worry about it.


37 posted on 09/28/2005 11:40:22 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: TC Rider
Sorry but the 'short on details' story does not support your opinion. The dog owners admitted the dog was aggressive and loose, out of the yard.

Sorry, but I'll form any damn opinion I want to based on this story. The dog owners admitted so such thing WRT being agressive. Unless, you characterize the dog's barking as aggressiveness.
38 posted on 09/28/2005 11:44:29 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: andyk

so such thing = no such thing


39 posted on 09/28/2005 11:44:55 AM PDT by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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To: George Smiley

"Rudy, an almost 2-year-old chocolate Labrador mix"

The dog was not a pure lab.




40 posted on 09/28/2005 11:46:28 AM PDT by Skeeve14 (1980's RR-Communism Evil Empire 2000's GWB-Communism good for Business)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yeah -Labs are NOTORIOUS for being non-violent dogs!

Maybe this idiot himself needs to find out how it feels to:

"The bullet went into Rudy’s head behind his right eye, into his forehead, through the roof of his mouth and tongue and is lodged in a patch of loose skin in his throat,"

He may not be so "macho" in his lackings the next time.


41 posted on 09/28/2005 11:50:52 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: bdog2995

I know some of you may find this hard to believe

1. Some people love their cats or dogs and it hurts them e when they are killed.

Yes the little old lady down the block should keep her cat indoors and not let it wander into your yard, and yes you probably have the right to kill it, and yes its not your fault if the little old lady misses her companion and keeps hoping it will return, yes its her fault for letting it wander; that being said you don't have to be a liberal to occasionally have compassion for others.

2. Making a foolish mistake, which allows your dog to escape from a fenced yard does not mean you deserve to have your pet killed. Maybe it teaches kids responsibility to kill their cat or dog they love, but maybe their are kinder ways of teaching that lesson

3. Just because you have the 'right' to kill someone’s pet does not mean you should or that it is the right thing to do. You can be pro second amendment and pro use of guns in self defense and still not disagree humans and animals every time you have the "right" to.

4. "never ever ever ever fire a warning" is not one of the 10 commandments


42 posted on 09/28/2005 11:55:49 AM PDT by Jonah Johansen ("Comming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: kiriath_jearim

Going to have to come down on the side of no charges filed and a despicable flyer on this particular case.

1) The dog should have been restrained, particularly if it was a barker.

2) It was 7am (as the flyer helpfully pointed out) and there were school children around a loose dog.

3) The shooter had the proper permit to carry concealed and used restraint and good target selection.

However, that being said, the fastest way to get a dog to act aggressively around you is to exhibit fear. Even a mild mannered dog will run and bark at a person they sense fears them. And even a trained attack dog will act warily around a person who they can sense no fear from. (They might still attack, but they are much more careful about the attack.)

I have run into around 5 people in my life that are deathly afraid of any and all dog. And guess what? Every dog barks at them when they first see them and growls with ears down even after they have been quieted by the owner.

This dog likely could have been told to go home in a firm voice and it would have left this gentleman alone. But the fact that it was loose in the first place puts the responsibility of this incident firmly on the dog's owner.


43 posted on 09/28/2005 12:01:26 PM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: andyk

I'm sorry andyk I was responding to abathar( who had responded to your post ) and I got confused when I typed it in. I do apologize....


44 posted on 09/28/2005 12:05:57 PM PDT by bdog2995
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To: Abathar

one thing you learn early when you are training to use a gun is never ever ever ever fire a warning shot!!!!! Please you obviously don't know a thing about handling a gun. This man was obviously a good shooter because he put one round right where it needed to go to stop the agressive animal. You don't want to fire any more rounds than necessary for the simple reason that one could ricochet and hit someone else (maybe your child) The blame goes squarely on the pet owner who obviously never trained his stupid dog to ignore people that belong on the street. I have seen too many pet owners who think it's funny and cool that there dogs try to protect there property and person against any human being they encounter. A dog should be trained to know the difference between a burglar crawling thropugh the window and a jogger or postman walking by the house on a busy street. He's lucky that his dog didn't bite a child in the face outside his house ( which from the sound of his behavior might be a possibility ). From my experience around Labs and any mixture with Labs they tend to be stupid animals who require alot of training to get them to behave properly.


45 posted on 09/28/2005 12:06:51 PM PDT by bdog2995
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To: kiriath_jearim
“We have a neighbor who walks the streets with a loaded concealed gun and permit,” the flyer, which identifies the man, said. “On Thursday, Sept. 22, this man walked up to one of our neighbor’s dogs and shot it point blank in the head. This happened at 7 a.m. when children are catching school busses. Does this concern anyone other than me?”

