Witness: 'Intelligent Design' doesn't qualify as science [Day 4 of trial in Dover, PA]

Sioux City Journal ^ | 29 September 2005 | Staff

[js1138]

Here's the complete fossel record.

http://www.mainetoday.com/elections/2004/news/040609senate20.shtml

[MineralMan]

OK, Nathan. If you are going to quote long passages from web sites, please reference the web site. It is obvious that you did not write the post yourself, so you need to tell us where you got this text. To do otherwise is to plagiarize.

So, which web site did you copy and paste that from?

[Nathan Zachary]

Oh, so because this person runs a lab, means they have no other interests or do any other research?

Just because you can't find everything on google doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Strange though, I have also checked out some kooky evolutionists that have appeared on lists, and I find half don't even have a doctorate. So, I guess it works both ways.

[RadioAstronomer]

See my post 83. :-)

[general_re]

It's classic Hovindia, or more precisely, one of Dr. Dino's stable of authors:

http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=79

[general_re]

Dang, beat me to it ;)

[MineralMan]

Thanks. I saw it after I posted. Still, I was hoping that Nathan would attribute his own copy and paste jobs. That's only honest, I'd think.

I mean, it's obvious to me that someone who can't spell "fossil" did not write a pseudo-scientific paper, but he should at least give credit where credit is due, don't you think?

[Nathan Zachary]

You know what? Go preach the spelling crap to someone else. I'm not your student, you're not a teacher, and I really don't care if I make spelling mistakes.

Spelling has nothing to do with people taking you seriously, and if it matters to small minded people, it just don't matter to me what they think.

[js1138]

Maybe, but there are biologists publishing original research supporting evolution, and none publishing original research supporting ID.

Check out the reason the Discovery Institute isn't particilating on the trial. Read what they have to say about the state of ID research.

[MineralMan]

"You know what? Go preach the spelling crap to someone else. I'm not your student, you're not a teacher, and I really don't care if I make spelling mistakes. "

OK. It was just a suggestion, anyhow. Of course you're free to take it or not take it. I just find that folks who don't take the time to try to spell correctly on Free Republic get taken less seriously than those who do.

It's entirely up to you, Nathan. I do wish you'd provide links to the sources of your longer screeds, though, so I could visit the web site from which you copied them. It would make life much easier for me. I wouldn't have to use Google to find where you got your information.

[Dimensio]

Spelling has nothing to do with people taking you seriously, and if it matters to small minded people, it just don't matter to me what they think.

The point is that you're making a claim about a specific subject -- fossils -- yet you consistently spell the name of the subject incorrectly. Not being able to spell the very name of your subject suggests very strongly that you haven't actually done any research on the subject, because if you had you would certainly have come across innumerable instances of the word spelled correctly. If there is a strong indication that you haven't actually researched the subject, then it throws into question any claim that you make about the subject.

So, yes, in this case your misspelling affects your credibility in a very real and fundamental way. Whining about spelling flames does not make the implications that you haven't done any actual research go away.

[Right Wing Professor]

Mason JM, Drummond MF, Bosanquet AG, Sheldon TA. "The Disc assay: a cost-effective guide to treatment for chronic lymphocytic leukaemia?" The guy (Bosanquet) runs a routine medical lab that test the effectiveness of cancer drugs on tumor samples. Legitimate stuff, but hardly original research related to evolution.

Middle author too. It usually means he wasn't the guy directing the research, and he wasn't the guy leading the research. If I have a grad. student who collects some data for a project, and analyzes it, but the major work was done by someone else, I usually include them as a middle author.

[js1138]

Don't you suppose there's a reason the Dr. Dino stuff you plagiarized isn't being used in court? It is a Republican judge.

[Dimensio]

Please explain how the scientific method can be applied to claims of intelligent design. Explain what intelligent design predicts and give a hypothetical observation that would falsify intelligent design.

There is so much intelligence and information embedded in every single atom, only a fool, once they have actually looked at it with an open mind, could dismiss design over random chance and absolutely improbable statistics of evolution.

1) This is an argument from incredulity, a logical fallacy.

2) Evolution says nothing whatsoever regarding the origin of atoms.

[atlaw]

Your statement is backwards. The evidence supports ID

Ok. I'll play along. Let's pretend you are right, that there is no evidence supporting evolution. Now, in your words, "list the evidence" supporting ID.

[RadioAstronomer]

whatsoever regarding the origin of atoms

Nor do most of the particle physicists I know buy into ID.

[PatrickHenry]

PH, you might like this one for your list -o- links.

I like it. I'll add it. Thanks.

[js1138]

He does have papers with his name on them as author, and he does run a hospital affiliated lab. It looks like routine, off the shelf stuff to me. I don't see any interest in theory. I see no reason why a flat earther couldn't build components for NASA. Compartmentalization.

[Nathan Zachary]

Taxonomy, Transitional Forms, and the Fossil Record.

wild guesses, grouping >fossals< that don't belong together prove nothing. Many of these mistakes have been discovered. The Hobbit bones is in reference to what was an alleged new species of human which evolutionists named Homo floresiensis which turned out to be the remains of an ordinary sickly kid, a modern human who had a brain-shrinking disorder called microcephaly. Much hoopla was made about this discovery, which is yet another of a long list of frauds.

[wallcrawlr]

This is all this thread is...

No interest in discussion over the trial...just a chance to feel evo good.

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