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Baby-killing case against daughter shocks dad (Left her baby to die in alley behind a bar)
The Billings Gazette ^ | 10/15/05 | LANCE BENZEL

Posted on 10/16/2005 1:21:23 PM PDT by wagglebee

It's been three years since Terry Ashcraft of Billings last spoke to his daughter, the 21-year-old University of Southern California student accused of leaving her newborn son to die in an alley behind a popular bar in Los Angeles.

So Ashcraft was as shocked as anyone when he learned of the allegations against Holly Ashcraft - a pretty honor roll graduate of West High who reportedly attended USC on a full scholarship.

“If I could say something that would enlighten things, I would do that,” Terry Ashcraft said outside his home Friday. “All I can really say about it is this: I love her. She's one hell of a good kid, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand it.”

Police in Los Angeles say Holly Ashcraft was arrested Wednesday, three days after an anonymous tipster called 911 to report finding the newborn in an alley behind a bar popular with USC students. When officers arrived, they found the child's body lying in a cardboard box next to a trash bin. The boy's umbilical cord was still attached, suggesting a medically unattended birth.

Ashcraft was charged with murder and a felony count of child abuse. If convicted, she would face 25 years to life in prison.

On Thursday, a Los Angeles Superior Court judge raised her bail from $1 million to $2 million, upholding a request by prosecutors who described her as a flight risk.

Jane Robison, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles District Attorney's Office, and police spokesman Officer Jason Lee declined to disclose how police tied Ashcraft to the birth. But police told the owner of the building where the bar was located - and where Ashcraft lived in a second-floor apartment - that she was linked to the case after seeking medical treatment, according to the Los Angeles Times.

The Times also reported that Ashcraft was a full-time student in her third year. She was suspended pending the outcome of the criminal case, the newspaper said.

Ashcraft was scheduled to appear for arraignment Nov. 9.

An attorney representing Ashcraft said people shouldn't rush to judgment.

“A lot of information is yet to come,” Paul Wallin, of the criminal defense firm Wallin and Klarich, said in a telephone interview Friday afternoon. “We're hoping the ultimate result will be a positive one for our client.

Results of an autopsy performed on the child this week will not be available for at least a month, though police said the child was born full-term and alive.

A California law allows mothers to surrender newborns to hospital emergency rooms and some fire stations with no questions asked and no legal repercussions. Montana has a similar law allowing a parent to surrender a newborn baby to emergency services providers, such as hospitals, fire departments or law enforcement agencies. The child is then put up for adoption.

Terry Ashcraft was separated from Holly's mother for some time before they divorced in 2000 or 2001. It's been years since he lived under the same roof with his daughter, whom he described as “very bright, athletic and very upbeat.”

He did not know whether his daughter was pregnant and said he hasn't heard from Holly or her mother, who lives in Washington state, since Holly's arrest. What little he knows about the case has come from monitoring media reports, he said.

“There's so much confusion right now,” Terry Ashcraft said. “I'm confused; there's confusion in Southern California. There's so much going on down there that I don't know about that I just don't want to comment.”

Terry Ashcraft said his home telephone and cell phone had been ringing off the hook on Thursday and Friday, mostly from concerned relatives and friends. He would not be able to visit his daughter for at least two weeks, he said.

Wallin said he had more than 35 media inquiries about the case Friday, including calls from People and Time magazines, “Good Morning America” and “Today.” But Wallin said family members who have come to Southern California to support Ashcraft won't be doing any interviews.

“Everyone should be respectful,” Wallin said. “She has the support of her entire family.”

Wallin and partner Steve Klarich will team up for Ashcraft's defense. The firm has offices across Southern California and has been in business since 1981. Wallin said he has provided legal analysis on MSNBC during high-profile trials, including the recent Michael Jackson trial.


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“If I could say something that would enlighten things, I would do that,” Terry Ashcraft said outside his home Friday. “All I can really say about it is this: I love her. She's one hell of a good kid, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand it.”

His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

1 posted on 10/16/2005 1:21:27 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K

Moral absolutes ping.


2 posted on 10/16/2005 1:22:08 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Most likely a product of either a home where little or no ethical/moral/religious teaching took place, or brainwashed by public schooling or a mix of the two. Now there's a dead baby, along with a woman with a dead conscience. More nightmares to come for this family.


