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Despite explosion, no security changes for OU-Texas
ESPN.com ^ | 05 Oct 2005 | AP

Posted on 10/06/2005 5:51:28 PM PDT by MikefromOhio

DALLAS -- Confident that a thorough security plan for the Cotton Bowl was developed before a deadly explosion outside the University of Oklahoma's football stadium last week, authorities said no drastic new safeguards will be made for Saturday's game between Texas and Oklahoma.

But authorities warned that security personnel around the Cotton Bowl will be more alert in response to the blast, which investigators say was caused when explosives attached to a student's body detonated within 100 yards of where more than 80,000 fans were gathered inside Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

"That's one of things we drilled into the heads of our officers," said Dallas Deputy Chief Jesse Reyes. "To be vigilant about suspicious-looking persons or suspicious-looking vehicles or anything of that sort."

Joel Henry Hinrichs III, 21, died Saturday when the device attached to his body exploded about while he sat on a bench outside George Lynn Cross Hall on the campus in Norman, Okla., officials said. The blast could be heard inside the stadium, where Oklahoma was playing Kansas State.

University of Oklahoma President David Boren said Tuesday that authorities continue to believe that Hinrichs did not try to get into the stadium and that he acted alone.

Reyes said Dallas police have been talking with FBI investigators to learn more about the explosion, so that officers patrolling the game can watch for similar signs or evidence Saturday. Officials said the day of the Texas-Oklahoma game draws about 250,000 fans and visitors to the State Fair of Texas, which takes place outside the Cotton Bowl and serves as the backdrop to the rivalry.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: boomersooner; collegefootball; cottonbowl; football; hinrichs; longhorns; ou; oubombing; redrivershootout; texas
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To: Rte66

very possible..

Texas hasn't played badly in a game yet....


51 posted on 10/06/2005 7:15:23 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

Funny, isn't it, how the planners never seem interested in taking the shortcut to Paradise themselves. The grunts, alas, are too dim-witted to notice this odd pattern.


52 posted on 10/06/2005 7:16:30 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

yeah...

that is my experience.

I mean is Zarqawi was SOOO committed, he would have driven one of those car bombs by now ya know?


53 posted on 10/06/2005 7:17:46 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

He was removing the bombing materials from a backpack to put them in a vest and most assume to go back in as they don't pat people down, take off the vest and detonate it that way. Instead something happened and it blew up while he was sitting on the bench. The bomb had a directional device and they have found metal in the trees. There was a second backpack which Boren first said was blown up and then said it had nothing in it but that was not the facts according to sources in Norman PD. The 2nd backpack also contained a bomb.


54 posted on 10/06/2005 7:20:17 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: indcons

I bet there are changes in security proceedures at games all over the country this week. They just may not be made public.


55 posted on 10/06/2005 7:20:49 PM PDT by JLS
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To: PhiKapMom

I wonder if the trigger device was set off by any two way radios perhaps?

either way, I don't think this guy was really the planner of the event at all. Generally the planners don't plant or wear the bombs.


56 posted on 10/06/2005 7:21:46 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: scott says

The teams shook the city down for more money. They will probably raise the ante again when Jerry Jones gets his billion dollar palace.

And, of course when the Black schools heard that Texas and OU were getting more money for their game, they played the race card even though they already knew that more money was headed their direction.


57 posted on 10/06/2005 7:25:44 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: MikeinIraq
OU can win, but I think this game will be good.

All I know is, as frustrated as Texas has been over the last 4 years, if they get up early there will be no mercy. At least that's what I hope...

58 posted on 10/06/2005 7:28:01 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Looks like he was the bomb maker -- my guess is when he couldn't get in the stadium, his handlers blew him up before he could transfer everything to the vest. Two-way radios would make sense.


59 posted on 10/06/2005 7:28:30 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: cspackler

yeah...

I think this is the game where OU either grows up or goes completely backwards....


60 posted on 10/06/2005 7:28:43 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: PAR35
Check again. I think Shootout was deemed politically incorrect by the sponsor and that the name of the game has been changed to something less militant.

