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To: dangus; lupie; Chili Girl
What do you expect from a church named PC-USA?

Have you tried a PCA (Presbyterian Church of America) or Orthdox Presbyterian church? You won't find any of that nonsense in either one of them.

If your Pastor is using the Father-Mother term - RUN AWAY!

I have not been back to church since the "Father-Mother" incident. I e-mailed the pastor about it, and he said that he was using "a new book of prayers that seeks use more inclusive language. We...are...attempting to be more balanced than the steady drone of He, Him, Father, Mankind and seek language that causes us to think of God in ways that are "outside the box" and thereby, hopefully, enlarge our vision of who our God is".

It is hard to leave a church after many years. It was in the adult Bible study class there that I learned much of the scriptures, and went from being a quasi-believer to one who totally believes the scriptures (the real ones, anyway). I think the first clue something was wrong was when our Bible study class watched a tape with a "new exciting minister"-Tony Campolo! We had jsut studied all of Paul's letters, and this guys (in the tape) was going on about how we in the Church place too much emphasis on "belief", and not enough on "works". He said stuff like "How can Gandhi not have been a Christian?", and so on.

I need to find us a new church, but it is going to be tought to pry my wife away, as she has been active in the choir for a number of years (we were married there in 1987). Our church has swung this way before, but it swung back. However, in the "progressive" times we live in, I doubt it will this time.

BTW, the pew Bibles are still NSRV, but I usually have a NASB with me.

81 posted on 10/07/2005 10:12:11 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte (Meadows Place, TX- "Tom DeLay Country")
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To: Sans-Culotte
BTW, the pew Bibles are still NSRV

I prefer the Old SRV.


92 posted on 10/07/2005 10:32:06 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: Sans-Culotte
We...are...attempting to be more balanced than the steady drone of He, Him, Father, Mankind and seek language that causes us to think of God in ways that are "outside the box" and thereby, hopefully, enlarge our vision of who our God is".

Oh good grief! If you REALLY want to "enlarge your vision" of who God is, tell the pastor to take a long months long meditative stroll through all of the Psalms and the last few chapters in Job. Most likely you will do as Job did - put his hand over his mouth (in a posture of repentance - "oh - what did I do!) When I started attending my church, they were finishing up a years long sermon series on every single Psalm. I wanted them to start all over because I missed most of it. ;)

It is hard to leave a church after many years.

Yes, it is. It is very hard. I too had to leave the church where the adublt Bible study class (and the sermons) is where I really learned to love the Word and trust in them and not man's words. But nonsense crept in, little by little. Finally, many many people left (and are still leaving - after about 7 yrs) - some who had spent their entire married life there, raised kids and their grandkids in the church. Or were retired pastors serving as visitations pastors, all sorts of people who had been there for years. It had once been one of the most solid biblical churches around of its type. But the bottom line is - whom do you choose to serve today - God, or man? It may be that your leaving would cause others to see that something is wrong. And, you are the spiritual head of the household - you will be held accountable more than your wife.

Both the PCA and OP broke off from the PC-USA for the same basic reasons. A dear friend of mine who is 86 left the PCUSA for the PCA when her son did his research and showed her exactly what the PCUSA really believes. And it ain't pretty.

97 posted on 10/07/2005 10:58:58 AM PDT by lupie
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