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A House Divided: Manufacturing In Crisis
IndustryWeek ^ | Tuesday, November 01, 2005 | Doug Bartholomew

Posted on 10/13/2005 9:28:50 AM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Hank Rearden
Perhaps union thugs who demand a hell of a lot of money..

What part about only 15% of workers in manufacturing belong to unions don't you understand. Unions didn't bust small manufacturing as much as cheap foreign labor did. Big Labor has moved on to the permanent jobs of government employees, where the taxpayer will become the unions victim and the new "GM".

21 posted on 10/13/2005 10:11:57 AM PDT by elbucko
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To: ex-snook
Multinational corporations who no longer consider themselves American should be considered foreigners

My guess is that it's American capital (money) which dominates the largest and most powerful multi-nationals...and that the principal function of the United States government is to protect that money and its owners.

I haven't seen any stats to prove or disprove this assertion. But such stats must exist.

22 posted on 10/13/2005 10:21:24 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: Eagles Talon IV
The move to cheaper overseas labor was seeded by the unions greed.

Actually, that trend was initiated by post-WWII government policy as part of the Cold War strategy to rebuild our allies and block the spread of communism. Unfortunately, the transnational corporations that helped us successfully pursue that goal have now found it profitable to cooperate with communist nations, and assist them in plundering and undermining our peaceful prosperity.

23 posted on 10/13/2005 10:22:10 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: elbucko

All unions must die, especially those of government parasites.


24 posted on 10/13/2005 10:24:23 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
Perhaps the union members would like to take a 90% cut in wages and benefits? Didn't think so, nor should they be expected too, but the unions incessant demands for more and more have caused the dollars needed to produce things to go elsewhere so that more product can be mfg for those same dollars.

I recently read that the average hourly expense for unionized workers at Delphi was $65/hour when you include wages, pensions, and health insurance.

Of course Delphi just went chapter 11.

25 posted on 10/13/2005 10:27:07 AM PDT by mc6809e
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To: liberallarry
and that the principal function of the United States government is to protect that money individual rights. That means the rights of the lowliest citizen, and not the so-called rights of consumers which is what the "free traders" pushing for the demise of the American manufacturing sector will tell you.
26 posted on 10/13/2005 10:33:04 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: elbucko; Steven W.; Mase; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy
...your skill can and will be learned by a willing intellect in an Asian country....

People say that because it seems to happen in their imaginations.  It does not happen in real life.  If it did, then we'd see US unemployment rise along with soaring foreign wages.  Reality is high US employment with increasing US wages and wealth.

27 posted on 10/13/2005 10:33:39 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: TXBSAFH
There are not many American companies left, most are multinationals

I guess this depends on how you define multinational. I'll assume, for the sake of argument, you are referring to the major multinational corporations that are very large. These companies have offices, factories or branch plants in different countries and have a centralized head office where they coordinate global management.

Now let's look at your statement from the small business perspective. According the the SBA, in 2002 there were 22.9 million small businesses in the U.S. Of that number 17.2 million were sole proprietorships (roughly equivalent to nonemployers) and 5.7 million have employees.

Small businesses, as defined by the SBA, have less than 500 employees. Not exactly what you meant by multinational or transnational corporation is it? Lets look at how important these small businesses are to our economy:

SBA Office of Advocacy

It's bad enough that you characterize American based multinationals as un-American. However, It's requires total ignorance to believe that there are not many American companies left. I think you need to find a new bogeyman.

Our economic success is driven by the search for profits. Any businessman not loyal to making a profit does no one any favors and will not be in business long. To suggest that these millions of business owners would sell out their country for that profit is reprehensible. I know more than a few vets who own these kinds of businesses who would love to give you a quick impersonal lecture on exactly where their loyalties lie.

28 posted on 10/13/2005 10:48:03 AM PDT by Mase
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To: Willie Green

What is your answer to this "problem" as you see it?


29 posted on 10/13/2005 11:09:04 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: Steven W.
frankly I'm glad I don't have to slave away in a steel mill for mere pennies on the dollar paid these days to white collar workers. I guess if you're brain-dead and without any worthwhile skill

This is part of the problem too..manufacturing jobs are not treated with respect and so our brightest kids don't aspire to them. Who reading this now can make a gear and would work hard to learn the math and how to operate the machines to do so? If you knew what a tool and die maker really did, I'm sure the words brain dead would never come to mind to describe such a person.