Yes I'm very concerned! I have no problem with "any" and "all" law abiding people with concealed guns, and not just the ones with a permit! Which I'm not in the favor of having to have a permit. It is "my" right to carry. Just one more right this govt. is taking from us... : ) <<< me

46 posted on 09/28/2005 12:08:22 PM PDT by stopsign ( ("What great fortune for government, that people don't think". ...Der Fuhrer... [hummmm...]))
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To: bdog2995

Spot-On! No one to blame here except the dog's owner.


47 posted on 09/28/2005 12:13:50 PM PDT by He'sComingBack! (Just another National Championship from the "weak" PAC-10)
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To: tanknetter

Agreed.

I own a 10-year old yellow lab. In his day he was a 100-pounder, now currently 90 lbs. My wife turned him into a barker (for security reasons, being home alone with young kids) and he has served us very well in this capacity, and seems to like doing his "job."

In reality, if you came into my house, he would probably lick you to death! But nonetheless, when he hears the door, or sees someone out in front of the house, he barks thunderously. To anyone that does not know MY dog, I have no doubt this would be frightening and intimidating!

R3


48 posted on 09/28/2005 12:14:08 PM PDT by RedRightReturn (Even a broken clock is right twice a day...)
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To: andyk
Sorry, but I'll form any damn opinion I want to based on this story. The dog owners admitted no such thing WRT being aggressive. Unless, you characterize the dog's barking as aggressiveness.

After Rudy got out on the street, “my wife said you better get your dog before he gets himself in trouble,” Wheadon said. “He barks at anyone who walks by our property, like other dogs do. But he has never tried to bite or nip at anyone — adults or children.”

Feel free to form any opinions you like, I just said the article doesn't support your opinion. (that's my damn opinion)

The wife seems to believe the dog has a capacity to get in trouble, and the hubby admits the dog barks at anyone who walks by the property. Sounds like aggressive behavior to me, especially when the dog has left his yard to bark at a passerby. (we do agree the dog was out of the yard, don't we?) Sadly, a passerby has no way of knowing that "he has never tried to bite or nip at anyone — adults or children". And of course, there is a first time for anything.

So, while there was plenty in the short-on-details story to make one think the dog was acting assertively, if not aggressively, I fail to find anything in the story to support your initial assertion that the gun owner 'was looking for a reason to use his gun.'

49 posted on 09/28/2005 12:17:58 PM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Jonah Johansen



1. Some people love their cats or dogs and it hurts them e when they are killed.

If they really loved their animals they would train them properly and maintain control over them. I love my 10 yr old son but if I don't teach him at an early age not to run into the street without looking and then he gets killed by a car after darting out into the road, it would be my fault not the driver of the car.

Yes the little old lady down the block should keep her cat indoors and not let it wander into your yard, and yes you probably have the right to kill it, and yes its not your fault if the little old lady misses her companion and keeps hoping it will return, yes its her fault for letting it wander; that being said you don't have to be a liberal to occasionally have compassion for others.

I dont know how the cat getting loose got into this discussion or the liberal thing I'm quessing you have read previous posts by me and understand my feelings on this subject...well maybe understand isn't the right word maybe realize my feelings would be better.

2. Making a foolish mistake, which allows your dog to escape from a fenced yard does not mean you deserve to have your pet killed. Maybe it teaches kids responsibility to kill their cat or dog they love, but maybe their are kinder ways of teaching that lesson

I don't want to see an animal killed as much as you may believe that. I own an adorable lhaso apso and have owned cats in my life. I really do love animals my son has a guinea pig I adore but I just get sick of pet owners blaming everyone but themselves when they slip up. I agree the man probably didn't have to try to kill him so quickly without trying other methods of stopping the animal. Labs are usually very friendly but they are dumb. ( sorry )

3. Just because you have the 'right' to kill someone’s pet does not mean you should or that it is the right thing to do. You can be pro second amendment and pro use of guns in self defense and still not disagree humans and animals every time you have the "right" to.

It's not that I have a right to kill but that you don't know what a person who doesn't know your dog is thinking when your dog approachs them in a threatening manner. It could have very well been a child who this dog got nasty with and a small child has no defense against a dog this size. I have been bitten by dogs before in my life and it is no fun at all. I had a white german sheohard bite me on my side above my waist and had to get 15 stitches and suffered alot of pain luckily it was the neighbors dog and I knew where he lived so I didn't have to go through the rabies shots.

4. "never ever ever ever fire a warning" is not one of the 10 commandments

I know it's not a commandment from god but I do know that from my life experiences (I have worked in law enforcement) dealing with criminals and use of a gun that the worst thing you can do is fire a warning shot. It just isn't smart for a number of reasons. The only time you point and fire a weapon is when you intend to kill. I'm sorry if that bothers you but that is a fact.


50 posted on 09/28/2005 12:26:56 PM PDT by bdog2995
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