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Heck NO! on issues 2, 3, 4 & 5 (Ohio)
Vanity (sorry!) | 10152005 | TonyRo76

Posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by TonyRo76

So...I was checking out the website of this "Reform Ohio Now" crowd that's pushing ballot initiatives next month, namely Issues 2–5. Their website describes them as "a non-partisan group, is working with thousands of volunteers across the state to pass these reforms."

Fair enough. But I didn't really understand the actual issues. Their website describes the issues thus:

Hmmm...seemed a little fishy. Then I went to their "donate" page, and finally discovered who they're afraid of:

Reform Ohio Now is under attack from powerful opponents who want to protect the status quo... We're also under assault by the radical religious right. Across the state, hundreds of "Patriot Pastors" are mobilizing their churchgoers to try to stop us.

Aha!!! Yeah, those eeeeee-vil Christian pastors and churchgoers. What-the-heck ever! That's all I needed to know. The "radical religious right"?! Hey, I resemble that remark! ;-)

Anyone frightened by the "radical religious right" in my opinion, deserves to lose BIG at the ballot box. Ohio FReepers, please join me in voting NO! on these wackos and their issues.

All the best! :-)
TonyRo


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1 posted on 10/15/2005 8:00:27 AM PDT by TonyRo76
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To: TonyRo76
I'm in Ohio and plan to vote NO on all these phony "reform" issues.

I simply read what issue 2 planned to do and that was enough for me to oppose it and all the others. Issue 2 would allow voter fraud, something the Democrats love to do! And I felt if folks can muster the energy to go to the store when they needed to, then they can muster the energy to get off their butts and vote!

BTW, here's a website opposing Reform Ohio Now called Protect Your Vote:

Protect Your Vote

2 posted on 10/15/2005 8:06:11 AM PDT by Sister_T (I'm a former "Freeploader" ... but not anymore! Donate to FreeRepublic!)
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To: TonyRo76

Well, from what description you provided, issue 4 seems to be OK.


3 posted on 10/15/2005 8:08:11 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
Well, from what description you provided, issue 4 seems to be OK.

From the Protect Your Vote website:

Argument Against Issue 4

First, the amendment would remove from the control of Ohio voters the power to establish districts for the Ohio General Assembly and the U.S. Congress, by abolishing the role of elected public officials in these important tasks. The proposed amendment would place this power in the hands of a new commission that is made up of 5 political appointees. Two of the commission members would be selected by judges and the others may be chosen by lot. The members of the commission would not be required to meet any minimum level of qualifications. Once appointed, the commissioners would serve for an indefinite period of time, and would never be accountable to Ohio voters.

Second, the proposed amendment would grant the commission virtually unlimited power to spend Ohio tax dollars, with essentially no control by Ohio voters or other state leaders. No other state commission has this extraordinary spending power.

Third, the proposed amendment would remove the current protection in the Ohio constitution that prevents the dilution of your vote. The proposed amendment would also delete from the Ohio Constitution the provisions designed to prevent “gerrymandering,” and would permit the creation of legislative districts that break up communities and neighborhoods.

Finally, the proposed amendment would remove from the Ohio Constitution the authority of Ohio's courts to review the commission's activities. Therefore, unlike all other Ohio public officials, political subdivisions, boards, commissions, and agencies, Ohio citizens would have virtually no ability to challenge the actions of this elected commission in Ohio's courts. The commission should not be uniquely unaccountable and placed above the law.

That doesn't sound OK to me!

4 posted on 10/15/2005 8:15:35 AM PDT by Sister_T (I'm a former "Freeploader" ... but not anymore! Donate to FreeRepublic!)
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To: TonyRo76

You're gonna need a catchier slogan than: "Heck NO! on issues 2, 3, 4 & 5".

Something like: "It's all POO and JIVE vote NO on 2 thru 5!!".


5 posted on 10/15/2005 8:16:18 AM PDT by frankjr
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To: TonyRo76

I would vote in favor of the Independent Commission for redistricting (Issue 4) and definitely hope that one passes, just like I support Prop 77 on redistricting in California. We need something like that here in NC too. Too bad initiatives have to go through the General Assembly here..


6 posted on 10/15/2005 8:16:47 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: GSlob; TonyRo76
Well, from what description you provided, issue 4 seems to be OK.

You mean an "Independent" Comission like the 9-11 Comission that allowed a direct material witness, Jamie Gorlic, stay as a Comissioner despire her clear conflict of intrest? Sorry these"Comissions" are nothing more then an attempt to insalate the decision makers from the public. A Leislator has to go back to the people and defend his/her actions in an election. A "Comission" is accountable to no one. Sorry BAD idea.

