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Giuliani: I'm Considering 2008 Bid
NewsMax ^ | 10/2/05 | AP

Posted on 10/02/2005 9:21:43 AM PDT by wagglebee

Former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani said Sunday he will contemplate next year whether to run for president in 2008.

"I will be considering it next year," Giuliani said during a visit to Denmark. But he added that playing with the idea of running for the Republican nomination for president did not mean he would actually do it.

"Sometime you warm up and get ready and you don't get in and pitch," he told reporters, in a baseball analogy.

Giuliani who was praised for his leadership following the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center, thanked Danish firefighters who raised $8,400 in support for their New York colleagues.

"To us it was the only thing we could do, raise money and show our support," firefighter Jens Hjorth said.

Eight firefighters from the station raised the money by recording a CD with six songs called "The Skyline Changed." They sold 27,000 copies.

On Sunday, the band members handed over a copy of the CD to Giuliani, who in return gave them a New York Fire Department hat.

Giuliani was in Denmark to speak at a business leadership conference in the Danish capital on Monday.

In 2000, Giuliani ran for the U.S. Senate, but dropped out after he was diagnosed with prostate cancer.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008election; conservativism; corrupt; giuliani2008; giussolini; gop; gotohellrudy; notprolife; ny2006first; president2008; rinoforprez; rockefellerredux; rudygiuliani
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Rudy is a great man, but he is not conservative enough on many crucial issues.

Perhaps he could be George Allen's running mate.

1 posted on 10/02/2005 9:21:45 AM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Giuliani: I'm Considering 2008 Bid

I suggest he try something more productive with his time. Like taking a gourmet cooking class.
2 posted on 10/02/2005 9:23:30 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: wagglebee

I agree, Allen/Giuliani would be a strong ticket.


3 posted on 10/02/2005 9:26:15 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: wagglebee

I personally like Rudy, but I have a lot of trouble with some of his issue stances. He has a lot to prove to me if he wants my support.


4 posted on 10/02/2005 9:28:04 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("My Gov'nor don't got the answer")
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To: moose2004

"I agree, Allen/Giuliani would be a strong ticket."

I like Allen too but his LA Rams always lost the really big one....no way could I vote for him for prez..:)


5 posted on 10/02/2005 9:29:20 AM PDT by fizziwig
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To: wagglebee

By coincidence, things are falling into place to Giuliani's advantage.

Three things the country will demand in 2008 are competence, an anti corruption prosecutor type and someone they trust to fight the war to a winning conclusion.

If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal.


6 posted on 10/02/2005 9:30:20 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Sabramerican

politically


7 posted on 10/02/2005 9:31:49 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: Sabramerican

Well, if Giuliani is to be the GOP candidate, even if he is perfect on economic and foreign policy issues, he has to assure the GOP base on social issues. In other words, he would need to pick a Sam Brownback as his running mate.


8 posted on 10/02/2005 9:32:28 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: All

Rudi is doing a serious disservice to the party. His proper role is defeating Hillary's Senate re-election run, not running for president. It is, in 2008, far more important that she not be elected than it is any single Republican be elected.


9 posted on 10/02/2005 9:33:24 AM PDT by Owen
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To: Sabramerican

Agreed. If Reps think social issues are going to win in 2008, they are wrong. It will be keeping America safe, and a powerhouse leader will be the only one who can beat the dims.


10 posted on 10/02/2005 9:33:34 AM PDT by tkathy (Tyranny breeds terrorism. Freedom breeds peace.)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Kerik


11 posted on 10/02/2005 9:34:39 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: wagglebee

Hannity/Coulter 2008. Brains AND looks. Unbeatable team. Name recognition. Tremendous energy. Many people of all ideologies are comfortable speaking with Hannity. Both have strong debating skills. First female VEEP. Great on issues. Already fairly well vetted I'd imagine.


12 posted on 10/02/2005 9:34:47 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: wagglebee

Rudy is too soft on tough issues.


