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Posted on 10/01/2005 6:32:54 AM PDT by topher
The only issue that David Gibbs can ever remember Jesse Jackson and Rush Limbaugh agreeing on was the fact that Terri Schiavo should remain alive.
Gibbs called removing Schiavo's feeding tube "barbaric and uncivilized." Florida law does not allow the starvation of animals and the constitution does not allow the starvation of convicted murderers, he said.
Felos said faith-based organizations, religious leaders, priests and rabbis distorted the facts in the Schiavo case.
(Excerpt) Read more at palmbeachdailynews.com ...
Read about their cut on http://www.judgegeorgegreer.com. (they got Terri's rehab $) and http://www.hospicepatients.org
This is a great example of the tired word games we see so frequently. You subtly imply we are threatened by different views. Yeah, right. We are keenly aware of an element of Death Culture which invariably takes the defensive side of the perps. Many of them attempt to sound intellectual and learned with just a twinge of condescention.
Finally, I would add that, though I have indeed seen similar questions to mine asked here in the past, I have never seen any satisfactory answers. Why is that, do you suppose?
That is the simple one. They tried to disrupt, not discuss, and they are gone. We find folks like you can be given all kinds of facts, truths and answers and they are never the right ones for you so you keep pressing. We realize the act of asking the "Have you stopped beating your wife lately" is for effect, not for a rational answer.
NEWS: From Drudge - George Clooney injured his back on a movie set and became suicidal. Apparently, he was able to work through it.
bttt. I'm here to serve humankind, not to do research for other freepers.
It's ashame she was taken because if she were alive, just imagine the benefit to society to be able to see her progress if she finally got the care and therapy she deserved.
I'm going on baby kitty detail. I'll drop back by tomorrow. Over and out. FV
Thanks for the info.
Apparently headed for judgeships in the same circuit court system that caused her death.
Richard Pearse, Clearwater attorney, was appointed as the disabled woman's guardian ad litem. He filed his report with the court in December, 1998, urging that the court deny the petition to remove Terri's feeding tube.
He also recommended to Pinellas County Court judge George Greer that a guardian ad litem be appointed to protect her interests and indicated he did not believe Michael Schiavo and his sudden recollection that Terri would not want to live by a feeding tube.
PINELLAS COUNTY--A key player in the Terri Schiavo right-to-life case, heard in the Pinellas County courtroom of Sixth Judicial Circuit Court Judge George W. Greer, will now be sitting on the bench in that same courthouse, having been appointed to a new judgeship earlier this month by Gov. Jeb Bush.
John Carassas , 39, of Palm Harbor, who was serving as a deputy to Attorney General Charlie Crist, was the former state representative from House District 54 from 2000-2003, a seat now held by former Pinellas County Sheriff Everett Rice (R-Treasure Island) who is now seeking the office of attorney general. District 54 covers parts of Belleair, Largo, Clearwater and St. Petersburg as well as the Pinellas beaches.
I recommend Martin Katz's article in "The American Thinker," March 29, 2005. It was also posted here on FR.
Second, let me say thank you for being such a gracious guest. It's so gratifying to exchange ideas with people who think deeply about the real life implications involving the issues of the day. ; )
However, I also need to clear up some things.
Euthanasia is not an abstract idea around here. And it's not the "good death" that George Soros has promoted it as. It is the extermination of "undesirables."
You'll find that passions run deep on this subject. That's to be expected when the wholesale genocide of an entire class of people is discussed as though there is a choice to be made.
The only way to justify exterminating people is to classify them as less than human, therefor less deserving of life. The Nazis used this argument when they were tried for the crimes against humanity that are being committed here and now. It didn't saved their necks from the noose.
They also tried the excuse that euthanasia is for the good of the patient. That argument didn't work either.
Euthanasia is not the alleviation of pain and/or suffering. It is the ending of a life. No one can argue that the removal of a ventilator or a feeding/hydration tube alleviates pain and suffering. On the contrary, it causes pain and suffering, and eventually death. Lethal injection is sometimes appropriate, but only after a conviction for a very heinous crime. It is never for the good of the person being killed.
Let's be clear about something. We are not discussing the proper use of pain medication. We are all aware that the administration of enough pain medication to alleviate pain may hasten death. Eating fatty foods might hasten death. This has nothing to do with euthanasia, unless it's used in excess for the purpose of causing death.
In post #396, pickyourpoison told us that a friend had said patients were leaving a particular nursing home, and being replaced by AIDS patients. In post #401 you said that pickyourpoison's friend is mistaken. I'd still like to know how you know what's going on at that nursing home, when the rest of us don't even know what nursing home it is. Or were you just trying to pretend to know more than you do?