The Red River slap fight?
61 posted on 10/06/2005 7:28:56 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: PhiKapMom

hmmmm...

then, at least, he was the exception to the rule at least with the building of the bomb...

I wonder if he was on any drugs at the time? Generally the bombers are doped up pretty well....


62 posted on 10/06/2005 7:31:55 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: jimbo123; jeffers

I like Jeffers take on this."I think that several issues need to be raised here.

1. Terrorists know that they cannot directly affect millions of their enemies. For this reason, their attacks focus on producing indirect affects, and are designed wholly with the mass media in mind. It's no accident that Osama and company tried and tried to wake up the video-ographer who was supposed to tape the Cole attack. It's not an accident that the two aircraft which hit the World Trade Center were spaced far enough apart for the news crews to set up and record the second strike on the south tower.

2. The FBI was such a poor choice of Clinton's to combat terrorism, the whole "criminal investigation versus national security issue/debate included, because they are, by law, and by charter prevented from disclosing information obtained during an ongoing investigation.

I'm not saying that these issues outweigh the general public's right to know, but I am saying that both of these issues need to be weighed when making charges of a preplanned cover-up.

I am also saying that in my opinion, you do not see any "news blackout" going on here. No news agency has come forward saying that they were penalized or sanctioned for reporting on this story.

Instead, we see news leaking out around the edges of what appears to be a simple government consensus to limit the amount of free publicity the terrorists gain from un-considered press conferences.

In a perfect world, each individual here would have a top secret security clearance and a special link to click on to gain full disclosure on any subject that interested them, while at the same time, the mass media would never be in a position to knowingly or unknowingly glorify terrorist operations, blow terrorist investigations, or help the terrorists meet their recruitment goals.

If anyone here thinks that these two goals are anything other than mutually incompatible, I have a bridge to sell you. Reality will fall somewhere in the middle, you won't know as much as you want to, and the world won't either. You will, however, know more than the FBI and the terrorists want you too, and to some degree you have a measure of control in the degree to which this prophecy comes true.

There are basically only two kinds of secrets, science and politics. How things work, and what other people do. The military would love to control science, but the very filtering process that generates career officers precludes a large degree of the independent thought necessary for inovation. Many in government would love to control all public information flow.

To some degree, these attempts are successful. To a large degree they are not. Scientists have great difficulty proceeding and progressing without the peer review process. There is a lever here for the interested. Political secrets expand exponentially as more and more people become aware of them. There is a lever here for the interested.

Security classifications do not address these issues, nor do they prevent an individual from obtaiing enough information to construct the big picture view necessary for his own survival.

Access to political secrets is a measure of political influence and success, but the problem is that no-one knows you have access unless you tell them.

The result is that this official lets this tiny factoid slip out, while that official makes a veiled allusion to a totally different data byte, which is then "loose" and available for comment by yet a third official outside the loop entirely, but who's commentary begins shedding light on that piece's respective place in the larger picture, etc. etc. etc.

The first secret then, to "knowing" what you need to know is to cast the widest net possible. FR comes to mind, as one part of a well tuned "wide net".

The second secret is to properly classify and store incoming data bytes until you have enough corroborated bytes to start forming a flowchart or overall assessment.

I've probably said too much on this subject already, that little gray van with the antennas and blacked out windows is parked at the end of my driveway again, but those who already understand the process need no further advice, and those capable of understanding can figure out and implement the rest for themselves.

Finally, I want to close by noting that there is an inevitable process of natural selection at work here, as there is in all respects applying to daily life on planet earth.

Some people recognized before 9/11 that large congregations of Americans represent a political or military target to certain other sects.

Some people have figured that out since 9/11.

Some people are just starting to realize this fact now.

Some people will never realize this.

As always, the fit are more likely to survive and reproduce than the unfit. This is a simple and well understood natural law.What may not be so well understood is that natural laws cannot be unwritten by religious or legislative efforts. The spring can be stretched, but the total quantity of energy in the system is a product of the spring's molecular energy (heat), its chemical energy, and its kinetic energy.

