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Search Locates Homer's Ithaca
BBC ^ | 9-29-2005

Posted on 09/29/2005 1:52:09 PM PDT by blam

Search 'locates' Homer's Ithaca

An amateur British archaeologist says he has located Ithaca, the homeland of Homer's legendary hero Odysseus.

Robert Bittlestone - backed by two experts - claims the rocky island depicted in The Odyssey is part of Greek tourist destination Cephalonia.

He used satellite imagery to match the area's landscape with descriptions in the poem about the return of the man behind the wooden horse of Troy.

Many experts had stated Homer was referring to the island of Ithaki.

They had explained geographical inconsistencies in The Odyssey by suggesting that Homer lived much later than the events portrayed and in a different part of the country.

Previous studies have also named other Ionian islands including Cephalonia.

Earthquakes

Surrey-based management consultant Mr Bittlestone first came up with his theory in 1998.

During field trips to western Greece he also analysed literary, geological and archaeological data, and utilised 3D global visualisation techniques developed by Nasa.

"There is something both very new and very old to be found at this new location and that we should now treat the existence of ancient Ithaca very seriously " Robert Bittlestone

His new book Odysseus Unbound - The Search for Homer's Ithaca is co-written by Cambridge University professor James Diggle, and geographic expert John Underhill from Edinburgh University.

It suggests earthquakes have helped fill a narrow channel which had separated Cephalonia from Ithaca - said to have been located in the peninsular now known as Paliki.

Future research

It is not clear whether Odysseus or Ithaca really existed.

But Mr Bittlestone said: "Our purpose has been to demonstrate that there is something both very new and very old to be found at this new location and that we should now treat the existence of ancient Ithaca very seriously."

He has described his find as one of the most important classical discoveries since the unearthing of Troy in Turkey in the 1870s.

The book says Ithaca was the peninsular now known as Paliki

The book details 26 locations in The Odyssey that can be identified today in northern Paliki and its vicinity.

The research was conducted in cooperation with the Hellenic Ministry of Culture and with the Athens-based Institute of Geology and Mineral Exploration.

"The book opens exciting prospects for future research regarding the location of Homeric Ithaca," said Petros Tatoulis, Greece's Deputy Minister of Culture.

"The Ministry eagerly follows Mr Bittlestone's hypothesis and looks forward to staying informed about any future developments."

Cephalonia is the same island where Louis de Bernieres' best-selling novel Captain Corelli's Mandolin was set.

The novel, which was made into a film starring Penelope Cruz and Nicholas Cage in 2001, is set against the real-life massacre of thousands of Italian soldiers by German troops during World War II.


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1 posted on 09/29/2005 1:52:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 09/29/2005 1:52:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Search 'locates' Homer's Ithaca

Was it a single shot or a pump.

3 posted on 09/29/2005 1:53:51 PM PDT by aomagrat (Let us read from the book of Ruger, chapter 3, verse 57.)
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To: blam

I thought it was in upstate New York.


4 posted on 09/29/2005 1:55:52 PM PDT by Palladin (America! America! God shed His grace on Thee.)
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To: blam

Did they throw blood on his armour?


5 posted on 09/29/2005 1:56:31 PM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Palladin

I thought Homer lived in Springfield.


6 posted on 09/29/2005 1:58:02 PM PDT by dinasour (Pajamahadeen)
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To: aomagrat
Ok, 'cause Homer Simpsons Ithaca is in NY, and is also the "City of Evil"

+

7 posted on 09/29/2005 1:59:05 PM PDT by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: blam

Another "amateur British archaeologist". So many original insights come from these "amateurs". Michael Ventris comes to mind - and the cracking of Linear B.


8 posted on 09/29/2005 2:00:24 PM PDT by Parmenio
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To: blam
Something I don't understand is the ancient Greeks knew where Ithaca was. An island around two miles NE of Cephalonia. It was but one of the Islands ruled by Odysseus. Are they saying they didn't know where it was?

I have read that Homer's description fits the Island of Leukas better than Ithaca, but would have to go with the traditional name.

9 posted on 09/29/2005 2:09:09 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam

Well, that is good news. Everyone needs to know where their Ithaca is! Now we know where Homer's was.

My Ithaca (the first non-Damascas barrel hammerless 16 gauge side-by-side Ithaca manufactured), is in my gun safe. I inherited it FRom my dad, who won it FRom a FRaternity Brother in a poker game in 1935 when he was attending what is now the GW law school in WDC.

Homer's Ithaca is too far away to do me much good. Mine is cleaned, oiled and ready and waiting for Dove season! Finest bird gun I have ever shot, and the only one I own.

My Mossberg 590 "Critter Gitter" has an entirely mission!