13 posted on 10/02/2005 9:35:21 AM PDT by dino1955 (Christ is my King!)
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To: republicanwizard
Sam Brownback as his running mate.

Works for me. Perfect.

14 posted on 10/02/2005 9:35:59 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Islam is to Peace as Rape is to Love)
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To: republicanwizard

As a pro-choice Republican, Giuliani would not survive the primaries.


15 posted on 10/02/2005 9:36:42 AM PDT by Gelato
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To: wagglebee

He'd e good as a VP but NOT President - he's a rabid social LIBERAL. We really can't afford any more liberalizing of our morality. We need a crack down on that.


16 posted on 10/02/2005 9:36:52 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Sabramerican

"Three things the country will demand in 2008 are competence, an anti corruption prosecutor type and someone they trust to fight the war to a winning conclusion. If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal."

All due respect, Sab:

Competetence, anti-corruption (just wait till New Orleans shakes out further) and trust to fight the war to a winning conclusion...ARE social issues, in my opinion, in that our quality of life derives very much from how powerfully those three areas are dealth with.

My opinion. I also believe, for the conservatives who say they won't support Rudy because he's not conservative enough on some issues, that we will see two dynamics advance in the coming months:

1. Rudy will modify stances on abortion, guns and gay marriage, moving rightward (not far enough for a lot of people here, myself included, but rightward just the same).

2. The conservatives who say he hasn't moved rightward enough will mostly support him just the same, as they will see that the alternative is: Hilary.


17 posted on 10/02/2005 9:36:57 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: Owen

Hillary's going to be running in 2008!


18 posted on 10/02/2005 9:38:04 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Owen

"Rudi is doing a serious disservice to the party. His proper role is defeating Hillary's Senate re-election run, not running for president."

Right. He backed out of his last senate race very abruptly and offers no good reason for not trying again now. He stands less of a chance in 2008 than Arnold Schwartenegger, who at least has guvenatorial experience. Enough with the mayors and senators, for goodness sake. If it's anyone from congress, it ought to be a Representative: Tancredo. But I'd prefer Hannity.


19 posted on 10/02/2005 9:38:35 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: John Robertson

"Rudy will modify stances on abortion, guns and gay marriage, moving rightward (not far enough for a lot of people here, myself included, but rightward just the same)."

The days of switch-hitting on issues, I think, are over. The New Media makes that very, very difficult. Don't forget the flipflop campaign against Kerry.


20 posted on 10/02/2005 9:39:57 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: wagglebee
I totally agree that Rudolph Giuliani is a great man. He is not however conservative enough to get the nomination. Still he would at least make the campaign interesting (I would hope).

I can't imagine him being on the ticket in the number 2 spot either. He has so much personal baggage from affairs. Plus I'm sure the most dogged conservatives won't like that he's pro-choice and will not want him on the ticket as VP.
21 posted on 10/02/2005 9:40:00 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: wagglebee
"I will be considering it next year," Giuliani said during a visit to Denmark.

I think it would be great if he ran for president of Denmark! Is Rasmussen term-limited?

22 posted on 10/02/2005 9:40:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

Rudy is a national figure.

Tancredo, when people outside this forum are aware of him, think of him as a nut extremist (that's a marketing issue, not a judgement).

Rudy dropped out of the senate race because he had cancer. I'm sure there are better reasons for dropping out (and continuing to be mayor of the world's most important city), but I can't think of too many right now.


23 posted on 10/02/2005 9:41:56 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
You're correct. Republicans are held to a much higher standard by the press (as well as by our own). If Rudy flip-flops it would just backfire on him. Best to go out there and show all his true colors...good and bad.
24 posted on 10/02/2005 9:42:09 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: John Robertson
"1. Rudy will modify stances on abortion, guns and gay marriage, moving rightward (not far enough for a lot of people here, myself included, but rightward just the same)."

Then he'd better be unequivocal about it and mean it (actual promises might do.)