Kinetic energy includes potential kinetic energy, and kinetic energy does work. Work can counteract the second law of thermodynamics or it can apply the second law of thermodynamics, but it cannot be legislated out of existence.

Short and sweet, if you like order, don't stretch the spring, instead, live in accordance with natural law. If you like chaos, stretch the spring without due advance deliberative process and hope that the laws of man override the laws of nature.

Good luck with that last...

;-) "





63 posted on 10/06/2005 7:32:36 PM PDT by fatima (Have a beer-It is good for everything.Beer Mod. freepathon.)
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To: MikeinIraq

I haven't heard anything about drugs. He left a lot of bomb making supplies in his apartment. Norman PD blew them up around 9:30 Sunday night which I heard here which is five miles away and it rattled my front window.


64 posted on 10/06/2005 7:33:32 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: PhiKapMom

yeah.

C4 is pretty powerful itself. I don't know what he was using, but it was something of that vein.


65 posted on 10/06/2005 7:36:13 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq; PhiKapMom

I read a posting which said that he may have been planning to use TATP as a detonator for the Ammomium Nitrate he was trying to buy.


66 posted on 10/06/2005 7:49:13 PM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons
Updated FR list-o-links with brief descriptions (Update 4 on 10/06/2005). This list will be updated as new threads are posted.

Cliff notes version, Oct. 06

Main thread with tons of useful info and breaking news from day one, Oct. 01
Joel jihad identification thread, Oct. 02
Bomb material found thread, Oct. 02
Explosive stash found thread, Oct. 03
Joel Jihad tries to buy Ammonium Nitrate thread, Oct. 04
OK City Channel 9 story thread, Oct. 04
Malkin blog posts thread, Oct. 04
Sources ID TATP thread, Oct. 04
Roomie identified thread, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 1, Oct. 05
More on the roomie thread 2, Oct. 05
Boren bio, Oct. 05
DougFromUpland interview with Jayna Davis thread, Oct. 05
Suicide Bomber Attempted Stadium Entry/5 Others Involved, Ticket to Algeria Found, Oct. 05. Must-read thread
Officer had clue before OU blast; Oct. 06
Jayna Davis’ radio schedule…check it out; Oct. 06
Some consolidated info from other FR threads; Oct. 06
Link roundup; Oct. 06
Boren’s PC email; read for laughs; Oct. 06
OU shouldn't take too long answering questions; Oct. 06
67 posted on 10/06/2005 7:49:55 PM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons; PhiKapMom

I think he had tons of help to do that.

but I don't think Hinrichs himself had anything to do with NYC that Hinrichs himself knew about.....


68 posted on 10/06/2005 7:50:36 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: MikeinIraq

Thanks for the reply, MikeinIraq.


69 posted on 10/06/2005 8:07:45 PM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: MikeinIraq

Originally they called it a pipe bomb which set off the BS meter immediately. That bomb was loud!


70 posted on 10/06/2005 8:07:59 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: cspackler
"All I know is, as frustrated as Texas has been over the last 4 years..."

I know that it hurts cspackler but it is actually five years (63-14, 14-3, 35-24, 65-13, & 12-0) but who is keeping track. : ) : )

I am leaving Edmond, Oklahoma, tomorrow morning headed for Dallas for the game. This will be my seventh straight OU-Texas game and it will be a cold day in he!! before some Muslim Islamofascist causes me to miss my Sooners!! Boomer Friggin' Sooner!!

71 posted on 10/06/2005 8:16:42 PM PDT by oursacredhonor
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To: MikeinIraq

God, I hope some "crazy" person doesn't wound or kill a future tight end. The Bears really need one.

I have been concerned about these small scale attacks since 9/11 and don't understand why more of them haven't been tried.


72 posted on 10/06/2005 8:18:20 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: oursacredhonor
I know that it hurts cspackler but it is actually five years

Well, in that case I expect even less mercy... ;}

You never know how this game will go, but I always get pumped for it.

Why doesn't Texas fall in the Gulf?

