Skip to comments.Spanish judge orders arrest of three US soldiers
Posted on 10/19/2005 6:47:04 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy
A Spanish judge has issued an international arrest order for three US soldiers whose tank fired at a Baghdad hotel during the war in Iraq, killing a Spanish journalist, a court official said Wednesday.
Jose Couso, who worked for the Spanish television network Telecinco, died April 8, 2003, after the tank crew fired a shell at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad where many journalists were staying to cover the war.
The Spanish judge said he issued the arrest order because of a lack of judicial cooperation from the United States regarding the case.
US officials insist the soldiers believed they were being shot at when they opened fire.
... yeah, that's gonna fly...
A large telescopic lens on a camera looks just like a rocket launcher from the front. Too bad, so sad, troops made the right call in a war zone, the new wuss Spaniards need to get over it.
Spain needs another El Cid.
Which is why President Bush has-quite rightfully-rejected the International Criminal Court.
Espania es no amigo. No cajones........
> ... after the tank crew fired a shell at the Palestine
> Hotel in Baghdad where many journalists were staying
> to cover the war.
Booking into ground zero of an impending war is, um, risky.
> US officials insist the soldiers believed they were
> being shot at when they opened fire.
Or they might just have been extra insightful, and
recognized that the press is a real enemy.
Yeah right. We'll send 'em right on over there. We need a second request from the French on this.
Spain needs another Ferdinand and Isabella.......
The enemy was, in fact, firing from the Palestine Hotel.
A clue to our friends in the press. If you are standing next to somebody who is firing at US troops, then you are, at best, acting as a human shield for their operations. Do not be surprised when you receive return fire.
You would think that grown up people would understand that people are killed in a war zone. Either you take the risk or you keep away.
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(Rodrigo, or Ruy, Diaz, Count of Bivar).
The great popular hero of the chivalrous age of Spain, born at Burgos c. 1040; died at Valencia, 1099. He was given the title of seid or cid (lord, chief) by the Moors and that of campeador (champion) by his admiring countrymen.
Tradition and legend have cast a deep shadow over the history of this brave knight, to such an extent that his very existence has been questioned; there is however, no reason to doubt his existence. We must, at the same time regard him as a dual personality, and distinguish between the historical Cid and the legendary Cid. History paints him as a free booter, an unprincipled adventurer, who battled with equal vigour against Christians and Moors; who, to further his own ends, would as soon destroy a Christian church as a Moslem temple; who plundered and slew as much for his own gain as from any patriotic motives. It must be born in mind, however that the facts which discredit him have reached us through hostile Arab historians, and that to do him full justice he should be judged according to the standard of his country in his day. Vastly different indeed is the Cid of romance, legend, and ballad, wherein he is pictured as the tender, loving husband and father; the gentle courageous soldier; the noble, generous conqueror, unswervingly loyal to his country and his king; the man whose name has been an ever-present inspiration to Spanish patriotism. But whatever may have been the real adventures of El Cid Campeador, his name has come down to us in modern times in connection with a long series of heroic achievements in which he stands out as the central figure of the long struggle of Christian Spain against the Moslem hosts.
Ferdinand I, at his death (1065), had divided his dominions between his three sons, Sancho, Alfonso, and Garcia, and his two daughters, Elvira and Urraca, exacting from them a promise that they would respect his wishes and abide by the division. But Sancho, to whose lot had fallen the Kingdom of Castile, being the eldest, thought that he should have inherited the entire dominions of his father, and he resolved to repudiate his promise, claiming that it had been forced from him. Stronger, braver, and craftier than his brothers, he cherished the idea of despoiling them and his sisters of their possessions, and becoming the sole successor of his father.