25 posted on 10/02/2005 9:42:53 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: republicanwizard

"In other words, he would need to pick a Sam Brownback as his running mate."

He'd be more likely to pick Barney Frank.


26 posted on 10/02/2005 9:43:11 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: Sabramerican

How can he differentiate himself from Hillary? When he was running against her in 2000 they had virtually the same position on the issues. (He was a little more explicit on crime issues- although Hillary has always claimed she is tough on those issues. And her public statements, at least, on aboprtion were slightly to the right of his. Other than that, pretty much the same thing.)


27 posted on 10/02/2005 9:44:00 AM PDT by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Sabramerican
If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal

Well said! There are for more pressing non-social issues to be addressed that the GOP has been AWOL for too long on:

- Govt. spending like "drunken sailors"

- Declaring war and mobilizing the country to victory

- Energy independence from our enemies

- Immigration/border enforcement to bring jobs/wages back to Americans (and stop the social service spending hemorrhage on ILLEGALs)

28 posted on 10/02/2005 9:44:16 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: John Robertson

"Rudy dropped out of the senate race because he had cancer. I'm sure there are better reasons for dropping out (and continuing to be mayor of the world's most important city), but I can't think of too many right now."

Granted, but he's not running against her now. He has unfinished business, doesn't he?


29 posted on 10/02/2005 9:44:19 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: John Robertson

Rudy Giuliani ain't running in 2008, since he would be unelectable on a national level even if he wholeheartedly supported every single plank of the GOP platform.


30 posted on 10/02/2005 9:44:24 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: John Robertson
If we can get SCOUS fixed the social issues will have a lot less meaning.

Giuliani is way down my list of people that I would vote for although he is ahead of McCain.

The Second Amendment issue is very important, he is going to have to move very far on that before he has a shot in the primaries.

Another thing to consider is crossover votes. In the last few elections the GOP has pulled democrat voters because of, not in spite of, the gun and social issues. If we run a candidate that is just like the democrats on these issues then what incentive do they have for voting GOP?

31 posted on 10/02/2005 9:46:12 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Machina improba! Vel mihi ede potum vel mihi redde nummos meos!)
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To: F16Fighter

"Then he'd better be unequivocal about it and mean it (actual promises might do.)"

He's defended PARTIAL BIRTH abortion on Hannity. That would be quite a reach, wouldn't it? It would be completely hopeless for him to switch over at this late hour.


32 posted on 10/02/2005 9:46:32 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: wagglebee

I agree with your statement. I think Rudy could win the 2008 election, but he is no conservative. We need a strong conservative - with a backbone - now more than ever.


33 posted on 10/02/2005 9:46:54 AM PDT by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: wagglebee

Don't bother, RINO. You won't get my support, nor any of my family.


34 posted on 10/02/2005 9:48:40 AM PDT by Spiff (I think that looters AND people who continue to misspell "Martial Law" should be shot.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Then Guiliani's wasting everyone's time...

Better that he reprise his run for NY Governor again.

35 posted on 10/02/2005 9:49:23 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To add one more thing here...

A strength that Giuliani has that is rarely mentioned is his ability to frame political issues in such a succinct and logical way that no matter what he says you find yourself nodding your head up and down.

The man would be a hell of a used car salesman.


36 posted on 10/02/2005 9:49:29 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

OR Senator.


37 posted on 10/02/2005 9:49:52 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: wagglebee
Rudy is a great man, but he is not conservative enough on many crucial issues. Perhaps he could be George Allen's running mate.

If he's too liberal to be President, then he's too liberal to be Vice President. As far as I am concerned the two have the same threshold of acceptance.

38 posted on 10/02/2005 9:50:34 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Spiff
"Don't bother, RINO. You won't get my support, nor any of my family."

When your family is a majority of the electorate I'll stop yawning.