73 posted on 10/06/2005 8:21:22 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: MikeinIraq

All on the UT side o' the ball.:)


74 posted on 10/06/2005 8:34:13 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (I'd never question a DUmmie's patriotism. Even after 14 years, they're still loyal to the USSR.)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

nah I am pretty certain that Peterson for OU will be a 1st rounder...

and I think Bromar will end up in the NFL at some point too...


75 posted on 10/06/2005 8:38:16 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (FR is funny when the HYSTERIA corps is out in force.....it's vanity day!!!!)
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To: indcons; 2witty; A Jovial Cad; AmerRepb; amigatec; Amityschild; Angry_White_Man_Syndrome; ...
One more!

Oklahoma Ping!

If you want on
or off this list
Freepmail me.

76 posted on 10/06/2005 8:40:37 PM PDT by 2Jedismom (Expect me when you see me!)
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To: jimbo123
The guy that blew himself up was the bombmaker.

The news said it took authorities 24 hours to remove the bomb stuff from his apt. Now why would a guy who was going to commit suicide leave all that? Wouldn't he get rid of it first? The bomb went off accidently.

77 posted on 10/06/2005 8:44:22 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: JimSEA
The next bomber doesn't need to get "in" the stadium. I would imagine that as much murder and mayhem would be caused by mixing with the crowd as it exits the stadium. This boy was close to the exits and wasn't challenged, in fact, wouldn't have been until the bottleneck at the entry.

But this provokes the question: Why didn't the recently-imploded bomb-toter detonate it while at the stadium entrances he supposedly tried to enter? Was the crowd too small for his taste?

78 posted on 10/06/2005 8:46:17 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: cspackler

Careful now! : ) : )


79 posted on 10/06/2005 8:48:54 PM PDT by oursacredhonor
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To: PhiKapMom
Looks like he was the bomb maker -- my guess is when he couldn't get in the stadium, his handlers blew him up before he could transfer everything to the vest. Two-way radios would make sense.

It occurred to me that the explosive could have been on a timer rather than remote detonated, but if he had made the bombs he wouldn't have been dawdling unless his imminent "martyrdom" distracted him.

80 posted on 10/06/2005 8:50:10 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (Be not Afraid. "Perfect love drives out fear.")
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To: Dumb_Ox

Interesting point -- maybe in his hurry he accidentally detonated the bomb for which all of us Sooner fans are very grateful or he was late.


81 posted on 10/06/2005 9:05:22 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
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To: Hattie
Now why would a guy who was going to commit suicide leave all that?

Maybe the materials in the apartment belonged to the roommate.

82 posted on 10/06/2005 9:47:53 PM PDT by WhatWouldReaganDo
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To: PhiKapMom

Would you happen to know where they found the 2nd bomb?

Thank you, BTW, for your info on this. Please add me to your pinglist if you have one on this topic.


83 posted on 10/06/2005 10:14:36 PM PDT by cgk (Bennett: If we are surrounded by the trivial & vicious, it is all too easy to make our peace with it)
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To: MikeinIraq
nice little beard you've got there Mister jihadi wannabe.
84 posted on 10/06/2005 11:40:18 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Understand islam understand evil - read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf see link My Page)
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To: indcons

Football in the old big eight and now the current league has been huge money creation/attractions for the Universities, the host cities and the states for over 50 years.


85 posted on 10/06/2005 11:48:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: 2Jedismom

BTTT


87 posted on 10/07/2005 3:00:39 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: MikeinIraq
University of Oklahoma President David Boren said Tuesday that authorities continue to believe that Hinrichs did not try to get into the stadium and that he acted alone.

They also believe strongly in the toothfairy and Easter bunny....

susie

88 posted on 10/07/2005 5:38:00 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: olde north church

Hmm I didn't think of that. But it DID occur to me, while watching wall to wall coverage of a possible bomb threat in NYC, and fuming that the media has ignored a real bombing in little Norman OK that at least part of the problem is they could care less about news that doesn't happen in their own back yard.
susie


89 posted on 10/07/2005 5:39:53 AM PDT by brytlea (All you need as ID to vote in FL is your Costco card...)
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To: indcons; PhiKapMom; hispanarepublicana; Rte66

Tulsa World's latest leftist soft-serve apologia regarding the OU bombing. Calls it a 'suicide' throughout as though that were a known fact. I'll also post their editorial from this morning's edition calling for better mental health services to help depressed people like Hinrichs.

