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Study: Sun's Changes to Blame for Part of Global Warming
LiveScience ^ | Sept. 30, 2005 | Robert Roy Britt

Posted on 10/01/2005 12:51:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion

Increased output from the Sun might be to blame for 10 to 30 percent of global warming that has been measured in the past 20 years, according to a new report.

Increased emissions of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases still play a role, the scientists say.

But climate models of global warming should be corrected to better account for changes in solar activity, according to Nicola Scafetta and Bruce West of Duke University.

The findings were published online this week by the journal Geophysical Research Letters.

Scientists agree the planet is warming. Effects are evident in melting glaciers and reductions in the amount of frozen ground around the planet.

The new study is based in part on Columbia University research from 2003 in which scientists found errors in how data on solar brightness is interpreted. A gap in data, owing to satellites not being deployed after the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster, were filled by less accurate data from other satellites, Scafetta says.

The Duke analyses examined solar changes over 22 years versus 11 years used in previous studies. The cooling effect of volcanoes and cyclical shifts in ocean currents can have a greater negative impact on the accuracy of shorter data periods.

"The Sun may have minimally contributed about 10 to 30 percent of the 1980-2002 global surface warming," the researchers said in a statement today.

Many questions remain, however. For example, scientists do not have a good grasp of how much Earth absorbs or reflects sunlight.

"We don't know what the Sun will do in the future," Scafetta says. "For now, if our analysis is correct, I think it is important to correct the climate models so that they include reliable sensitivity to solar activity. Once that is done, then it will be possible to better understand what has happened during the past hundred years."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climate; climatechange; energy; environment; globalwarming; science; sun
I am sure the envirowackos aren't going to let some facts get in the way of blaming humans for it and trying to wreck the economy wiht the excuse of fighting global warming.
1 posted on 10/01/2005 12:51:41 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

WOW! Bush and Rove have changed the sun too! ... I'm impressed.


2 posted on 10/01/2005 12:53:51 PM PDT by TexGuy
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To: FairOpinion

I've always thought that the sun may have a warming effect based on my research at various beaches.


3 posted on 10/01/2005 12:54:04 PM PDT by byteback
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To: FairOpinion

Their spin is that it's only 10% due to the sun, and 90% due to human activity.


4 posted on 10/01/2005 12:56:19 PM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: FairOpinion

Could be 10% to 30% caused by the sun. Or, could be 95% - 98% caused by the sun. We're too committed to "man causes global warming" to completely back down from our earlier position.


5 posted on 10/01/2005 12:59:26 PM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: FairOpinion

The sun responsible for changes in temperatures?!!!? Why I never!!!! Something should be done to these irresponsible scientists who make wild claims about the sun affecting the weather. (smirk)


6 posted on 10/01/2005 1:02:52 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: FairOpinion
This is just an incremental admission.

In one to two years the percentage of blame on the sun will be 30 to 60 percent, then higher still, rightfully so.

Let's not forget that science is beginning to admit that Gamma Ray Bursts are having an influence upon our climate.

Also: http://smallcomets.physics.uiowa.edu/

What will eventually be concluded, incrementally of course, concerning the affects of this phenomena?
7 posted on 10/01/2005 1:03:03 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: FairOpinion

We need sensible sun legislation. Its for the children, of course.


8 posted on 10/01/2005 1:08:33 PM PDT by babyface00
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To: Maceman; FairOpinion; Rocky

Notice the 10-30% estimate is based on direct solar heating. The actual solar effect will include any increased greenhouse effect from melting methane-hydrates or thawing peat-bogs, which can account for an increase
in greenhouse gasses several orders of magnitude greater than human activity.

All this makes the fact of global warming more certain, and the fact that it is not caused by human activity more certain.

The leftist-environmentalist response is exactly the wrong one: if major climate changes are up ahead, we want as fully developed and vibrant an industrial base with which to deal with them as we can get. (And maybe we shouldn't have done such a good job of cleaning up particulate pollution. A bit of soot in the air might actually be good!)


9 posted on 10/01/2005 1:10:40 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know . . .)
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To: babyface00

Perhaps a sunscreen rocketed up into the upper atmosphere that strengthens and ebbs with solar activity.

Yeah, yeah...that's the ticket.

We'll need a global tax for that though.

I know, I know, don't give them any ideas.


10 posted on 10/01/2005 1:11:48 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: FairOpinion
"We don't know what the Sun will do in the future," Scafetta says.

I'm guessing it will set soemtine tonite, and really go out on a limb and say it will rise tomorrow...

11 posted on 10/01/2005 1:13:36 PM PDT by mikrofon (In the EAST, no less)
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To: FairOpinion

I see this as a fraud study from the get go. After all, if the global warming crowd gets you to agree its happening then you make their argument for it. they will then go on to set themselves up as the police on the matter, consolidat epower to themselves on the issue and make your environazi look like a nice guy compared to what world they would subect you to living in.