39 posted on 10/02/2005 9:51:33 AM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: SaveTheChief

Frankly, I think Bush is more a moderate than a conservative, let alone Guiliani. I like him. I think he's a wonderful statesman who led his city well in time of crisis. It was kool the way he turned down the check from that sultan [the one that crazy woman, Cinthia McKinney went running after]. But all that is jeapordized if he presses for the White House. I'd hate for that to happen.


40 posted on 10/02/2005 9:51:52 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: wagglebee
Except that he won't be taking my revolver away, I think he might be what this country needs. Rudy is a fighter and he calls them like he sees them.

We, and in fact, the entire world are at war with the devout followers of Islam and Rudy understands as only a person who was downtown on 9/11 can. He saw firsthand what we are up against...and he won't forget!

As a note to my comment above about the war with the devout followers of Islam, let me add that moderate muslims may not comprise the frontline of the enemy's position, but to the extent that moderates do not stand firmly against the hardliners, they are collaberators.

Rudy may not be as conservative as some would like, but there is IMO something more important than conservatism when one is at war. And that is effectiveness at winning the war. Of course, Rudy will have to endure through the campaign process and will have to define his positions clearly. But I, for one, am glad he is thinking of running. He has already been battle-tested and emerged as a capable leader.

41 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:16 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The only way to find yourself is in the fires of sorrow." -- Oswald Chambers)
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To: fizziwig

You're talking about his father, the late Coach George Allen. George Allen Jr. is a winner, Virginia State Delegate, Virginia State Senator, Congressman, Governor, and now Senator. Allen can win in 08, and he's got my support.


42 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:41 AM PDT by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Sabramerican
If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal.

It'll be political suicide for conservatives if Guilani gets the GOP nod.

The 2nd biggest issue facing America after WOT is the three-headed monster: Social Security/Medicare/Medicaid. Until a GOP candidate grows some genitals and proposes nothing short of an immediate phase-out of these economic-killing entitlement programs, then you might as well kiss this country goodbye.

Guilani has no business running for President - he'd be great as head of Justice Dept though.

43 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:41 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Spiff

"You won't get my support, nor any of my family."

Maybe families that support partial birth abortion would vote for him. How many families support that?


44 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: Sabramerican
If Republicans believe social issues will be at the fore in 2008, they are political suicidal.

I'm sure you think that adherence to "social issues" is a calculation, but for the vast majority of Republicans they are deeply held beliefs -- the basics of right and wrong in a civilized society, regardless of what is at the "fore".

45 posted on 10/02/2005 9:53:55 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"...he'd be great as head of Justice Dept though..."

I agree. He'd be oustanding. Or FBI director.


46 posted on 10/02/2005 9:54:49 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: ElkGroveDan

People forget the importance of an energized base. It's very hard to win without that. And if you have an energized base, you can win with wider margines.


47 posted on 10/02/2005 9:56:33 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: tkathy
they are wrong. It will be keeping America safe, and a powerhouse leader will be the only one who can beat the dims.

Wrong. Keeping America safe is a given no matter who's President. Even if Hillary is elected, she's going to have to address terrorism or risk the wrath of Americans.

Economic and energy issues are extremely (no pun intended) important. Guilaini is a big government liberal who'll accomplish zilch when it comes to reforming the tax code or phasing out entitlements.

48 posted on 10/02/2005 9:57:21 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: moose2004

George Allen: he's kind of quiet on the immigration issue, isn't he? And that's a very important issue.


49 posted on 10/02/2005 9:57:44 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March ("They'll have to basically rip my fingers from this porch." com/focus/bloggers/1483977/posts)
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To: Owen
Rudi is doing a serious disservice to the party. His proper role is defeating Hillary's Senate re-election run, not running for president. It is, in 2008, far more important that she not be elected than it is any single Republican be elected.

Exactly.
Perhaps Rudi is waiting to spring a sudden late entry into the New York Senate race after Hillary is already well committed to running again, so it's too late for her to gracefully drop out or for Democrats field a replacement candidate.
50 posted on 10/02/2005 9:58:03 AM PDT by counterpunch
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