3 posted on 10/16/2005 1:26:08 PM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: wagglebee

How odd. He hasn't seen or spoken to her for three years, yet he feels competent to tell us she's a "good kid." Utter nonsense. This is not worth reading, frankly.


4 posted on 10/16/2005 1:26:11 PM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: wagglebee

His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

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Seriously. She has no excuse, in these days of abortion on demand along with the CA Law of being able to abandon your baby, no strings attached. Yech.


5 posted on 10/16/2005 1:27:03 PM PDT by BamaGirl (The Framers Rule!)
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To: wagglebee
His daughter is not a "good kid," she is a selfish and amoral murderer.

A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell.

My main question is where were her friends? Where were the other adults is her life that had to have noticed her condition? Women under the best of circumstances have often found childbirth a harrowing and painful experience, much more so if a kid was alone and terrified.

There is way more to this story here, and I don't think any of it will reflect well on her friends and family...

6 posted on 10/16/2005 1:27:40 PM PDT by podkane
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To: podkane

She was in college, I'm sure the University of Southern California has a top-notch health clinic with doctors more than capable of delivering a baby. Make any excuse you want, it was her selfishness that caused this, the only compassion I feel is for her murdered child.


7 posted on 10/16/2005 1:31:05 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I said it before and Ill say it again

ONE OF THE WORST THINGS IS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY LOVING AND KIND PEOPLE WHO WANT BABIES AND CANT HAVE EM BUT GARBAGE LIKE THIS CAN PLOP EM OUT

She had an out if she would have just took it to a hospital but she couldnt be bothered...burn the b***h

Next time use some birth control


8 posted on 10/16/2005 1:31:13 PM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: podkane

A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell.

Gee if only there was like hospitals or something she could have went too


9 posted on 10/16/2005 1:32:47 PM PDT by skaterboy (Be good)
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To: wagglebee
She's one hell of a good kid

She's one *itch on her way to hell.

10 posted on 10/16/2005 1:34:45 PM PDT by Alouette (Islam gives terrorism a bad name.)
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To: wagglebee
So Ashcraft was as shocked as anyone when he learned of the allegations against Holly Ashcraft - a pretty honor roll graduate of West High who reportedly attended USC on a full scholarship.

“If I could say something that would enlighten things, I would do that,” Terry Ashcraft said outside his home Friday. “All I can really say about it is this: I love her. She's one hell of a good kid, and I'm puzzled. I don't understand it.”


YAWWWWNNNNN ... Isn't that how they describe the majority of schizophrenic murderers?
Yeah, she's a "good kid" and of course she is brilliant ... an "honor roll student". I suppose I am supposed to be impressed with that. Denial is NOT a pretty thing ... .
11 posted on 10/16/2005 1:35:39 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

Separation of Church and Reality crowd ping.

Let's hear the smarmy skanky liberal jargon again about how
"you can't legislate morality." [IRONY]

12 posted on 10/16/2005 1:36:32 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: MineralMan

"How odd. He hasn't seen or spoken to her for three years, yet he feels competent to tell us she's a "good kid." Utter nonsense. This is not worth reading, frankly."

I missed that ... yeah for three years he had NO time for her. I'm sure he knows her VERY WELL.

LOL!!!


13 posted on 10/16/2005 1:38:35 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: podkane

The compassion should be reserved for the child. The mother deserves condemnation for a brutal act of fanticide.


14 posted on 10/16/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: skaterboy
"A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell."

It only serves to make her all the more despicable. Plenty of opportunity to get help or change her mind. Instead she was all the more determined to get rid of it hoping no one would know.
15 posted on 10/16/2005 1:40:36 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: podkane

She wasn't a kid- she was 21 years old, an adult by any standard. She was in Los Angeles, where she had many options. She could have left the baby at a safe haven, anything. Instead she murdered her newborn baby- how could she do it while holding her own child in her arms, a living, breathing being I will never understand.


16 posted on 10/16/2005 1:42:01 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: wagglebee
Let's see...absent father...amoral, murdering daughter.