At this time, Rodrigo Diaz was quite young, and Sancho, out of gratitude for the services of Rodrigo's father to the State, had retained his son at the court and looked after his education, especially his military training. Rodrigo later rendered such distinguished services in the war in which Sancho became involved with Aragon that he was made alferez (standard-bearer or commander-in-chief) of the king's troops. After ending this war with Aragon, Sancho turned his attention to his plan of despoiling his brothers and sisters (c. 1070). He succeeded in adding to his dominion Leon and Galicia, the portions of his brothers, but not until in each instance Rodrigo had come to his rescue and turned apparent defeat into victory. The city of Toro, the domain of his sister Elvira, was taken without trouble. He then laid siege to the city of Zamora, the portion of his sister Urraca, and there met his fate, being treacherously slain before the gates of the city by one of Urraca's soldiers (1072). Learning this, Alfonso who had been exiled to the Moorish city of Toledo, set out in haste to claim the dominions of his brother, and succeeded him on the throne as Alfonso VI, though not without opposition, from his brother Garcia, in Galicia, and especially in Castile, the inhabitants of which objected to a Leonese king. The story is told, though not on the best historical authority, that the Castilians refused Alfonso their allegiance until he had sworn that he had no hand in his brother's death, and that, as none of the nobles was willing to administer the oath for fear of offending him, Rodrigo did so at Santa Gadea before the assembled nobility. If this be true, it would account in a great measure for the ill-will Alfonso bore Rodrigo, and for his subsequent treatment of him. He did not at first show his hatred, but tried to conciliate Rodrigo and the Castilians by bestowing upon him his niece Jimena in marriage (1074). It was not long, however, before he had an opportunity to satisfy his animosity. Rodrigo having been sent by Alfonso to collect tribute from the king of Seville, Alfonso's vassal, he was accused on his return, by his enemies of having retained a part of it. Whereupon, Alfonso, giving free rein to his hatred, banished him from his dominions (1076). Rodrigo then began his career as a soldier of fortune, which has furnished themes to Spanish poets of early modern times, and which, idealized by tradition and legend, has made of him the champion of Christian Spain against her Moorish invaders. During this period of his career, he offered his services and those of his followers first to one petty ruler and then another, and often fought on his own account, warring indifferently against Christians and Moors, always with distinguished success, and incidentally rising to great power and influence. But in time of necessity his assistance was sought by Alfonso, and in the midst of career of conquest he hastened to the latter's support when he was hard pressed by Yusuf, the founder of Morocco. Through some mistake or misunderstanding, however, he failed to join the king, who listening to the complaints and accusations of the Cid's enemies, took from him all of his possessions, imprisoned his wife and children, and again banished him for his dominions. Disgraced and plundered, the Cid resumed his military operations. Upon his return from one of his campaigns, hearing that the Moors had driven the Christians from Valencia and taken possession of the city, he determined to recapture it from them and become lord of that capital. This he did (1094) after a terrible siege. He spent the remainder of his days there. His two daughters were married to the Infante of Navarre and the Count of Barcelona respectively. His remains were transferred to the monastery of San Pedro de Cardena near Burgos, where they now rest.
The exploits of El Cid form the subject of what is generally considered the oldest monument of Spanish literature. This is an epic poem of a little over 3700 lines as it has reached us (several hundred lines being missing), the author of which, as is not uncommon with works of those days, is unknown. The date of its composition has long been a disputed question. Many critics whose names must be mentioned with respect, among them Dozy and Ticknor, place it at the beginning of the thirteenth century; but today the best opinion places the poem a half-century earlier. Among those who think it was written as early as the middle of twelfth century are many eminent Spanish and foreign scholars, including Sanchez, the first editor of the poem, Capmany, Quintana, Gil y Zarate, Bouterwek, Sismondi, Shlegel, Huber, and Wolf. The learned Amador de los Rios, whose opinion carries great weight, thinks that the famous poem must have been written prior to 1157. Though based upon historical facts, the "Poema del Cid" is to a very large extent legendary. Its theme is twofold, the adventures of the exiled Cid and the mythical marriage of his two daughters to the Counts of Carrion. The first few pages are missing, and what remains opens abruptly with the banishment of the Cid by King Alfonso, and ends with a slight allusion to the hero's death. But the story it tells is not its chief claim to our consideration. The poem deserves to be read for its faithful pictures of the manners and customs of the day it represents. It is written with Homeric simplicity and in the language of the day, the language the Cid himself used, which was slowly divorcing itself from the Latin, but was still only half developed. The versification is rather crude and ill-sustained. The prevailing metre is the Alexandrine or fourteen syllabled verse with a caesural pause after the eighth; but the lines often run into sixteen or even twenty syllables, and sometimes stop at twelve or ten. This however, may be partly due to careless copying.
