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Some Conservatives Need To Be Taken To The Woodshed (vanity)
Me ^ | 18-October-2005 | Erik Latranyi

Posted on 10/18/2005 8:18:22 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi

It is time to take some conservatives to the woodshed.

With a heavy heart, I write the above after visiting Free Republic this morning.

Why?

Simply our discourse is degenerating. I am dismayed at the amount of name-calling taking place in these pages. I am even more dismayed that this name-calling is being conducted by conservatives against conservatives.

I understand the anger and disappointment stemming from the Miers nomination, but also inclusive of the budget deficit, education department, immigration, etc. These are matters that bother me as well.

Unfortunately, the tone on Free Republic bothers me even more. When conservatives call each other names and friendly disagreement over issues degenerates into those proclaiming to be "real conservatives" versus "phony conservatives" we only bow to our lowest common denominator.

Rush Limbaugh calls this the "conservative crackdown". In many ways he is right (as Rush is so often). Conservatives do not want stealth candidates. We worked hard to win and will continue to work hard to increase our majorities and enact our agenda.

We are proud conservatives and we want to proclaim this from the mountain tops!

We also want those who represent us to be proud as well. We do not want apologies. We do not want stealth. We do not need to hide behind "compassionate conservative" labels.

We are the majority and we will remain the majority as long as we continue to educate the public about what conservatism is and why we demand responsibility from both the individual and the gov't.

However, lately, we are calling each other names.

This is liberal-speak. We do not want to stoop to the level of our enemies. We should not use their tactics, either.

Conservatives use logic and reason to support our ideas. We can disagree without being disagreeable.

We are not doing that, folks!

Too many of us are so caught up lately that we forget how to be civil. If you want to call names and use the F-bomb, go to DU. You will find that language replaces truth and fact everywhere.

And that is what names do, isn't it? Names replace truth and fact.

But we are conservatives. Truth and fact are what got us this far and it will be truth and fact that continue our rise to roll back 80 years of liberalism.

Some of us back President Bush and trust his judgement. Some of us do not. That is OK. That is healthy for our movement.

What is unhealthy for our movement is this name-calling.

Let it stop. Let us debate Harriet Miers over facts and truth. Stop pronouncing yourself a "true conservative" and anybody who backs President Bush a "Bush-Bot". That is liberal-speak.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bohica; bush; bushbot; callawaaahmbulance; conservatives; fakeconservative; holierthanthou; miers; pedantry; poopoohead
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To: Erik Latranyi

Another 'stinkin, bandwidth-wasting vanity!!!!


21 posted on 10/18/2005 8:32:47 AM PDT by johnny7 (“What now? Let me tell you what now.”)
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To: Erik Latranyi
For good or ill, the Republican party has become the "big tent" that the Dems claimed to be for so many years. There are many varieties of conservatives: Social conservatives who don't really give a crap about fiscal issues, fiscal conservatives who don't really give a crap about social issues, small-government conservatives, "little l" libertarian conservatives, Southpark conservatives, evangelical conservatives, etc. Then, you have whole tribes of single-issue conservatives: pro-life, pro-RKBA, illegal immigration, the list goes on.

There really isn't one single definition of "conservative" anymore.

22 posted on 10/18/2005 8:32:56 AM PDT by Terabitten (God grant me the strength to live a life worthy of those who have gone before me.)
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To: PaulaB
Conservative does not= integrity and respect

Neither does conservative=morally perfect. Or perfect in any way.

There are no "true conservatives". Some people believe in more conservative principles than others. Conservatism is not a monolithic block of exactly like-minded people.

Conservatism is like beauty --- there is no perfection, but eveybody has their own idea of what it is.

23 posted on 10/18/2005 8:33:02 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Amen! We are a political force that does not subscribe to a herd mentality. Instead, we put our support behind ideas based upon truth. If there are differences, it is because the availability of the full facts may be deficient--not each other!
24 posted on 10/18/2005 8:33:31 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: Erik Latranyi

Exactly the divisive nonsense democrats love.


