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Facing Abductor, Girls Proved Martial Arts Training {10 year olds whup teacher]
Washington Post ^ | October 4, 2005 | By Jamie Stockwell and Tom Jackman, Washington Post Staff Writers

Posted on 10/04/2005 6:03:12 AM PDT by aculeus

When the masked man attacked them inside their bedroom in the middle of the night Sunday, the twin 10-year-old girls responded just as they had been taught in their martial arts class: They fought back.

The commotion woke their parents, who rushed in and thought they recognized the tall, ponytailed intruder. The girls' father whacked him with the base of a table lamp and yanked off part of his mask. As the intruder ran from the Vienna townhouse, the parents were pretty sure it was "Andy," an instructor at Mountain Kim Martial Arts studio in Vienna, where their daughters take classes every week, the mother told police.

Hours later, Andrew Jacobs, 42, a part-time instructor at the studio who holds a black belt, was arrested at the brick house he shares with his sister, not far from the girls' home. Yesterday, he appeared in court, with a black eye and bruises on his face, on charges of assault, attempted abduction and burglary. A judge ordered him held without bond.

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To: aculeus

To heck with a lamp, had it been my house, the only thing this guy would have got is both barrels of a Stevens 311A 12 gauge double barrel shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot in the face.


51 posted on 10/04/2005 6:48:39 AM PDT by RobertP
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To: RobertP

Kind of a combination reality/makeover show.


52 posted on 10/04/2005 6:50:08 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Maceman
"Please let me go I don't like that."

They teach them to be polite? I'd teach the kids to yell "Get the F*** away from me!!"

Nothing brings adults running faster than kids yelling obscenities!

53 posted on 10/04/2005 6:52:01 AM PDT by WIladyconservative (Save us from future Freepathons - set up a monthly donation!)
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To: petro45acp; dsc
"Never trust a man with a pony tail."

...that could be partially true. I wore one for a while. I was living away from the world, and it grew. I guess it was a rebellion, or something. I got laid more often then... and less after I cut it. Hmmmmmmm... I was still the same guy... but the girls loved to run their fingers through MY hair!

54 posted on 10/04/2005 6:52:13 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Dallas59
Ain't that Freakshow's brother?

Bad Harold and Kumar reference...

55 posted on 10/04/2005 6:53:59 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: WIladyconservative
They teach them to be polite?

It doesn't sound so polite when a kid is screaming it at the top of her lungs, which is how they practice it.

But I take your point.

56 posted on 10/04/2005 6:54:08 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake But Accurate)
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To: pageonetoo
Vienna is in Virginia, not DC. Here all gun purchases, including handgun purchases, are cash-n'-carry.

Ya gotta love this state.

58 posted on 10/04/2005 7:01:13 AM PDT by jboot (Faith is not a work)
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To: Baynative

Is that from the hacker's dictionary? The only mullet I know of swim in the ocean, and are tasty.


59 posted on 10/04/2005 7:06:21 AM PDT by dsc
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To: pageonetoo

"and less after I cut it."

Yes, there are some women who are attracted to womanly hair on a man. Maybe some day some woman will tell me why.


60 posted on 10/04/2005 7:08:45 AM PDT by dsc
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To: dsc

Whatsamatter? Can't YOU grow hair?


61 posted on 10/04/2005 7:09:49 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Still got plenty, even after the chemo.

Even had it down past the middle of my back -- until about 1972.


62 posted on 10/04/2005 7:11:10 AM PDT by dsc
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To: wizardoz
What kind of idiot tries to abduct children that he knows for a fact know martial arts???


63 posted on 10/04/2005 7:14:34 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: wizardoz
It goes to show its almost always someone you know. What kinda idiot breaks into a house where everybody could recognize you?
64 posted on 10/04/2005 7:16:11 AM PDT by pangaea6
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To: RobertP

A lamp was good enough. I don't know you would want to do both barrels in a dynamic fight with a young girl and an EVIL SOB in very close range. Heavy iron bar to the middle of the back might work. Ice pick applied correctly to either the heart liver or brain (via eyeball or ear, might work. Check with local authorities about this method first. Heart and liver are easier target, and before the demise of the ice box was a weapon of choice among 25% of all murderers.

Pepperspray in the eyes is pretty cool too. He might not have found his way out of the room. If you hit the mouth also, he might lose the ability to run in a very short time. I which case you can be yelling to the community this POS was trying to rape my daughter and see if you get a crowd.

Hey, if you had a good shot though...

Remember, if you hit the face, Identification will be much tougher.

There is always a lot of tough talk in these threads. I appreciate it, but you need to understand the constraints of your community. There are a lot of people that use legitimate self defense, that end up defending themselves in court and losing everything.

As an example:

After posting the above, if I EVER use an icepick in self defense, I will be in deep doo doo. In my state firearms are outlined in the state constitution in defense of self and others. Not property.

Understand your local laws before anything happens and everyone will be a lot better off when the unthinkable happens.

And practice often.

DK

Golden rule, better to be tried by twelve than carried by six. Doubly so for parents protecting kids.