7 posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (I'll try to be NICER, if you will try to be SMARTER!.......Water Buckets UP!)
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To: TonyRo76
Their website describes them as "a non-partisan group"

If there's one thing I've learned in life, it's that there's no such thing as a "non-partisan" group. If politics plays even the tiniest role in an organization's function, then it's beyond question that almost everyone involved is going to be on the same side of the ideological fence.

8 posted on 10/15/2005 8:18:28 AM PDT by Dont Mention the War (Pirro '06 - Save New York!)
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To: TonyRo76

Yep. If the scum who supports these propositions are scared of Christians and conservatives, then obviously the propositions themselves are dishonest and are designed to somehow help the secular-socialist left steal elections. Vote "no" on all of them.


9 posted on 10/15/2005 8:25:28 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TonyRo76

I used to live in Ohio and own property there. I will advise my chirrun to vote NO on 2,3,4,5.


10 posted on 10/15/2005 8:27:58 AM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Dial One.)
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To: GSlob

3,4 and 5 don't look that bad to me. I'd even take 1 over paperless machines.


11 posted on 10/15/2005 8:29:31 AM PDT by krshnbrn
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To: krshnbrn

Need an edit function, make that 2. Paperless voting is the line in my book. Any candidate that supports it won't be getting my vote so it looks like Blackwell can take a hike.


12 posted on 10/15/2005 8:31:42 AM PDT by krshnbrn
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To: Sister_T
"Third, the proposed amendment would remove the current protection in the Ohio constitution that prevents the dilution of your vote. The proposed amendment would also delete from the Ohio Constitution the provisions designed to prevent “gerrymandering,” and would permit the creation of legislative districts that break up communities and neighborhoods."
Unless I'm completely out of phase, I read this current "protection in the Ohio constitution" as the protection of gerrymandering; further, "communities and neighborhoods" sounds to me as an embodiment of identity politics at its worst. This is what gave us such "jewels" as Frank, rangel, JJ jr. and so on. The districts should ideally be created either at random, or maybe by a computer - but without ANY regard to what human politicians would be most interested in, namely the ethnographic and sociological type of the inhabiting voters. Just my 2 cents.
13 posted on 10/15/2005 8:32:56 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: TonyRo76

Makes it easier to vote . . .

Can someone please explain to me what is so hard about voting? You go to the site, show a valid picture ID, and vote! What's the problem?


14 posted on 10/15/2005 8:41:58 AM PDT by synbad600
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To: All
Reform Ohio Now is NOT a movement "of the people, by the people and for the people" of Ohio but a movement of out-of-state special interest groups. Does the name George Soros mean anything to anyone here?

These are news releases from Protect Your Vote:

Who’s Really Giving and Grabbing?

Reform Ohio Now Financed by Wealthy Out-Of-State Liberals in Their Bid to Change Ohio’s Constitution

GROWING CHORUS DEMANDS RON “SHOW OHIO THE MAPS”

15 posted on 10/15/2005 8:46:52 AM PDT by Sister_T (I'm a former "Freeploader" ... but not anymore! Donate to FreeRepublic!)
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To: Sister_T

I agree. Once the good people of OHIO realize George "Insider Trading" Soros is behind the redistricting, it will remind them of the fools from England, The Guardian, Twits like Actress Hillary swank, and other out of staters, whom tried to bully them in 2004. We need commercials against this with pictures of Soros.


16 posted on 10/15/2005 9:09:29 AM PDT by Jack Ian
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To: TonyRo76

I heard some lady on the radio who called in, I can't remember what show, but she was saying this is a Soros & dem backed group set up to try to change the law's here in Ohio, so they could make it easier for them to steal elections here in the future.

Remember? The dems tried every dirty tactic they could pull out of their hats to try to steal the last Ohio election. But Ken Blackwell put the breaks on every one of their dirty tricks.

The dems are trying to set up another run at stealing the next Ohio election. They think we are the state that will put them into power. They want to change our law's so no Ken Blackwell honest type elected officals can stop them.

We have to watch out for them to try any and every dirty trick like this that they can think of. So I'm voting "NO" to the dems changing our laws!!


17 posted on 10/15/2005 9:56:07 AM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Seems Like Our Press Has Turned Against Our Country")
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To: All
This is from the OhioGOP blog:

The Stealth Campaign

If you had any questions about the true motivations behind the so-called "Reform Ohio Now" campaign (State Issues 2, 3, 4 and 5), look no further than this blog post by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan):

Victory in these measures will lend momentum nationally, will provide Democrats up to 6 six new Congressional seats in the 2006 elections, and could help restore a Democratic majority to Congress. As many have noted, this is the most important election of the year.