Yup...real "human interest" angle here.

17 posted on 10/16/2005 1:43:27 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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To: wagglebee

If he loves her so much, why hasn't he spoken to her in over three years?


18 posted on 10/16/2005 1:45:42 PM PDT by Hildy ( liberals cannot change the present, and cannot effect the future, so they MUST relive the past...)
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To: wagglebee
40 million + murdered since Roe V Wade.... Why would a young person today have a conscience about doing in a baby who would only 'ruin' her life?....

Had she had paid the professional killers to do the pre born child in...she would have no problems...

19 posted on 10/16/2005 1:48:13 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: wagglebee

Just an incredibly sad story for all involved, but this precious baby did NOT have to die in an alley behind a bar, this lady had so many options available to her.


20 posted on 10/16/2005 1:48:52 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (I support President Bush, and I support our troops!!!)
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To: wagglebee
Terry Ashcraft was separated from Holly's mother for some time before they divorced in 2000 or 2001. It's been years since he lived under the same roof with his daughter, whom he described as “very bright, athletic and very upbeat.”

I posted a little piece last night about the bad effects of divorce on kids. As usual, many people who broke up with their spouses jumped up to say that theirs was an exceptional situation and so forth. I expect this guy thought so as well. But it seems to me that it's not all that surprising that the young lady who did this was a girl without a dad in her life.

21 posted on 10/16/2005 1:49:09 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Alouette

A family of bums..............


22 posted on 10/16/2005 1:52:45 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: LWalk18
She wasn't a kid- she was 21 years old, an adult by any standard. She was in Los Angeles, where she had many options. She could have left the baby at a safe haven, anything. Instead she murdered her newborn baby- how could she do it while holding her own child in her arms, a living, breathing being I will never understand.

The first birth is usually the most agonizing, and to be going through it alone must have been completely terrifying. There is often a good deal of blood lost, and if she had no medical attention, she might not have been thinking clearly.

I can't help but think that most of the "burn the witch" crowd posting here are men - who don't have the faintest idea of the physical toll of pregnancy and childbirth on a body. Before modern medicine, childbirth was one of the top killers of women.

This is a tragedy. No woman under the best of circumstances expects to go through childbirth alone. Something else was going on/not going on for woman/girl to have done this.

23 posted on 10/16/2005 1:53:06 PM PDT by podkane
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To: wagglebee; podkane

A horrible case, but I'm inclined to agree that she must have been mixed up. A cool and callow feminist would have had the child comfortably aborted, would have suffered a good deal less herself, and would have been complimented by her friends for her good sense, instead of ending up threatened with jail. If she had aborted it just a day earlier she would have been home free.

It was still a terribly evil thing to do, but I don't see any deliberate or malevolent planning here; more likely a weak upbringing, poor moral education in the public schools, lack of good advice from any of her college friends, an uncaring or possibly unknowing boyfriend, bad influence from the media and entertainment industries, and a horrible decision at the last moment to let her own child die.


24 posted on 10/16/2005 1:54:05 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: podkane

P.S. Out of curiosity, are you Podkane of Mars, or some other podkane? The name rings a bell.


25 posted on 10/16/2005 1:55:33 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

One of my favorite Heinlien novels.. spelling simplified


26 posted on 10/16/2005 1:59:13 PM PDT by podkane
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To: Cicero
It was still a terribly evil thing to do, but I don't see any deliberate or malevolent planning here; more likely a weak upbringing, poor moral education in the public schools, lack of good advice from any of her college friends, an uncaring or possibly unknowing boyfriend, bad influence from the media and entertainment industries, and a horrible decision at the last moment to let her own child die.

No one would argue against that. I think the fault is more in the family and friends around her than "society at large" here. If one has gone through hours of labor, lost significant amounts of blood, it is also not the best condition to be rational. Where were her friends and family?

27 posted on 10/16/2005 2:02:07 PM PDT by podkane
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To: podkane
A little compassion here.. if she had what the article described as a "medically unattended delivery", she was probably in agony for hours, scared out of her mind, and desperate as hell.

I'm not so sure she is all that deserving of sympathy.