12 posted on 10/01/2005 1:16:28 PM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: The_Reader_David

Well, if all we need is dust in the air, all we need to do is start burning a lot more coal, and don't crank up those electrostatic precipitators.


13 posted on 10/01/2005 1:20:17 PM PDT by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: The_Reader_David
Then there's this:

http://www.cee.mtu.edu/~reh/papers/peterson01_ozone_destruction_GL11216W01.pdf

http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2000.../1999GL010811.shtml

Combine this with increased solar influence, ergo solar flares and etc, the lower affects of bromide from the sea salt present in the snow, and voila', it vortex's into the upper atmosphere and causes a major problem.

Also, as our magnetic poles prepare to flip, the protective field weakens allowing even more solar affect at the poles.

Hells bells how are the politicians gonna stop this? I have faith they'll come up with something.
14 posted on 10/01/2005 1:21:56 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: babyface00

I move for the immediate passage of a Solar Protocol, binding on all nations, restricting the amount of sun each may use daily. Those receiving more than their allocated amount of sun useage should be required to foot the bill for the rest of us suffereing from over exposure to the sun.

Also, we must start a campaign restricting the use of sun dials and solar panels as they draw way too much solar energy and must be partly to blame for increased energy being released by the Sun.

I also propose a book, Sun In The Balance. We can show people the dangers of sun dials, solar panels and even sun bathing (unless you're young, female, and very trim) are the cause of man drawing too much energy from the sun. After all, we only have so many years of sun left on the earth and it must be preserved for our grandchildren.

We must immediately tax sun useage as well. That will discourage our excessive useage.


15 posted on 10/01/2005 1:23:55 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: TexGuy

Next Rove is going to make the sun only shine on the white communities and not on the black ones! He's racist!


16 posted on 10/01/2005 1:23:57 PM PDT by ndkos
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To: Maceman

Mostly Bush.


17 posted on 10/01/2005 1:24:06 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Puckster

"Hells bells how are the politicians gonna stop this? I have faith they'll come up with something."


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They sure will. Two things:

1. Blame it on Bush and the Republicans.

2. Propose new taxes.


18 posted on 10/01/2005 1:25:06 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: DakotaRed

Brilliant.

But there will be no point to being a snow bird in the winter then.

Bummer.


19 posted on 10/01/2005 1:25:38 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: TexGuy
Makes sense though.

By using HAARP to change the frequency of the solar pulsations they can cause both tsunamis and hurricanes.

Next they will set off an earthquake in Southern California.
20 posted on 10/01/2005 1:29:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: FairOpinion

New studies throw cold water on warming theory .....

Two major new studies, as well as temperature readings from precise satellite measurements, have produced strong new evidence the Earth is not warming. The new information has sent global alarmists into confusion and has vindicated prior studies long ignored by the mainstream media.

Nature study shows dramatic Antarctic cooling .....

On January 14, Nature magazine published the results of a comprehensive study, involving all regions of the Antarctic continent, revealing that Antarctica has been cooling, dramatically, for the past 20 years.

Prior reports of an Antarctic meltdown had been largely based on temperature readings on a small peninsula where most Antarctic science stations are located. However, the new study's authors began to suspect warming on the peninsula was a localized phenomenon, caused by a recent change in regional wind and sea patterns, when visits to other parts of the continent showed no sign of warming.

"A lot of people [co-authors] in the paper have been working in the valleys since the mid-'80s, and at first it seemed that lake levels were going up," reported Peter Doran, a University of Chicago at Illinois scientist and lead author of the study.

The whole article:http://www.70south.com/news/1101267300/index_html


21 posted on 10/01/2005 1:30:41 PM PDT by Beth528
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To: FairOpinion

HUMMMM, how do the enviros protest the sun. Or will they have the Dumb Dums outlaw the SUN.


22 posted on 10/01/2005 1:31:57 PM PDT by marty60
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To: FairOpinion

Throw money at it.


23 posted on 10/01/2005 1:33:54 PM PDT by Les_Miserables
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To: Beth528
There is also a circumpolar antarctic current that has about a 60 year cycle that affects Antarctica and the Indian, Atlantic and Pacific oceans due to its connection to all three.

Such a confusing amount of facts for simple minded left-wing wacko's to keep track of. They'd rather it was so simple as to blame us.
24 posted on 10/01/2005 1:36:32 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: marty60

"HUMMMM, how do the enviros protest the sun."

By driving a rubber zodiac around it of course. Then it melts and they all fall down.


25 posted on 10/01/2005 1:37:56 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster
I have a relatives (by marriage) that is some of the wackiest wacko's when it come to global warming..Of course the whole family are wacko's(Democrats)Everything that happens in this country is Bushes fault even the weather..These are very educated people and I am so surprised how stupid they are..I do not get into it with them because i tried and no matter what anyone says it is all something new that we have caused..I deleted all e-mail they send me because if I didn't I would try to go through my computer screen and shake the mess out of them..
26 posted on 10/01/2005 1:45:50 PM PDT by Beth528
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To: Beth528

My wife is a very sensible woman. Her parents however, it sounds like a big Ditto here.