This from the guy who used Ohio's 2004 presidential election to grandstand on unfounded allegations of "massive and unprecedented voter irregularities and anomalies... caused by intentional misconduct and illegal behavior, much of it involving Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell..." (Conyers Report)

Those claims have already been debunked by the media, and Conyers has been accused by fellow Democrat Bill Anthony, chair of the Franklin County board of elections and the Franklin County Democratic Party, of heading a "band of conspiracy theorists." (The Columbus Dispatch, 12/9/04) Now he's lobbying for State Issues 2, 3, 4 and 5. That should tell you everything you need to know about this stealth campaign to manipulate Ohio's elections process.

Don't be fooled by the rhetoric. These issues are NOT about making Ohio's elections more "competitive." They're about a Democratic takeover, plain and simple.

18 posted on 10/15/2005 10:22:40 AM PDT by Sister_T (I'm a former "Freeploader" ... but not anymore! Donate to FreeRepublic!)
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To: frankjr
» Something like: "It's all POO and JIVE vote NO on 2 thru 5!!".

LOL! Thanks Frank. I was in a bit of a hurry this morning, but yes...should've probably put my Marketing cap on a little straighter for this one ;)

19 posted on 10/15/2005 7:11:24 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
» there's no such thing as a "non-partisan" group

Lesson well learned. To me, words like "non-partisan" and/or "bi-partisan" always arouse my suspicion.

It's like they're code words for "squishy moderate Republicans working together with hardcore leftist Democrats."

20 posted on 10/15/2005 7:14:37 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Lancey Howard
» designed to somehow help the secular-socialist left steal elections

Ha! Good description. That's exactly the impression I got.

21 posted on 10/15/2005 7:15:53 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Badeye; Bikers4Bush; boxerblues; buccaneer81; Buckeye Bomber; CELTICGAEL (Celt); Clintonfatigued; ..

Ohio Ping!


Sorry I'm a little late with the ping; had to run out earlier today. But as always, it's the thought that counts ;)

22 posted on 10/15/2005 7:18:37 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: synbad600
» Can someone please explain to me what is so hard about voting?

Out current system makes it too difficult for all the poor "disenfranchised" dead people, illegal aliens, convicted felons, drug-addled vagrants, etal. to vote and thereby help Democrats steal elections. This is inherently unfair!

</sarc> ;)

23 posted on 10/15/2005 7:25:19 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Sister_T; All

24 posted on 10/15/2005 7:26:03 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76
Hey, I resemble that remark! ;-)

Hi Tony! If I was there I would vote no....then again I could probably do it anyway. LOL.

25 posted on 10/15/2005 7:26:40 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: snippy_about_it
He heh! Indeed...

Great to hear from you Snippy :)

How 'bout dem Buckeyes! Winning ugly, but at least winning.

26 posted on 10/15/2005 7:35:45 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76

Go Buckeyes! I just sent you a freepmail. :-)


27 posted on 10/15/2005 7:45:41 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Fall in --> The FReeper Foxhole. America's History. America's Soul.)
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To: TonyRo76
Issue 4 is virtually identical to a GOP proposal from the ealry 80s that the Dems opposed and managed to defeat.

Issue 2 doesn't sound too bad, as long as they can prevent fraud.

-Eric

28 posted on 10/15/2005 9:10:59 PM PDT by E Rocc (Anyone who thinks Bush-bashing is banned from FR has never read a Middle East thread.)
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To: TonyRo76

Issue 2: Until provisions are in place to prevent fraud, vote NO!

Issue 3: This is another McCain-Feingold type thing. All it does is empower Soros and his thugs more than the people. Vote NO!

Issue 4: We the people elect the current members of the reapportionment board. We won't after this. Vote NO!

Issue 5: Takes away elections oversight from the Secretary of State, who WE THE PEOPLE elect, to a non-electable "non-partisan" board who are unaccountable to the people. Vote NO!

People are silly to even vote for one of these issues that benefits Soros and his thugs, unions, and the Democrat party.


29 posted on 10/16/2005 1:09:38 PM PDT by Columbus Dawg (Go Bucks!)
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To: TonyRo76; conspiratoristo; Pontiac; boxerblues; dubyaismypresident; GOP_Lady; DollyCali; ...

NE Ohio pings!


30 posted on 10/16/2005 1:16:52 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-ElRushbo quote.)
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To: TonyRo76
The surest way to defeat these measures is to get governor Shaft to endorse them.
31 posted on 10/16/2005 1:58:02 PM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Thanks for the ping, Dave. Have been trying to figure out what's on the ballot besides our local, small town infighting between candidates.


32 posted on 10/16/2005 5:38:33 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: TonyRo76

Of course I'll vote NO!

But do you think any have a chance of passing??


33 posted on 10/16/2005 11:02:32 PM PDT by RockinRight (I am beginning to think conservatism is buried somewhere under New Orleans' mud...)
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To: krshnbrn

OK, so you disagree with him on ONE ISSUE and it's all over!

