The ‘Darwinist Inquisition’ Starts Another Round

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[mlc9852]

You can say you don't know or are not sure.

[drhogan]

my understanding was that darwin was interested in the origin of species, not the origin of life.
does anyone on this thread know if darwin ever claimed that life originated from non-living matter?

[Dimensio]

Y'know, when we say they're trying to send science back to the Dark Ages, they accuse us of exaggerating.

Actually, I can't find fault with his post. It's similar to sentiments that I express when explaining that the problem with teaching ID is not that I know it to be false, but because I know it not to be science. I've even said flat-out that ID could very well be true, but because it isn't science, there's no way to teach it properly in a science classroom. etlib was expressing an identical sentiment, that the claim that angels push the planets around may well be true, but with respect to science, it's meaningless.

And then the creationist completely ignores that and later again claims that I've said that ID is definitely false even though I said no such thing.

[mlc9852]

I thought science wanted to answer all questions.

[DC Bound]

Why not just ask if "random selection" is supposed to be "natural selection"?

[Borges]

Questions of the physical world not philosphical questions. You were misinformed.

[drhogan]

i agree with you. they seem to believe in God "the tinkerer" rather than an omnipotent God who could create something as sophisticated as evolution.
in the end, it doesn't so much matter what we believe about evolution--if God wanted evolution, he has/had the power to create it.

[Louis Foxwell]

To which "God", out of the thousands of deities worshipped and acknowledged throughout human history, do you allege "Darwinists" refer?

Foolish boy. There is one God.

[PatrickHenry]

I nominate the post I'm replying to for 'This is your Brain on Creationism'.

A winner for sure! I'll be adding it.

[mlc9852]

But God created the physical world - so research to find how.

[shuckmaster]

I'm sure

[Louis Foxwell]

Stop lying about what Darwinists claim.

There you go again. Stop calling me a liar.

There are Darwinists who claim that the universe exists by random chance.

[shuckmaster]

There are Darwinists who claim that the universe exists by random chance.

Show me!

[DC Bound]

There are Darwinists who claim that the universe exists by random chance.

Do you mean natural selection--mutations occur by chance and are selected based on advantage in the natural environment?

[RightInEastLansing]

"Entropy can be reversed in systems with external energy input. Why would you believe otherwise?"

Of course I don't believe otherwise. You apparently don't realize that you are supporting my position. So once again, what is the source of this external energy? Understand that this source must be incredible in strength to reverse the amount of entropy required for the formation of life.

Waiting patiently for my enlightenment.

[drhogan]

i don't think darwin ever talked about "random selection". i think he talked about random mutations. selection, in darwinian theory, was far from random.
any biologists out there who could clarify this?

[RightInEastLansing]

"Do you mean natural selection--mutations occur by chance and are selected based on advantage in the natural environment?"

His statement is very clear. "There are Darwinists who claim that the universe exists by random chance."

Do you not understand the clear meaning of his words? Do you refute this claim?

[Dimensio]

Of course I don't believe otherwise. You apparently don't realize that you are supporting my position. So once again, what is the source of this external energy?


It would be this.

[drhogan]

are you talking about a plan/purpose or about strict determinism?
these are not the same things.

[Louis Foxwell]

Do you mean natural selection--

Yes. Thank you.