25 posted on 10/18/2005 8:33:35 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Erik Latranyi
Clearly you overlook the value of using "names". It is far more efficient and productive than to waste time and keystrokes beating around the bush.

Just bleat it all right out quick-like and we can then focus quality time on finding out about that missing teen in Aruba.

Oh, I almost forgot, Moron!

26 posted on 10/18/2005 8:33:44 AM PDT by corkoman (Uncompassionate Conservative, (incompassionate?, non-compassionate?))
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To: Erik Latranyi

I think we've become so sensitive to DUmmies coming in and infiltrating us, and this is our first major disagreement, that I'd be surprised if this didn't happen.

Now that we know where people of good faith can disagree, it's time to can the insults. DUmmies will still post easily-spotted, zot-worthy drivel :-)


27 posted on 10/18/2005 8:34:15 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Thank you for the article. And, I wholeheartedly agree.


28 posted on 10/18/2005 8:34:24 AM PDT by el_texicano (Liberals, Socialist, DemocRATS, all touchy, feely, mind numbed robots, useless idiots all)
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To: mysterio; Erik Latranyi

Great posts. Lets not let the liberals take us down their paths with filibustering and namecalling. Lets be conservatives and remain on the high road.

If we can'tcome to the truth with logic and fact, minus the name calling, then why bother. That does not mean that we cannot identify hypocritic acts and broken promises,by our so called leaders.

However, I reserve the right to use the term "presstitute". I just have to.


29 posted on 10/18/2005 8:34:26 AM PDT by HonestConservative (Bless our Servicemen!)
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To: F16Fighter
Ahem...In case you hadn't noticed, not all Freepers and Republicans are "conservative," but are in fact "compassionate conservatives" or RINOS who are "rolling" towards liberalism (or mushy-middle.)

On KSFO this AM they talking about this very topic. The Republican party is proving to not necessarily be the best vehicle for representation of conservatives, and that conservatives might just need to find another party.

30 posted on 10/18/2005 8:34:56 AM PDT by tertiary01 (For every Act of God, the Libs will demand a human sacrifice.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

With all due respect, this is not a new phenomenon at FR.


31 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:00 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Erik Latranyi
Oh, that's it you liberal troll weenie! ;)

Weenie!? I knew Weenie personally, and you're no Weenie!

32 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:07 AM PDT by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: aft_lizard

Explosion of government spending and continuation of the nanny state is conservatism? I don't think anyone can say that with a straight face. The fight is between Republicans who still think the party is somehow strategizing and conservatives who realize that they have been left behind.


33 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:19 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Erik Latranyi
This should be nice.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
Also, please see The Backside of American History
You'll love this 187 page .pdf (1.99 MB)

34 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:43 AM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: yldstrk

*sigh*


35 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:46 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I'm so tired of being a BOHICA Conservative for the republicans the past few years....

So you'll excuse me when I rant about more and more pork spending, entitlement growth, poor trade policies, poor border enforcement, and other such filth making its way through a Republican President and a Republican congress..

36 posted on 10/18/2005 8:35:57 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (If SCO wants to go fishing they should buy a permit and find a lake like the rest of us..)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I understand the anger and disappointment stemming from the Miers nomination, but also inclusive of the budget deficit, education department, immigration, etc. These are matters that bother me as well. Unfortunately, the tone on Free Republic bothers me even more.

There's your problem. The "tone" on an internet site bothers you more than the public rape of the U.S. Constitution. Your priorities are skewed.

37 posted on 10/18/2005 8:38:08 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

FR wouldn't be FR without the hysterical ranting.


38 posted on 10/18/2005 8:38:56 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Terabitten
There really isn't one single definition of "conservative" anymore.

Well! I see that I'm not alone with this thought.


If you want a Google GMail account, FReepmail me.
Also, please see The Backside of American History
You'll love this 187 page .pdf (1.99 MB)

39 posted on 10/18/2005 8:39:37 AM PDT by rdb3 (Have you ever stopped to think, but forgot to start again?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well I have great affection for all of my co-FReepers although we spout our differing opinions across the board.


40 posted on 10/18/2005 8:40:30 AM PDT by maxter
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