USC Student Was Focus of '04 Baby Investigation
L.A. Times - Oct 15, 2005

A 21-year-old USC student charged with her baby's abandonment and death this week also was investigated last year after she arrived at a hospital in downtown Los Angeles appearing to have just given birth but without a baby, according to law enforcement sources close to the case. In that April 2004 investigation, Holly Ashcraft eventually told authorities that the child had been stillborn and that she had disposed of its body on her own, the sources said.

[snip]

The sources and Ashcraft's attorney emphasized that she was never arrested or charged in connection with the incident in 2004.

[snip]

28 posted on 10/16/2005 2:11:01 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: skaterboy
Gee if only there was like hospitals or something she could have went to ...

Good one.

29 posted on 10/16/2005 2:12:40 PM PDT by TheMole
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To: podkane

I am a woman. I have had FOUR children. This woman is an evil, selfish witch. She should go to prison for the rest of her life.

Was she too stupid to call 911? NO. She wanted to be able to get rid of the baby without anyone noticing.


30 posted on 10/16/2005 2:13:00 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Must I use a sarcasm tag?)
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To: wagglebee
"Baby-killing case against daughter shocks dad (Left her baby to die in alley behind a bar)"

Once again...timing is everything - if she'd gone to planned unparenthood she could have had them murder the baby no charge and she'd be scott free.

31 posted on 10/16/2005 2:15:03 PM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: podkane

Read post 28- it looks like this wasn't her first birth at all.


32 posted on 10/16/2005 2:16:34 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: DumpsterDiver
A 21-year-old USC student charged with her baby's abandonment and death this week also was investigated last year after she arrived at a hospital in downtown Los Angeles appearing to have just given birth but without a baby, according to law enforcement sources close to the case. In that April 2004 investigation, Holly Ashcraft eventually told authorities that the child had been stillborn and that she had disposed of its body on her own, the sources said.

Why didn't the authorities investigate instead of taking her word for it? It sounds like she had murdered two babies within two years- with no one realizing that she was pregnant either time.

33 posted on 10/16/2005 2:19:10 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K; john drake; BamaGirl; podkane; skaterboy; Alouette; gpapa; nmh; ...
It seems that this is mmay not be the first time that Holly Ashcraft has murdered a newborn baby.

Report: USC student charged with abandoning newborn also investigated last year

34 posted on 10/16/2005 2:23:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: LWalk18
Why didn't the authorities investigate instead of taking her word for it?

I don't know. The article wasn't very illuminating. Her current attorney is saying, "Regarding that incident, not only was our client not prosecuted for any crime, she wasn't even arrested for any crime…. And no crime was committed."

The police are saying that "they never found a baby's body in the 2004 case, so they could not determine if Ashcraft was telling the truth".

It's a sad story.

35 posted on 10/16/2005 2:33:18 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: wagglebee

She must be seriously disturbed. Don't have time to find it now, but there's another thread stating that last year she also sought medical care after an unattended birth---stating the baby had been stillborn and she had disposed of it.

At least that what the media is reporting.


36 posted on 10/16/2005 2:34:18 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent
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To: wagglebee
Yeah ... she's a "good girl" and brilliant too!


She's been well indoctrinated to be totally self centered with NO moral core whatsoever. And everyone feigns puzzlement ... .
37 posted on 10/16/2005 2:35:16 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: DumpsterDiver

Apparently, too much time had passed (according to the other article posted above) so they didn't look for the body. Still, I know we have medical privacy, but it seems to me that her family were on notice the first time to at least get her some psychiatric help. Instead, she got pregnant nine months later and did the same thing again.


38 posted on 10/16/2005 2:37:13 PM PDT by LWalk18
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To: DumpsterDiver

Uh oh. I didn't know that. It still doesn't strike me as the kind of thing a cold-blooded, malevolent killer would do, but if she has managed to kill TWO babies, then she strikes me as very likely someone with very deep drug or mental problems or some sort of affectless personality unable to distinguish between right and wrong.

It's not unknown for young women in these times to have multiple abortions because they like sex and don't give a damn about the children that sex produces, but to deliver children and let them die, not once but twice, suggests a really depraved or pathological person.


