Skip to comments.Heck NO! on issues 2, 3, 4 & 5 (Ohio)
Posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by TonyRo76
So...I was checking out the website of this "Reform Ohio Now" crowd that's pushing ballot initiatives next month, namely Issues 25. Their website describes them as "a non-partisan group, is working with thousands of volunteers across the state to pass these reforms."
Fair enough. But I didn't really understand the actual issues. Their website describes the issues thus:
Hmmm...seemed a little fishy. Then I went to their "donate" page, and finally discovered who they're afraid of:
- Issue 2: Makes it easier to vote by allowing all Ohioans to vote by mail
- Issue 3: Helps stop the influence of big money in elections by greatly reducing campaign contributions.
- Issue 4: Stops the politicians from drawing their own legislative districts and puts an Independent Commission in charge of this process.
- Issue 5: Places a bi-partisan Board of Supervisors in charge of Ohio's elections, instead of a partisan official who backs candidates and takes sides in elections.
Aha!!! Yeah, those eeeeee-vil Christian pastors and churchgoers. What-the-heck ever! That's all I needed to know. The "radical religious right"?! Hey, I resemble that remark! ;-)
Reform Ohio Now is under attack from powerful opponents who want to protect the status quo... We're also under assault by the radical religious right. Across the state, hundreds of "Patriot Pastors" are mobilizing their churchgoers to try to stop us.
Anyone frightened by the "radical religious right" in my opinion, deserves to lose BIG at the ballot box. Ohio FReepers, please join me in voting NO! on these wackos and their issues.
All the best! :-)
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I simply read what issue 2 planned to do and that was enough for me to oppose it and all the others. Issue 2 would allow voter fraud, something the Democrats love to do! And I felt if folks can muster the energy to go to the store when they needed to, then they can muster the energy to get off their butts and vote!
BTW, here's a website opposing Reform Ohio Now called Protect Your Vote:
Well, from what description you provided, issue 4 seems to be OK.
From the Protect Your Vote website:
Argument Against Issue 4
First, the amendment would remove from the control of Ohio voters the power to establish districts for the Ohio General Assembly and the U.S. Congress, by abolishing the role of elected public officials in these important tasks. The proposed amendment would place this power in the hands of a new commission that is made up of 5 political appointees. Two of the commission members would be selected by judges and the others may be chosen by lot. The members of the commission would not be required to meet any minimum level of qualifications. Once appointed, the commissioners would serve for an indefinite period of time, and would never be accountable to Ohio voters.
Second, the proposed amendment would grant the commission virtually unlimited power to spend Ohio tax dollars, with essentially no control by Ohio voters or other state leaders. No other state commission has this extraordinary spending power.
Third, the proposed amendment would remove the current protection in the Ohio constitution that prevents the dilution of your vote. The proposed amendment would also delete from the Ohio Constitution the provisions designed to prevent gerrymandering, and would permit the creation of legislative districts that break up communities and neighborhoods.
Finally, the proposed amendment would remove from the Ohio Constitution the authority of Ohio's courts to review the commission's activities. Therefore, unlike all other Ohio public officials, political subdivisions, boards, commissions, and agencies, Ohio citizens would have virtually no ability to challenge the actions of this elected commission in Ohio's courts. The commission should not be uniquely unaccountable and placed above the law.
That doesn't sound OK to me!
You're gonna need a catchier slogan than: "Heck NO! on issues 2, 3, 4 & 5".
Something like: "It's all POO and JIVE vote NO on 2 thru 5!!".
I would vote in favor of the Independent Commission for redistricting (Issue 4) and definitely hope that one passes, just like I support Prop 77 on redistricting in California. We need something like that here in NC too. Too bad initiatives have to go through the General Assembly here..
You mean an "Independent" Comission like the 9-11 Comission that allowed a direct material witness, Jamie Gorlic, stay as a Comissioner despire her clear conflict of intrest? Sorry these"Comissions" are nothing more then an attempt to insalate the decision makers from the public. A Leislator has to go back to the people and defend his/her actions in an election. A "Comission" is accountable to no one. Sorry BAD idea.
If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that there's no such thing as a "non-partisan" group. If politics plays even the tiniest role in an organization's function, then it's beyond question that almost everyone involved is going to be on the same side of the ideological fence.
Yep. If the scum who supports these propositions are scared of Christians and conservatives, then obviously the propositions themselves are dishonest and are designed to somehow help the secular-socialist left steal elections. Vote "no" on all of them.
I used to live in Ohio and own property there. I will advise my chirrun to vote NO on 2,3,4,5.
3,4 and 5 don't look that bad to me. I'd even take 1 over paperless machines.
Need an edit function, make that 2. Paperless voting is the line in my book. Any candidate that supports it won't be getting my vote so it looks like Blackwell can take a hike.
Makes it easier to vote . . .
Can someone please explain to me what is so hard about voting? You go to the site, show a valid picture ID, and vote! What's the problem?
These are news releases from Protect Your Vote:
I agree. Once the good people of OHIO realize George "Insider Trading" Soros is behind the redistricting, it will remind them of the fools from England, The Guardian, Twits like Actress Hillary swank, and other out of staters, whom tried to bully them in 2004. We need commercials against this with pictures of Soros.
I heard some lady on the radio who called in, I can't remember what show, but she was saying this is a Soros & dem backed group set up to try to change the law's here in Ohio, so they could make it easier for them to steal elections here in the future.
Remember? The dems tried every dirty tactic they could pull out of their hats to try to steal the last Ohio election. But Ken Blackwell put the breaks on every one of their dirty tricks.