10 posted on 09/29/2005 2:26:35 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: yarddog
Something I don't understand is the ancient Greeks knew where Ithaca was. An island around two miles NE of Cephalonia. It was but one of the Islands ruled by Odysseus. Are they saying they didn't know where it was?

There is scholarly debate over whether there even was a "Homer" who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey. The stories come from an oral tradition, and the first written versions of those stories didn't even come into being until hundreds of years after the events depicted. Of course those events include gods and goddesses, cyclops, sirens, men being turned into swine, etc. So while the ancient Greeks may indeed have known where their own island of Ithaca/Ithaki was, there's a lot standing in the way of knowing whether it and the place depicted in what we know as "The Odyssey" are one and the same.
11 posted on 09/29/2005 2:26:56 PM PDT by drjimmy
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To: blam

Is that where homersexuals come from? You know like the lesbians who come from the Greek island of Lesbos!


12 posted on 09/29/2005 2:29:02 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything!")
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To: blam
It's a pretty interesting technology: NASA World Wind 1.3
13 posted on 09/29/2005 2:37:40 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: drjimmy
Yes, I know there is debate about Homer but the basic facts of the Illiad and Odyssey seem to stand up to archaelogical study.

I know that Schliemann used the Iliad to locate Troy by using a phrase which showed certain alignment between geographical features. It proved to be accurate.

Also Homer describes the small city state of Thisbe as being a place of pigeons. I recall an expedition which located it's ruins and surprise, it was still full of pigeons.

14 posted on 09/29/2005 2:50:21 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: blam

Thanks blam, will ping when home. Meanwhile, a related topic from last week.

Hmm... weird... can't find it... I distinctly remember posting a bunch of stuff in it.


15 posted on 09/29/2005 8:31:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: xcamel

Took the image out of my head.


16 posted on 09/29/2005 8:33:15 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: blam; wagglebee

Ah, ha.

Archeologists make historic discovery (Tomb of Odysseus)
The Madera Tribune | 8/27/05 | Thomas Elias
Posted on 09/23/2005 7:37:53 PM PDT by wagglebee
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1490367/posts


17 posted on 09/29/2005 8:38:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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18 posted on 09/29/2005 10:14:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam

"Search Locates Homer's Ithaca"

MMMMMMMmmmmmm Ithica

19 posted on 09/29/2005 10:23:09 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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Odysseus Unbound: The Search for Homer's Ithaca Odysseus Unbound:
The Search for Homer's Ithaca

by Robert Bittlestone
with James Diggle
and John Underhill


20 posted on 09/29/2005 10:23:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam

"Odysseus Unbound" sounds like the title of a Steve Reeves movie.

I'll probably break down and buy it anyway.


21 posted on 09/29/2005 10:49:20 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Fidel NEVER was the "bad" person except being designated as such." hombre_sincero, Freeper)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Blam's just not on the ball anymore! -:)


22 posted on 09/30/2005 5:26:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: blam

Neat


23 posted on 09/30/2005 5:30:30 AM PDT by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: wagglebee
"Blam's just not on the ball anymore! -:)"

Just trying to say out of management, that's SunkenCiv's job. (ahem)

24 posted on 09/30/2005 5:35:36 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Well then he should be paying you more, you do most of his work.


25 posted on 09/30/2005 5:37:43 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: blam

I would tend to doubt it, as place names can be very durable things -- I would guess the island of Ithaki. However, there is the counterexample of Scotia, which once meant Ireland and not Scotland, so I suppose the same thing might have happened to the Ithaca placename over the millenia.


26 posted on 09/30/2005 7:15:46 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: drjimmy
There is scholarly debate over whether there even was a "Homer" who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey.

From what I have read, the Odyssey and the Iliad were not composed by Homer, but by another blind Greek poet with the same name.

27 posted on 09/30/2005 8:01:23 AM PDT by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: night reader
From what I have read, the Odyssey and the Iliad were not composed by Homer, but by another blind Greek poet with the same name.

Oh THAT Homer.

28 posted on 09/30/2005 8:25:05 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: wagglebee; blam

I propose a 100 per cent raise. ;')


29 posted on 09/30/2005 8:34:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv; wagglebee
"I propose a 100 per cent raise. ;')"

I'm reminded of the song:

"something from nothing leaves nothing...you gotta have something if you wanna be with me."

100% of nothing is still nothing...

30 posted on 09/30/2005 10:24:44 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

I feel a little guilty, as I've set my own salary to four times that much. ;')


31 posted on 09/30/2005 11:17:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv

Well my last dividend check bounced, so you'll have to wait in line!


32 posted on 09/30/2005 11:19:09 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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