39 posted on 10/16/2005 2:44:54 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Project Cuddle has saved many of these babies from death.

http://www.projectcuddle.org/

How It All Began
Project Cuddle™ is the result of one woman's crusade to help prevent infants from being abandoned. Debbe Magnusen and her husband Dave fostered over 30 drug-exposed babies, while raising two biological children. They eventually adopted five beautiful little ones. Thus,Project Cuddle's™ crisis line was formed from the living room of Debbe's home, with the hope of ending baby abandonment.

On July 8, 1996, the 24 hour toll-free crisis hotline was unveiled to the public. Within 12 hours, Project Cuddle™ received its first crisis call. A frightened young woman called and said "I saw you on TV and I know the trash is bad for the baby. You better figure out what to do with this baby or I'm going to put it in the park." The woman had no prenatal care and assumed she was due in the next week.

With only days to orchestrate a safe and legal alternative to abandonment, Project Cuddle™ was able to retain an attorney, a family wanting to rescue and adopt the baby, as well as an obstetrician, hospital and social counselor. Debbe Magnusen coached this woman through the delivery of a beautiful baby girl. After the baby was delivered into the arms of the adoptive parents, the birth mother said to Debbe. "I feel like I've done something good for the first time." The woman did not break the law, the baby was safe and a rescue couple was overjoyed at having a new daughter in their lives.

Statistics indicate that 57 children are abandoned everyday, that's over 20,000 a year and these are only the ones that are found. Since it's inception, Project Cuddle™ has saved hundreds of babies across the country from the fate of being abandoned, or worse.

Project Cuddle™ was incorporated as a 501 (c)(3) non-profit charity in 1994. A volunteer Board of Directors oversees the organization, which Debbe runs on a day-to-day basis with the assistance of volunteers and a minimal paid staff. Since its founding, Project Cuddle™ has successfully saved hundreds of babies from being abandoned. Project Cuddle™ is committed to helping any pregnant girl or woman regardless of race, creed, religious affiliation, financial status or HIV status.


40 posted on 10/16/2005 2:55:33 PM PDT by littleleaguemom
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Brave New World...

They wanted moral relativism. They got it.


41 posted on 10/16/2005 3:20:46 PM PDT by Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi
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To: skaterboy

My wife and I would love to have children, but it just wasn't meant to be, evidently and unfortunately. It pains us every time we read a story like this.


42 posted on 10/16/2005 3:27:52 PM PDT by kenth (There were only a few thousand hippies marching, but it smelled like half a million.)
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To: LWalk18

But they just don't understand it!

They're SHOCKED and of course standing by her for the second time ... er you're not supposed to know about that.


43 posted on 10/16/2005 3:28:36 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Kermit the Frog Does theWatusi

"They wanted moral relativism. They got it."

They sure did!

This one is an "honor role" student so she excelled in it.


44 posted on 10/16/2005 3:29:37 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: wagglebee

A post-birth abortion....


45 posted on 10/16/2005 3:30:13 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: wagglebee

This gal couldn't be bothered to drop the baby off at a hospital or church. Didn't fit into her plans for a hot night out., I guess.


46 posted on 10/16/2005 3:33:03 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Hildy

Wait and see - maybe he's the biological father of both abandoned babies she had.


47 posted on 10/16/2005 3:40:01 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough
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To: wagglebee
I know a guy who is divorced.

His daughter is a slut, smokes a pack a day and drinks hard when she parties. At 22, she has already had at least 10-15 sexual partners; and he knows all this and yet, "she's a good girl, basically" .

48 posted on 10/16/2005 3:44:42 PM PDT by ikka
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To: ikka

No parent wants to face the fact that they've raised a tramp, but you can't argue with the facts.


49 posted on 10/16/2005 3:51:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: BamaGirl
...in these days of abortion on demand...

The crux of the matter. Say what you will, but when you get right down to it, the disregard of the unborn by the marxist influence in our own government over the past 70 years, coupled with the feminist movement over the past 30 tears has brought this upon us.

Now, this was not an aborted baby, it was born and thrown away to die...anyone surprised by the advancement of the "killer marxist movement" in this country? I, for one, am not and it will get worse....BITS

FMCDH(BITS)

50 posted on 10/16/2005 3:58:45 PM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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