The dems are trying to set up another run at stealing the next Ohio election. They think we are the state that will put them into power. They want to change our law's so no Ken Blackwell honest type elected officals can stop them.
We have to watch out for them to try any and every dirty trick like this that they can think of. So I'm voting "NO" to the dems changing our laws!!
If you had any questions about the true motivations behind the so-called "Reform Ohio Now" campaign (State Issues 2, 3, 4 and 5), look no further than this blog post by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan):
Victory in these measures will lend momentum nationally, will provide Democrats up to 6 six new Congressional seats in the 2006 elections, and could help restore a Democratic majority to Congress. As many have noted, this is the most important election of the year.
This from the guy who used Ohio's 2004 presidential election to grandstand on unfounded allegations of "massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies... caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell..." (Conyers Report)
Those claims have already been debunked by the media, and Conyers has been accused by fellow Democrat Bill Anthony, chair of the Franklin County board of elections and the Franklin County Democratic Party, of heading a "band of conspiracy theorists." (The Columbus Dispatch, 12/9/04) Now he's lobbying for State Issues 2, 3, 4 and 5. That should tell you everything you need to know about this stealth campaign to manipulate Ohio's elections process.
Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. These issues are NOT about making Ohio's elections more "competitive." They're about a Democratic takeover, plain and simple.
LOL! Thanks Frank. I was in a bit of a hurry this morning, but yes...should've probably put my Marketing cap on a little straighter for this one ;)
Lesson well learned. To me, words like "non-partisan" and/or "bi-partisan" always arouse my suspicion.
It's like they're code words for "squishy moderate Republicans working together with hardcore leftist Democrats."
Ha! Good description. That's exactly the impression I got.
Sorry I'm a little late with the ping; had to run out earlier today. But as always, it's the thought that counts ;)
Out current system makes it too difficult for all the poor "disenfranchised" dead people, illegal aliens, convicted felons, drug-addled vagrants, etal. to vote and thereby help Democrats steal elections. This is inherently unfair!
Hi Tony! If I was there I would vote no....then again I could probably do it anyway. LOL.
Great to hear from you Snippy :)
How 'bout dem Buckeyes! Winning ugly, but at least winning.
Go Buckeyes! I just sent you a freepmail. :-)
Issue 2 doesn't sound too bad, as long as they can prevent fraud.
Issue 2: Until provisions are in place to prevent fraud, vote NO!
Issue 3: This is another McCain-Feingold type thing. All it does is empower Soros and his thugs more than the people. Vote NO!
Issue 4: We the people elect the current members of the reapportionment board. We won't after this. Vote NO!
Issue 5: Takes away elections oversight from the Secretary of State, who WE THE PEOPLE elect, to a non-electable "non-partisan" board who are unaccountable to the people. Vote NO!
People are silly to even vote for one of these issues that benefits Soros and his thugs, unions, and the Democrat party.
NE Ohio pings!
Thanks for the ping, Dave. Have been trying to figure out what's on the ballot besides our local, small town infighting between candidates.
Of course I'll vote NO!
But do you think any have a chance of passing??
OK, so you disagree with him on ONE ISSUE and it's all over!
Hope you're happy with Governor Strickland.
We don't show id to vote in Ohio. You just show up say a name and vote. If that name isn't on the voter's list for the precinct, you still get to vote.
Realistically, I don't think so. But I wouldn't wanna get complacent and be unpleasantly surprised, either.
< shudder! >
Thank you for said FReepmail! ;-)
The proposed "non-partisan" boards and "independent" commissions would be about as accountable to voters as the UN or the EU. And yes, incumbent protection à la McCain-Feingold is exactly what #3 sounds like.
If you follow the links Sister_T provided, it becomes clear that Darth Soros himselfwith others of his ilkis actually behind these things!
Anyway, Protect Your Vote now has an ad.
Here's the Link! You can see it if you have Flash enabled or if you don't, just download the MPEG.
Pinging NE Ohio freepers!
Cool! Being a Marketing guy myself, I'm glad to see the good guys going to the airwaves to get this vital message out.
The other problem with the gerrymandering issue is that its main criteria as I understand it is "competitiveness", NOT square, sensible districts. So instead of goofy districts drawn by appointees by political parties, we get goofy districts drawn up to ensure that every district is maximally "competitive."
I am in favor of ending gerrymandering if we get square districts or those encompassed by county lines, but not based on stupid criteria like "competitive."
I am voting NO on all five issues, and that includes Taft's corporate welfare.
What about issue 1? What's it about?
It's supported by business groups and "growth" advocates in the big cities. Proponents are all abuzz about cleaning up "brownfields" and building Ohio's "3rd frontier"whatever the heck that is.
It's also enthusiastically backed by Taft.
All in all, I'd say Issue 1 sounds like a good NO vote, too!
Well, that's what I thought. I told my wife it sounds like a welfare program to me.
To me, the very fact Taft is involved made it immediately suspect. ;)
The very fact that the socialist liberal anti-military, anti-Christian, anti-police, anti-gun, pro-big government, pro abortion, scum want the laws changed at all should be a red flag to all Ohioans and if your not from Ohio be on the look out for these well-groomed socialist issues on your ballots. You know their up to something! They've wrapped it in a nice neat package, to camouflage what the really want,YOUR MONEY = POWER. Socialism is on Americas front door step and the clock is ticking and the window of Demcracy is slowly closing. Good men have to do something against evil!!