Hope you're happy with Governor Strickland.


34 posted on 10/16/2005 11:04:53 PM PDT by RockinRight (I am beginning to think conservatism is buried somewhere under New Orleans' mud...)
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To: synbad600
Can someone please explain to me what is so hard about voting? You go to the site, show a valid picture ID, and vote! What's the problem?

We don't show id to vote in Ohio. You just show up say a name and vote. If that name isn't on the voter's list for the precinct, you still get to vote.

35 posted on 10/17/2005 1:07:01 AM PDT by FarmerW
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To: RockinRight
» But do you think any have a chance of passing??

Realistically, I don't think so. But I wouldn't wanna get complacent and be unpleasantly surprised, either.

36 posted on 10/17/2005 5:57:45 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: RockinRight
» Governor Strickland

< shudder! >

37 posted on 10/17/2005 5:59:12 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: snippy_about_it

Thank you for said FReepmail! ;-)


38 posted on 10/17/2005 6:05:38 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: Columbus Dawg; Sister_T
Excellent analysis, CD!

The proposed "non-partisan" boards and "independent" commissions would be about as accountable to voters as the UN or the EU. And yes, incumbent protection à la McCain-Feingold is exactly what #3 sounds like.

If you follow the links Sister_T provided, it becomes clear that Darth Soros himself—with others of his ilk—is actually behind these things!

39 posted on 10/17/2005 6:59:36 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76; Columbus Dawg; FarmerW; Las Vegas Dave; All
First time pinging folks so if I missed anyone in this topic from Ohio, sorry!

Anyway, Protect Your Vote now has an ad.

Here's the Link! You can see it if you have Flash enabled or if you don't, just download the MPEG.

40 posted on 10/19/2005 8:11:06 AM PDT by Sister_T (I'm a former "Freeploader" ... but not anymore! Donate to FreeRepublic!)
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To: Sister_T; conspiratoristo; Pontiac; boxerblues; dubyaismypresident; GOP_Lady; DollyCali; ...

Pinging NE Ohio freepers!


41 posted on 10/19/2005 3:30:32 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-ElRushbo quote.)
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To: Sister_T

Cool! Being a Marketing guy myself, I'm glad to see the good guys going to the airwaves to get this vital message out.


42 posted on 10/19/2005 7:16:38 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76

Buckeye Bump!


43 posted on 10/21/2005 10:50:27 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberals-beyond your expectations!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

The other problem with the gerrymandering issue is that its main criteria as I understand it is "competitiveness", NOT square, sensible districts. So instead of goofy districts drawn by appointees by political parties, we get goofy districts drawn up to ensure that every district is maximally "competitive."

I am in favor of ending gerrymandering if we get square districts or those encompassed by county lines, but not based on stupid criteria like "competitive."

I am voting NO on all five issues, and that includes Taft's corporate welfare.


44 posted on 10/25/2005 9:27:55 AM PDT by antipol
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To: TonyRo76

What about issue 1? What's it about?


45 posted on 10/27/2005 12:02:02 PM PDT by sparkomatic (I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. Phil 4:13)
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To: sparkomatic
Issue 1 is a $2 billion jobs and construction bond measure. And of course, bonds = long-term taxpayer debt.

It's supported by business groups and "growth" advocates in the big cities. Proponents are all abuzz about cleaning up "brownfields" and building Ohio's "3rd frontier"—whatever the heck that is.

It's also enthusiastically backed by Taft.

All in all, I'd say Issue 1 sounds like a good NO vote, too!

46 posted on 10/27/2005 1:18:32 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76

Well, that's what I thought. I told my wife it sounds like a welfare program to me.


47 posted on 10/27/2005 1:20:33 PM PDT by sparkomatic (I can do all things through Christ which strengthens me. Phil 4:13)
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To: sparkomatic
He heh...yeah! A welfare program for certain businesses, but not others.

To me, the very fact Taft is involved made it immediately suspect. ;)

48 posted on 10/27/2005 2:14:56 PM PDT by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: TonyRo76

The very fact that the socialist liberal anti-military, anti-Christian, anti-police, anti-gun, pro-big government, pro abortion, scum want the laws changed at all should be a red flag to all Ohioans and if your not from Ohio be on the look out for these well-groomed socialist issues on your ballots. You know their up to something! They've wrapped it in a nice neat package, to camouflage what the really want,YOUR MONEY = POWER. Socialism is on Americas front door step and the clock is ticking and the window of Demcracy is slowly closing. Good men have to do something against evil!!


50 posted on 11/05/2005 12:17:48 AM PST by Mier (Jesus is a Conservative - Aren't the Ten Commandments Conservative Guidelines)
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