It's scary to think about the death of manufacturing in the US. Who is going to make the machines needed for medical or defense research? This industry is married to and vital to our country's ability to remain competitive in those areas. It shouldn't just be given away for profit for some company today.

How can a small US company remain afloat when competing with a foreign worker with far fewer government protections and a vastly smaller cost of living?
30 posted on 10/13/2005 11:11:14 AM PDT by KPfromDerryNH
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To: hedgetrimmer
the principal function of the United States government is to protect that money individual rights

I was trying to describe reality, not theoretical constitutional obligations. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

31 posted on 10/13/2005 11:23:13 AM PDT by liberallarry
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To: liberallarry

I understand. I think its important for all of us to say that the principle function of government is to protect individual rights, over and over again, so that Americans won't ever forget.


32 posted on 10/13/2005 11:25:34 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Mase
Nice rundown. 

I was at a loss as to where to begin in the face of all these 'feelings' about the market place.  Mushy feelings can be just fine in the bedroom, but in the market we need a hard clear reality.

33 posted on 10/13/2005 11:27:22 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Eagles Talon IV; Willie Green; ex-snook; hedgetrimmer
What is your answer to this "problem" as you see it?

That's the key. 

We can blow off anyone saying "U.S. manufacturing, large and small, is in a deep decline," but when they say "and something needs to be done about it" we want to know just what kind of "something" that we're getting into.

34 posted on 10/13/2005 11:36:48 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Eagles Talon IV
What is your answer to this "problem" as you see it?


35 posted on 10/13/2005 11:37:08 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: expat_panama
"What is your answer to this "problem" as you see it?"

Second Willie's comments in #35. Also redo trade agreements. This problem reached roaring proportions when Bush/Clinton made China permanent favorite trading partner. With this kind of government protection, the multinationals took a fast boat to China. So that's a starting point.

Successful trade relationships have to be reciprocal. We buy from you, you buy from us. This implies a much closer trade differential. And I don't mean exporting factories. If we are not making product for export [and not 'intellectual property'] that's another starting point, let's produce.

Also vote out incumbents who are unwilling to redo these unbalanced trade agreements.

36 posted on 10/13/2005 12:06:32 PM PDT by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
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To: Willie Green
Levy 10~15% tariff on all imported goods.

Raise import taxes

Restrict multinational corporate political contributions and lobbying.

Punish businesses that sell overseas.

37 posted on 10/13/2005 12:11:33 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Willie Green
Tort reform

What information do you have on the effect of law suits on any finished goods?

Levy 10~15% tariff on all imported goods.

Nutso, trade wars will bring about a worldwide depression. Ever hear of Smoot Hawley?

Reduce corporate income tax.

How then do you propose to make it mandatory they pass these savings on to customers?

Reduce government social spending, increase investment in productive infrastructure.

Which party will be able to reduce social spending as necessary to bring about the results you want and remain in power?

Restrict multinational corporate political contributions and lobbying.

So what you are saying here is that the politicians are not corrupt it is the MONEY that is FORCING them to pass these trade deals?

Delphi has just filed for bankruptcy. The average cost per employee including benefits is in the area of $65.00 per hour. Nothing you have mentioned will come close to making this nation competitive with one who pays its workers $1.00 per hour with NO benefits. Some of what you said will bring the world economy to its knees and at that point we won't be concerned about American mfg or any other mfg for that matter because there will be none.

38 posted on 10/13/2005 12:11:46 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: ex-snook
I do thank you for saying what you want.  Believe it or not-- we agree on most things-- I did like most of post 35.  It's a bad habit of mine to ignore the majority that I like and focus on the small part I can complain about.

It's just that I get in such a sour mood when I'm looking at higher taxes and big government control.   I got feelings too I guess.

39 posted on 10/13/2005 12:18:03 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: elbucko

Boy, you're sure right on THAT statement!

Here in my little Southern Oregon town of some 17,000, the newly-hired city manager is being paid $110,000 a year, plus he gets two months of sick leave and a $30,000 a year HOUSING allowance!

Plus, for many years, all county managers were automatically given nine weeks vacation a year, after one year's service, and they had the right to sell half the vacation time back to the county.

And we are a supposedly broke county, so much so that the sheriff is talking about halting all sheriff's patrols and keeping only the jail duties.

Incredible...and if you mulitply that extravagent spending on government employees across the country, and you get the idea why government keeps raising taxes and is getting more corrupt...

Ed


40 posted on 10/13/2005 1:17:52 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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