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THE "GLOOM AND DOOMERS" FIND COMPANY
Kitco ^ | September 28, 2005 | Dr. Richard S. Appel

Posted on 09/28/2005 4:09:54 PM PDT by hubbubhubbub

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To: Mase
hard to be a doom and gloomer

It must be-- they're always so crabby

41 posted on 09/29/2005 4:39:55 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Or are you just saying that we've had zero GDP growth for the last decade?

Eureka!

42 posted on 09/29/2005 4:43:30 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: rdb3

We're doomed. Doomed! DOOMED!!!



43 posted on 09/29/2005 4:45:03 PM PDT by Petronski (I thank God for Cyborg.)
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To: Petronski

Maybe he's had no growth for the last decade. It could explain a few things.


44 posted on 09/29/2005 5:05:30 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Its the average growth rate of M3 published by the Fed.


45 posted on 09/29/2005 6:10:06 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Mase
What's truly remarkable is that our per capita liquidity exceeds that of Japan - a country known for it's high savings rate.

And its insolvent banking system.

Just look at the most recent Fed figures on household net worth - $50 trillion - with only about 20% of that attributable to homeowner equity. The average American household has about 57% equity in their home. Americans' total debts, including mortgages, are dwarfed by their liquid assets.

Yes, we have lots of 401K chock full of "high quality" Fannie Mae bonds, money market funds full of Fannie repos, and stock in Fannie's derivative counterparties like Citigroup and JPM. We have massive equity in homes whose value is inflated by GSE money pumps.

Hey, when was the last time FNM posted reliable earnings? And when do you reckon commodity prices are going to stop rising?

46 posted on 09/29/2005 6:16:47 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: expat_panama
Bottom line ---being a doom'n'gloomer in this age has got to take more and more effort.

Doomers are making money on commodities and shorting the GSEs.

Oddly Bulls are making money too.

Someone's got to be wrong.

47 posted on 09/29/2005 6:19:49 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: 1rudeboy
“This guy is an optometrist? WTF?”

He sees the future ... I guess!

48 posted on 09/29/2005 6:31:39 PM PDT by evilC ([573]Tag Server Error, Tag not found)
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To: AdamSelene235
Now that you mention it, I've been doing well by having both oil stocks and tech stocks.

Go figure.

49 posted on 09/29/2005 6:34:23 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: AdamSelene235

Mathematical formula for your 8% inflation rate.


50 posted on 09/29/2005 6:34:32 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: WOSG

" In the long run, were all dead..."

John Maynard Keyes


51 posted on 09/29/2005 6:35:35 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: hubbubhubbub

Gosh, I'm worried now. /sarcasm

"This stern warning was for the United States to limit its dangerous monetary expansion, increase its taxes, and force its consumers to reign in their wonton spending."

What the blue blazes is "wonton" spending? Buying up Chinese restraunts recklessly?


52 posted on 09/29/2005 6:46:46 PM PDT by Amity
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Always Right did a nice curve fit using this formula with k~8%.

I object to this formula as it has no predictive value.

I'd prefer to just use the empirical data offered here

As you can see 10 years ago m3 stood at 4576 and today it is 9874, roughly an 8% per year growth.

53 posted on 09/29/2005 6:48:12 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: expat_panama
they're always so crabby

I'd be crabby too if I bet on (and hoped for) the worst to happen - and then it didn't. What a grim way to live.

54 posted on 09/29/2005 6:57:29 PM PDT by Mase
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To: AdamSelene235
As you can see 10 years ago m3 stood at 4576 and today it is 9874, roughly an 8% per year growth.

I believe you when you said M3 grew at 8% a year. I asked you what inflation rate was caused by that 8% M3 growth rate. You said 8%.

Please show me the formula that turns M3 growth into inflation. Thanks.

55 posted on 09/29/2005 6:59:56 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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To: hubbubhubbub

"In constant dollars our family income purchasing power is less now than 50 years ago. That's why husband and wife must both work. Please get some economics education."

Well, *your* family income may be down, but the *average* family income is way up.

http://www.economywatch.com/world_economy/usa/
"The US has the largest and most technologically powerful economy in the world, with a per capita Gross National income of $37,610, (2003) this figure is significantly higher in comparison to that of other developed countries."

You think per capita income and family income is lower on a real basis than 50 years ago, ie 1955??!?? Before microwave ovens, cell phones, PCs, the interstate highways, etc. you had more purchasing power? back when color TVs didnt even exist, let alone 36" colr TVs that can be had for under $1000?

If you dispute my claim that we are better off now, show me the stats to prove it.


56 posted on 09/29/2005 7:01:19 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Amity

"This stern warning was for the United States to limit its dangerous monetary expansion, increase its taxes, and force its consumers to reign in their wonton spending."

LOL.... Sounds like the IMF prescription for China.

I can see the central bankers now ... "No Soup for you!"


57 posted on 09/29/2005 7:04:50 PM PDT by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Please show me the formula that turns M3 growth into inflation.

Ah, sorry, as I see it, the growth of the money supply *is* the inflation rate.

Price stability is an entirely different matter. The effects of inflation on prices are neither instantaneous or homogeneous nor predictable in my opinion which is one of many reasons the politburo should not be trying to to manipulate the economy on its estimation of the literally chimerical price level.

58 posted on 09/29/2005 7:12:59 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: hubbubhubbub

Shouldn't this have been prefaced by a tinfoil hat alert or some such?


59 posted on 09/29/2005 7:13:08 PM PDT by samm1148
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To: AdamSelene235
Ah, sorry, as I see it, the growth of the money supply *is* the inflation rate.

So if you were in charge, instead of the politburo attempting to centrally manage and manipulate the economy, the ideal money supply would remain constant? Are you saying M3 growth equals (true, Adam Selene, not fake politburo)CPI growth?

60 posted on 09/29/2005 7:18:59 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
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