You say that you don't approve of torture, but I wonder if your definition of torture is as misleading as the definition you accept for euthanasia. Do you consider starvation to be torture? How about dehydration? Suffocation? These are all forms of euthanasia that are practiced today. They are called "passive euthanasia," as though those committing the act aren't directly involved.
An acquaintance of mine recently treated himself for an ingrown toenail. He thought he had it under control, until one morning he woke up with a massive infection and swelling that went halfway up his leg. He got medical attention, and is recovering. If he'd been elderly, or disabled, it's quite possible that he would have been denied treatment, and forced to die from the infection. If that isn't torture, what is?
JR encourages honest debate. If that's what you're here for, you've found the right place. But if you're here to disrupt, disguising your attempts as merely asking questions will not fool him or the moderators.
Some things are simply not open for debate. Whether or not an entire class of people should be eliminated through murder is one of those issues that's been settled. On Free Republic, we are free to advocate any side of most issues, but not that one. We are not free to advocate genocide against disabled people, Jews, Mexicans, or anyone else. Not even liberals.
Let the ashes of trolls who tried it serve as your guide.
Felos reveals that he has serious mental issues. He is so creepy.
"pickyourpoison's friend is mistaken."
I really don't believe she's mistaken. She was an R.N. at the nursing home for several years but has now left. She told me about some of the problems the aids patients had [sores, bleeding,etc.] It was terrible.
Some of the aids patients thrash around and have to be medicated. While she was trying to give a patient a shot, he wouldn't stay still and the needle went through her glove and she punctured herself. She has been tested for aids and will have to be retested for several years.
What surprised me was that federal funding was greater for aids patients than for the elderly. I would have thought the funding would be the same for both.
Someone in the health care field could probably find out about the funding.
Do you think Terri was the only disabled person? When you talk about euthanizing her because of her disability, your argument applies to everyone with similar disabilities. What exactly do you think genocide is?
Is there one particular Jew you think should be euthanized for being Jewish? If you're only talking about one "specific instance," it's not really genocide, is it? Do you think that is somehow more offensive than advocating euthanizing someone for being disabled? Do you honestly believe that advocating euthanizing one person for being disabled automatically excludes everyone else within that group? And even if it does, does that somehow make it acceptable?
Here's an example of "discussing a specific instance," similar to the way you discuss the specific instance of Terri Schiavo.
Can you find anything about that poster that you don't agree with? It doesn't advocate genocide. It's only "discussing a specific instance." It doesn't specifically state how the patient should be killed, nor even that he should be killed. Everything it said was true. It is still not an open, courteous, honest exploration of varying viewpoints. It is propaganda. Learn to recognize it, and avoid mimicking it.
I have seen people advocate genocide on this board. It remains to be seen if that's your agenda. Your initial posts certainly send up some red flags.
The reports of bleeding eyes and flaking skin were simply not true, so far as I can ascertain. I hope that eases your mind some.
I'll take your word over the doctors', nurses', and priests'. I feel much better now that I know that they all lied about the effects of dehydration. It's good to know that the photos I've seen of victims of dehydration were photoshopped. The cases of minor dehydration involving chapped lips and other signs of dehydration are all fake. Dehydration doesn't actually involve any drying out of membranes to the point of chapping, peeling, or bleeding. /sarcasm
Wild claims like that, in support of the euthanasists, are what drive us to think you are advocating their position. If you don't agree with them, why are you propagandizing for them?
If you'd like to see for yourself what dehydration really looks like, take a look at Lisa McPherson's autopsy photos. I'm not sure if I can post a link because of the graphic nature, but they're easy enough to find. If you can't find them, freepmail me for the link. There are at least two sets of photos. The photos of her hands, arms, legs, etc. are irrelavent to dehydration. You want the really graphic photos that show her face. You have to agree to certain terms before viewing those photos. Not the least of which is that you won't hold the site responsible for any long-term trauma you may suffer as a result of viewing the photos. After you've viewed them, come back and tell us how pleasant it was.
If you're going to demand that I believe you don't support the euthanasia movement, then I demand you give me some reason not to believe it. What is the best proof you have that you support the right to life? In light of your previous arguments against it, you'll need some very strong arguments in favor of life before I even begin to believe you.
If you have truly been attacked personally, and called names (as you claim), please report it to the moderators, and supply them with the links to the actual text. Otherwise, please retract your false accusation.
Floriduh voter has the inside scoop on some of the details. She is not always free to reveal her sources to outsiders, but those of us who have proven ourselves trustworthy are told the details. You're well on your way to being accepted into the most trusted group. We'll give you the password any day now.
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