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Posted on 10/11/2005 4:07:11 AM PDT by mlc9852
MONDAY, Oct. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Head to the American Museum of Natural History's Web site, and you'll see the major draw this fall is a splashy exhibit on dinosaurs.
And not just any dinosaurs, but two-legged carnivorous, feathered "theropods" like the 30-inch-tall Bambiraptor -- somewhat less cuddly than its namesake.
The heyday of the theropods, which included scaly terrors like T. rex and velociraptor, stretched from the late Triassic (220 million years ago) to the late Cretaceous (65 million years ago) periods.
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I like those thoughts. I think this also applies: (1CR 2:9) But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. Trying as hard as my pea brain can, there is no way to imagine what good things God has planned for us.
I feel bad for the evolutionist
I can't understand how they can be so arrogant! They're 40, 50, maybe 60 years old and they want to match brain power with GOD. He's eternal and knows the thoughts in their heads before they think them. I believe they have a case of: (Jer 17:9)The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I have asked this of others on these threads, but I have never received an answer.
I do archaeology in the western US. I have tested many sites, with good dating (not just Carbon-14 but several other methods). A number of these sites span the 3,000-5,000 year range, but have no evidence of a flood. The soil layers are intact and show a continuous record of human presence, along with faunal remains and lots of other evidence across the 3,000-5,000 year span. In otherwords, no flood!
Where do you think I am going wrong? (Please be specific.)
Find a book called the BIBLE, ask the HOLY SPIRIT to help increase your faith, and study BIBLE diligently. If your are sincere, GOD WILL allow you to understand what you are now not able to understand.
If you want miracles from ME, sorry, I'm just a mortal man.
I have provided a case in which the global flood, in which you apparently believe, did not, in the best judgement of scientists, occur.
Fine. No problem. But you at least admit your belief comes from religion. That's more than a lot of folks on these threads admit. And I do thank you for the reply.
I think this is the exact place where many of us disagree. I base what I know on science, subject to change with new data. You base your belief on religion. We're OK so far.
The problem for me comes with the attempt to insert religion into the schools under the guise of ID. To do so, someone has to contradict the example I cited, and thousands of other examples in this and other fields.
Anyway, at least you are honest in this post and where you are coming from. I do appreciate it.
Oh, don't be so sure of that.
See Luk 16:19, There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
While body of the rich man and Lazarus were buried, their spirit/souls remained conscious in some dimension/place/new location. They could think, feel, see, understand. One part of this location was for the wicked waiting judgment. The other portion was for those individuals who would be bodily resurrected at some future time (wedding supper of the LAMB). There is a divide between the two places that can't be crossed. Once a person dies the opportunity to repent is past and your eternal destiny is fixed. The rich man was now concerned about his brothers still living on earth. Abraham said they should listen to Moses and the prophets (The Old Testament). The rich man seems to imply that his brothers were not concerned with Moses and the prophets. He suggests sending Lazarus back from the dead to shock his brothers into believing. However, Abraham understanding the wickedness of this family, knew that even the miracle of a bodily resurrection of Lazarus wouldn't make these brothers repent.
Remember, this was told by Jesus and Luke doesn't say this was told as a parable. I think JESUS was telling about an actual event (JESUS being both GOD and man would know). So, if a person has placed their faith in JESUS having died for their sins, as I have, then I KNOW what happens after I die and where I spend eternity.
Thanks for your time.
Back in the fifties when I was in grade school, Christian religion was present in schools I went to. There were murders then, robberies took place and there were bad people among us. Over all though, it was not a bad time to be a child and I credit Christianity for that.
The contrast between then and now is mind warping.
Today Christianity ist verboten. JESUS can not be mention for fear of the ACLU and others. I am amazed at the garbage and filth that todays children see on a daily basis. I don't see that stuff is leading us to a better world. In fact, this is the only evolution I believe in, downward evolution of our civilization.
Anyway, at least you are honest in this post and where you are coming from. I do appreciate it.
Thanks, I wish you success in your research.
Popcorn is-a-poppin', just waitin' for the denouement PLACEMARKER.
That's what you are, until you depart from North America. Then we'll say that you are ex-continent.
Then why debate with them? There is a saying: "Never debate a fool....he'll bring you down to his level and beat you with experience."
Back in the fifties when I was in grade school, Christian religion was present in schools I went to. There were murders then, robberies took place and there were bad people among us... I credit Christianity for that.
"Verily I say unto you ... it came to pass that ... both the daughters of Lot were with child by their father ... go and do thou likewise."Note to abuse-button pushers: the foregoing is a joke.
It depends on the reason for debating. If you think we debate to convince our opponents, you are wrong. Most of us have been here long enough to have gotten over that illusion.
Most of us debate to demonstrate to lurking enemies of FR that some of us understand biology. It is sad when the opponents of evolution can't even describe correctly what they oppose.
Since the CBS/Rather affair, FR has lots of enemies in the mainstream media. I personally don't want to see FR dismissed as easily as we dismiss DU -- a bunch of ignorant, partisan hacks who cannot tolerate substantive debate.
"The number of intermediate varieties, which have formerly existed on the earth, must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic change; and this, perhaps is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be used against my theory." Charles Darwin, The Origin of Species, 1859.
The gaps go to the heart of Darwinian orthodoxy. Darwin posited a continuum of micro changes over vast time spans. A continuous system not a discontinuous system.
If it can be demonstrated scientifically that the evolution of life is in fact discontinuous and not continuous, then Darwin is falsified.
Science has already falsified Creationism of the Morris-Gish variety. However Punctuated Equilibrium (PE) and Intelligent Design (ID), are still in play.
PE has the advantage in that it doesn't require an intelligent agent but has a problem with the mechanism of change. Very quick jumps between species are required. Jumping genes anyone?
ID has the same advantage that PE has (no problem with the fossil record) but posits an intelligent agent as the mechanism for change. It has the disadvantage in that the intelligent agent may be beyond the capabilities of science to identify.
Dear (Stone Mountain),
I am writing in response to your question about an on-line forum. The Boston Museum of Science does believe teaching evolution is very important. We are just in the process of opening a new exhibit on the topic. I am a bit confused by the discussion since first, I assure you that our educators are more able to support the Museum's position and second, we do not give tours. I would like to continue this discussion with you, but perhaps you can give me some more information. I have reviewed the on-line discussion and see that near the end the original poster identifies our museum as the one in question. Some of his statements, however, make me wonder if he was correct in this identification.
Sincerely, Mike Alexander Manager of Public Programs
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