Student recounts talk with worker

OU officials deny Joel Henry Hinrichs III ever tried to enter the stadium before the bomb went off.
NORMAN -- An incident related by a ticket taker at Saturday's OU-Kansas State game raises questions about whether a student who died in a suicide explosion tried to gain entrance to Oklahoma Memorial Stadium.

But University of Oklahoma officials continue to deny that Joel Henry Hinrichs III tried to enter the stadium before dying about 100 yards away.

OU student Adam Smith said Thursday that he was approached as he was leaving the stadium Saturday by a ticket taker from Gate 6 who wanted to know what had happened.

Smith said he told the gate worker that there had apparently been an explosion outside the stadium and someone had been blown up.

"He gave me a wide-eyed look, and said: 'Oh, that's really strange,' " Smith said. The ticket taker recounted that a young man who looked strange and was wearing a backpack that looked full tried to get into the stadium.

However, when he was asked to open his backpack, "the guy didn't say a word and sprinted away," Smith said he was told.

Vice President of Communications Catherine Bishop said OU officials have "been assured that there is no validity to the Gate 6 rumor." Bishop said the story has been checked out by the university's athletic department.

Meanwhile, the FBI continued to have no new comments on the case Thursday.

Hinrichs, a 21-year-old, third-year engineering student described by his father as a loner and a depressed and troubled son, died Saturday in what officials have called a suicide explosion that occurred during the second quarter of the OU-Kansas State football game. The explosion was sizeable enough to leave a large burned-out area surrounding a park bench in front of a campus building, prompting concern from the public about what would have happened if the blast had occurred inside the stadium amid a crowd of 84,000 fans.

Hinrichs' roommate was Fazil Cheema, a student from Pakistan. Law enforcement officials late Saturday came to the Parkview Apartments complex where the pair lived, located Cheema at a neighboring apartment, then interviewed him and about a half-dozen others, who are Muslims. However, spokesmen for the local Muslim community say Cheema himself is not a practicing Muslim.

An OU instructor in Arab languages whose native country is Egypt said Thursday that he was among the small group of Muslims handcuffed by Norman police and led to FBI agents, who questioned him for about two hours early Sunday morning.

Instructor Hossam Barakat said Norman police were "really aggressive," but FBI agents were polite and apologized for having to interview Barakat and the others gathered at one of the units of Parkview Apartments.

Hinrichs and Cheema lived in a nearby unit, and Cheema was at the neighboring apartment when police arrived. Cheema has moved from the Parkview Apartments to another apartment in Norman, acquaintances say, but Cheema cannot be reached.

Barakat and others are concerned that the OU explosion could be unfairly connected to the Muslim community. Barakat said he does not know Cheema very well. Members of the Islamic Society of Norman say that Cheema is not a Muslim and does not attend the mosque.

"Cheema was an atheist who was angry with God because he had lost much of his hearing," said Tariq Alzoubi, who noted many international students especially from the Mideast region are reluctant to talk about the case.

The Muslims who practice at the Islamic Society of Norman emphasize that they have never seen Hinrichs at the mosque.

In a letter being sent to students and parents, OU President David Boren said he has been "assured that law enforcement officials including federal officers have found no evidence of a conspiracy involving others which creates an ongoing threat to our community."

"We believe that we should not judge others or jump to conclusions about others on the basis of color, race, gender, economic status or freely exercised religious beliefs," Boren said in the letter made public Thursday.

Mick Hinton (405) 528-2465
mick.hinton@tulsaworld.com


90 posted on 10/07/2005 6:09:33 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: JustaCowgirl; PhiKapMom; hispanarepublicana; Rte66; LibertyRocks
Tulsa World's latest leftist soft-serve apologia regarding the OU bombing. Calls it a 'suicide' throughout as though that were a known fact. I'll also post their editorial from this morning's edition calling for better mental health services to help depressed people like Hinrichs.