No, not being tried by 24 and carried by 12. How about better safe than sorry, and ask questions later. That sounds mixed.

How about two to the chest, one to the head?


66 posted on 10/04/2005 7:19:44 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Maceman
Our daughter took a RAD (Rape Aggressive Defense) class with some local police officers a few weeks ago. At the end of the classes, the cops dressed in thick padding and made the girls attack them. They told them that this was the only time in their lives they could beat up a cop and not get in trouble! ;o)

The girls actually beat the snot out of them, I was very proud of our daughter, and it was great to watch. Now they harbor no illusions that they would ever be able to completely overpower an attacker, but they learned enough to at least slow someone down, or disable him so that they could get away and attract some attention.

The most important thing they learned, though, was to always be aware of where you are so that you don't put yourself in a dangerous situation. Granted, that's not always possible, but it gives them better odds.

67 posted on 10/04/2005 7:20:10 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Preachin'

I would not let that thing NEAR my children.


68 posted on 10/04/2005 7:20:24 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Ignorance is a condition. Stupidity is a strategy.)
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To: WIladyconservative
Nothing brings adults running faster than kids yelling obscenities!

ROTFL!!

69 posted on 10/04/2005 7:22:19 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ThomasMore
This guy looks like he should have been in the movie "Deliverance"!

He's probably gonna "squeal like a pig" a lot when the other prisoners find out that he got beat up by a couple of little girls.

70 posted on 10/04/2005 7:22:27 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: dsc
I didn't grow mine long until '90, mainly because it was easier to tie it back than cough up too much for another lousy haircut in another town from an outfit who probably figured they'd never see me again. (I was working wells in a 7 state area at the time).

When the yuppie bikers started bobbing theirs into little Steven Sagall ponytails, I decided to keep it long, just to prove I wasn't another yuppie biker.

It still reaches the middle of my back, and I have a dozen grandkids.

My wife's hair is longer, though.

71 posted on 10/04/2005 7:25:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Dallas59

He looks like the male alien in "Rocky Horror Picture Show"


72 posted on 10/04/2005 7:26:39 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: bd476
Good morning.

Resistance isn't futile and these kids won because they fought back. Whether or not you think you can defeat your enemy, never ever give up. Oh, and make a lot of noise.

Michael Frazier
73 posted on 10/04/2005 7:32:37 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: petro45acp

Bald with ponytail is a special kind of pathetic.


74 posted on 10/04/2005 7:33:17 AM PDT by Frankss
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To: petro45acp

Bald with ponytail is a special kind of pathetic.


75 posted on 10/04/2005 7:33:20 AM PDT by Frankss
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To: petro45acp

Bald with ponytail is a special kind of pathetic.


76 posted on 10/04/2005 7:33:22 AM PDT by Frankss
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To: Smokin' Joe

"cough up too much for another lousy haircut in another town from an outfit who probably figured they'd never see me again."

I just go on base and get lousy haircuts from the same people who cut the sailors' hair. I don't care if it's a good haircut or a bad haircut, as long as it's a haircut.


77 posted on 10/04/2005 7:36:25 AM PDT by dsc
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To: Maceman
Well, first they were only blue belts, and second, it doesn't matter how well trained a kid is -- she is NEVER going to be able to overpower a healthy male adult.

Maybe, maybe not. I speak from experience because my 16 year old daughter has a third degree black belt in Tang Soo Do and my 13 year old son has a second degree black belt in the same dicipline. At age 10, they could not overpower a healthy male. The goal, however, is not to "overpower," but to defend, evade, and escape. The element of surprise, the sudden burst of energy, the speed, and the piercing yells, may very well prove sufficient to accomplish those goals against a helathy male, depending upon their level of martial arts training.

78 posted on 10/04/2005 7:38:07 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Dallas59

He looks ROUGH for a 42-yr-old.


79 posted on 10/04/2005 7:39:49 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (I'm an island awash in a sea of stupidity)
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To: dsc

No base anywhere near here--or in the areas where I was working, unless you count Groom/Nellis (just east of there for one well). They weren't too likely to let me in for a haircut there...Cheaper to tie it back, too.


80 posted on 10/04/2005 7:40:24 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: bd476
The story does not mention anywhere that the ten year old twins won the fight or "whupped" him. The story does say that the commotion and their screaming awoke their father who then whacked the creep with a lamp.

That's an important distinction for those who believe that ten year old blue belts could defeat an adult male.

However this story is important and serves as a reminder that martial arts schools are not required to run background checks.

Parents should not assume that their children are safe with their martial arts instructors.

Very, very true.  Never assume that a martial arts instructor is trustworthy or competent. 

As a student, or parent of a student, you need to conduct careful research.  Be cynical about grandiose claims of what you or your kids will accomplish as a student. 

I recommend that folks buy Melissa Soalt's self defense videos as a starting point and advance their study from there. What she teaches works for everyone from small females to big males. Much of the content will work for children. It is nothing new, but she has researched the topic well and presents it just as well. 
81 posted on 10/04/2005 7:44:42 AM PDT by Ghengis (Alexander was a wuss!)
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To: Dallas59

He's got that David Carradine thing going on.