I just can't seem to confuse them with the facts.


27 posted on 10/01/2005 1:48:37 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Les_Miserables

Send me $100,000,000 and I will conduct global tests to see if the sun heats things.


28 posted on 10/01/2005 1:54:21 PM PDT by TheFrog
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To: FairOpinion; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; ...
Here's a link to the same story. There was no easy way to just include the interesting links without stripping out a ton of code and unrelated text.

I thought this was the most interesting link. Scientists Clueless over Sun's Effect on Earth

Flu shots perhaps being aimed at wrong targets

'Going Sane': A Mad, Mad World

That Famous Equation and You This is one of the best explanations of Einstein's derivation of relativity and the relation between energy and mass that you're likely to find. It was on the NY Times OpEd page, and it was their most Emailed story when I last looked. I am hoping that someone, with an un blemished posting record, posts it in the editorial sidebar. If I did it, I might be banned for good.

FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list. Anyone can post any link as they see fit.

29 posted on 10/01/2005 7:52:45 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Click here. ;-)
30 posted on 10/01/2005 8:12:04 PM PDT by GummyIII (If you have the ability, it's your responsibility." Marine Sgt. John Place, Silver Star recipient)
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To: patton

Here's an interesting one for you: especially "the famous equation" link.

29 posted on 10/01/2005 7:52:45 PM PDT by neverdem


31 posted on 10/01/2005 8:29:54 PM PDT by phantomworker (It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.)
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To: Puckster

None of these people are sensible..their next vacation will be a cruse to Alaska,because there will be no more Alaska soon..I tell you these people are nuts..


32 posted on 10/02/2005 4:54:00 AM PDT by Beth528
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To: TheFrog

LOL, Put in a bid. I bet you have a chance with the feds...8>D
In the meantime I'll build a big umbrella.


33 posted on 10/02/2005 11:07:04 AM PDT by Les_Miserables
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To: neverdem

Bookmarked your ping.


34 posted on 10/02/2005 11:21:06 AM PDT by syriacus (Dour, dour, liberal scowler -- Angry men without much power)
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To: DakotaRed
I move for the immediate passage of a Solar Protocol, binding on all nations, restricting the amount of sun each may use daily.

We can punish the more flagrant "warmth hoarders," by banning blacktop.

Hmmm....maybe some of the vanished civilizations doomed themselves by erecting pyramids and other buildings.

35 posted on 10/02/2005 11:30:07 AM PDT by syriacus (Dour, dour, liberal scowler -- Angry men without much power)
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To: FairOpinion

Interesting article, FairOpinion. Thanks for posting it.


36 posted on 10/02/2005 11:31:52 AM PDT by syriacus (Dour, dour, liberal scowler -- Angry men without much power)
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To: FairOpinion

The God (sun) that the left worships could not be the problem. /sarcasm


37 posted on 10/02/2005 11:34:20 AM PDT by bmwcyle (We broke Pink's Code and found a terrorist message)
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To: driftless

And, they're reporting warming on Mars too. I guess those Mars Rovers are burning fossil fuel.


38 posted on 10/02/2005 11:41:30 AM PDT by jslade ("If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried." (Seminole Cty, FL))
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To: The_Reader_David

Leftists/environmentalists are anti-industry, anti-commerce. They long to be serfs in a benevolent monarchy.


39 posted on 10/02/2005 11:42:08 AM PDT by Tax Government (Put down the judicial insurrection. Contribute to FR.)
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To: jslade

Well, it does have (Rove)r in Rover so of course he is the cause for that warming as well.

Man, I would like to know how he causes all of these events to happen. (sarcasm off)


40 posted on 10/02/2005 11:55:18 AM PDT by Ez2BRepub
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To: Puckster

Because those are people who desperately want to believe. Believing in manmade global warming and other eco-wacko tenets fills a big void in their lives. Undoubtedly there are some libs who rationally believe in global warming. But I'm always amused at the libs who believe absolutely everything purported by their elite leftist puppetmasters. They need something in their lives to fill the emptiness. Since most libs don't believe in spiritual matters, they've made a religion out of worshipping the earth. Your parents sound like those kind of libs. I have relatives like that too.


41 posted on 10/02/2005 1:16:06 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: FairOpinion

These people think they are God. All knowing, all seeing... He must be sitting up there laughing to kingdom come. (hopefully soon)


42 posted on 10/02/2005 1:21:21 PM PDT by Linda Sandoval (mom's for common sense judges)
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To: Les_Miserables

Hey if you can build your big umbrella out of recycled materials we could probably get 200,000,000 from the feds.


43 posted on 10/02/2005 4:48:58 PM PDT by TheFrog
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