The liberals are trying their best to quash this story. The fact that they control the media helps them a lot. These anti-national maroons should be tried for treason. Thanks for the posting, JustaCowgirl. I'll post it as a separate story if you haven't done so already.
91 posted on 10/07/2005 6:15:24 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: indcons

I didn't post it separately, indcons. Feel free to do it.

I can't find an online version of the editorial. I'll keep looking.

I agree totally about the liberals trying to put down this story and deny and discredit anything about it that doesn't fit their agenda.


92 posted on 10/07/2005 6:23:30 AM PDT by JustaCowgirl
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To: JustaCowgirl

If you are a print subscriber, JustaCowgil, this link may be useful: http://www.tulsaworld.com/Opinion.asp

Check out the first link ("What Ifs"?)


93 posted on 10/07/2005 6:31:12 AM PDT by indcons (Please FReepmail PhiKapMom and Indcons if you want on/off the Norman Bombing ping list.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Doogie gone bad?

94 posted on 10/07/2005 6:32:58 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
God, I hope some "crazy" person doesn't wound or kill a future tight end NFL caliber football player. The Bears really need one some.

There, fixed it.

95 posted on 10/07/2005 8:45:26 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: MikeinIraq

I guess I've got to admit that Peterson is a good RB, and he could have been ours! Oh well, at least we've got Jammal Charles... This is the year! Hook 'em!


96 posted on 10/07/2005 9:26:05 AM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (I'd never question a DUmmie's patriotism. Even after 14 years, they're still loyal to the USSR.)
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To: fatima
It's not an accident that the two aircraft which hit the World Trade Center were spaced far enough apart for the news crews to set up and record the second strike on the south tower.

I think that gives the terrorists a bit too much credit. They were after all dependent on the vageries of the Air Traffic Control system and the normal airline schedule problems.

The military would love to control science, but the very filtering process that generates career officers precludes a large degree of the independent thought necessary for inovation

What in the heck does that mean. By "science", I assume you mean technical information and such things as "troop movements", "Logistics preparations" and so forth. Those are properly controlled, and I don't know what independent thought has to do with it. They can't be completely controlled because so much technology is "dual use", with much modern military technology built on stuff designed for the civilian marketplace, and with an open society, or even a closed one, disguising the movement of large numbers of troops and equipment is pretty impossible.

BTW, you don't know many career officers, do you? They exhibit just as wide a variance in independence of thought as any other group of professionals, at least in my experience. The selection process does tend to favor "Organization Man", but the same can be said of those in upper ranks of corporate management.

Kinetic energy includes potential kinetic energy, and kinetic energy does work. Work can counteract the second law of thermodynamics or it can apply the second law of thermodynamics, but it cannot be legislated out of existence.

As an engineer, I have to say that the attempt at circumlocution via analogy has failed to communicate anything. It also has displayed a remarkable ignorate of terminology. Words mean things, and the two terms kinetic energy and potential energy describe different concepts. Kinetic energy does not include potential energy. One can be converted into the other, but they are not the same. KE is the energy contained in a moving body by virtue of its motion. PE is energy of position in a field of some kind. Water above a dam, a projectile or aircraft at some altitude, both in a gravitational field. Shoot straight up, the bullet has no (relative) PE, but lots of KE as it exits the barrel, at the highest point it has no KE, since for an instant it's not moving, but now has lots of PE because it's higher than it started. The process reverses as it falls.

97 posted on 10/07/2005 1:48:24 PM PDT by El Gato
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I hope you enjoyed the game as much as I did. Probably more... I missed most of the second half because it got so bad that they dropped national coverage to go to the Minnesotta-Michigan game.

Hook 'em...
98 posted on 10/08/2005 8:00:31 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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One out of the last six ain't too bad.


99 posted on 10/09/2005 4:29:22 PM PDT by oursacredhonor
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