82 posted on 10/04/2005 7:46:12 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: ko_kyi

Riff-Raff


83 posted on 10/04/2005 7:56:24 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: RobertP
To heck with a lamp, had it been my house, the only thing this guy would have got is both barrels of a Stevens 311A 12 gauge double barrel shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot in the face.

By the looks of the wierdo, it would have been an improvement.

84 posted on 10/04/2005 8:08:15 AM PDT by MarineBrat (When it rains, New Orleans makes its own gravy.)
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To: Mr. Jazzy

85 posted on 10/04/2005 8:21:01 AM PDT by Enterprise (The modern Democrat Party - a toxic stew of mental illness, cultism, and organized crime.)
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To: ko_kyi
He looks like the male alien in "Rocky Horror Picture Show"

. . . ya got a point there. But O'Brien's a lot better looking (ain't sayin' much, but . . . )

BTW, my kudos to the dad for using a blunt object rather than a 12 ga. Pellets sometimes go awry in a panic in the dark.

I might have used the 4 cell Mag Lite that lives next to my Sig Sauer, though . . .

86 posted on 10/04/2005 8:36:36 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Enterprise

I KNEW I'd seen that forehead before


Job well done!


87 posted on 10/04/2005 8:36:39 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Bumper sticker "Martyrs or Marines: Who do YOU think will get the virgins?")
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To: wizardoz

An evil person would do such a thing.

He knew the girls would fight and thought he could get the better of them.


88 posted on 10/04/2005 8:51:15 AM PDT by gortklattu (Dinos are better than Rinos)
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To: aculeus
The girls' father whacked him with the base of a table lamp and yanked off part of his mask.

Wow, this reminds me of the finale of a Scooby Doo episode.

89 posted on 10/04/2005 10:16:38 AM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon
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To: dsc; lightingguy
Never trust a man with a pony tail.

HEY! I married a man with a ponytail and just pinged him to this post. 12 years later, we're still best friends.

It's in all the wedding photos! Of course, he's since traded it in for 3 kids, a mortgage and a job that keeps normal hours. :)

90 posted on 10/04/2005 10:31:18 AM PDT by agrace (Where were you when I founded the earth? Tell me if you know so much. Job 38:4)
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To: Baynative
According to the mullet cultist, what that guy is working on is a "skirted eggshell" hairstyle, which only needs that he lose a little more hair on top to be complete.

For the true connoisseur of mullettude, go to MulletLovers.com. Here's just one sample:


91 posted on 10/04/2005 10:34:54 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Judge not, unless ye be a God-fearing originalist)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Ya beat me to that one!


92 posted on 10/04/2005 10:39:45 AM PDT by acad1228 (Free The West Memphis Three!!!)
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To: Ranxerox

The kind who buy their black belts from "I can make you a black belt in six months"-type operations by fly-by-night operators.


93 posted on 10/04/2005 12:09:04 PM PDT by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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To: agrace; dsc

Just for reference, I DID lose the ponytail many years ago. I don't even know why I felt the need to clarify.


94 posted on 10/04/2005 2:06:59 PM PDT by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: agrace; dsc

Just for reference, I DID lose the ponytail many years ago. I don't even know why I felt the need to clarify.


95 posted on 10/04/2005 2:07:04 PM PDT by lightingguy (Sorry, I got distracted)
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To: coydog

Lol, I was just about to say that man probably got his "Black Belt" from a McDojo.


96 posted on 10/04/2005 2:18:56 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Future Minnesota Refugee)
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To: Maceman
You're very wrong. A child is never going to win against an adult in a contest of strength, but there are myriad examples of children, small women, the elderly, etc etc, hurting larger, stronger opponents enough to make good their escape.

You don't have to be able to win a prolonged bout with an attacker to save your life. Being able to fight long enough to make a lot of noise and attract help can save your life. Being able to stun an opponent long enough to run to safety can save your life. Dealing damage to a soft spot like the eye can save your life. etc etc.

In my own experience, a crippling leg blow can give you all the distance you need from a 6'6" 300 pound monster. No way I could go toe to toe with the guy, but no way was he following me across the parking lot with his knee blown out.

97 posted on 11/02/2005 7:42:33 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: dsc

Yeah, yeah, yeah, all the guys wear high and tights in your little conformist utopia.


98 posted on 11/02/2005 7:43:34 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: JamesP81

Disagree again. A very tall instructor is actually the guy that helped me develop my own fighting style that worked very well for me in tournaments and on the street. At 5'1", I have the ability to attack from unusual angles, that robs a fighter of recognition, 1 of the 3 R's of speed. I'm much more afraid of a fighter who's beefier than I am than one who's taller than I am.


99 posted on 11/02/2005 7:49:07 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: Melas

Refraining from outlandish and eccentric dress is good manners, and good manners shows sanity and respect for others.


100 posted on 11/02/2005 7:50:40 PM PST by dsc
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