The adventures of the Cid have furnished material for many dramatic writers, notably to Guillen de Castro, the eminent Valencian poet and dramatist of the early seventeenth century, whose masterpiece, "Las Mocedades del Cid" earned him whatever reputation he enjoyed outside of Spain. This latter work, in turn, furnished the basis for Corneille's brilliant tragedy, "Le Cid", which according to Ticknor, did more than any other drama to determine for two centuries the character of the theatre all over the continent of Europe. Among other works dealing with the life and adventures of the Cid are:
* "La Legenda de las Mocedades de Rodrigo", or "La Crónica Rimada", as it is sometimes called. This work has been thought to be even older than the "Poema del Cid" by some critics, among them so eminent authority as Amador de los Ríos.
* "La Crónica General ó Estoria de España", written by Alfonso the Wise.
* "La Crónica del Cid", the manuscript of which was found in the very place where the Cid lies buried, the monastery of San Pedro de Cardeña. Its author and the time of its appearance are unknown
Es la guerra senor juez!!
Come and get them...
By name, or just "those in that tank" kinda order? Spain would lose a war to Girl Scouts if that is how they think a war should be waged; lawyers in every tank.
The Spanish judge can kiss his butt and his gay boyfriend goodbye as far as I'm concerned.
(I don't really know if he has a gay boyfriend, but that's how Spain is becoming these days...Liberal and gay friendly.)
A US soldier takes a vacation to the Caribbean and books his tickets online with Expedia or some such company.
One of these island governments requests lists of customers traveling to their country for security purposes.
The island government has a relationship with Spain and tips Spain to the soldier's travel plans.
Spain quietly works with the island's gov't to extradite the soldier once he arrives.
The soldier arrives, passport control says there's a problem with his passport, asks him to step into an office while they check their paperwork and an island detective then cuffs him and escorts him on the next flight to Barcelona.
Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
STFU spain. It is a WAR ZONE after all.
Hipocritas todos. Los españoles son una imitación pálida de sus mismo anteriores. Vaya a tomar por culo maricones de mierda!!!
Seals and Marines attack Spain and rescue the soldier, sadly killing 15,000 Spanish civilians. Lots of international complaints, but nothing comes of them. Judge and Spanish government are changed by their people because they were stupid enough to attack the U.S.
End of problem.
A better insult would be to say that Spanish Judge has lost his masculinity and is a limp wristed girlie man.
The Spanish have all the reason in the world to remember the man who said this:
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
It would be good for them if they listened to that advice as well.
This is great chance for President Bush to come out strongly and denounce this stuff...
Cmon, Bush, you have got to have a whole lot of anger pent up over every little bit of crapola that is being thrown at you...take it all and tell the Spanish idiots where they can stuff their arrest warrants!
Now it sounds like a good idea. Extra ablative armor never hurt anyone.
Charles "The Hammer" Martell.
With friends like Spain,who needs enemies?Am i to assume that these men can be arrested and prosecuted in Spain,or is this a worldwide warrant?
It says that he issued an "international arrest order".
Given the EU-wide extradition treaty to be on the safe side I don't think those soldiers should visit any EU country.
OTH see post #22
And the terrorists have a complete victory in Spain.
Were these the same soldiers who fired a tank shell that did almost a 180 degree turn in mid air and hit the back side of the hotel?
In other news: Spanish wine and other exports to the USA take a dramatic dive at time when the Spanish economy is beginning to mirror Germany and France.
An all too likely scenario except it could happen with any country with an extradition treaty with Spain or the EU. These troops will not be able to leave the US in safety unless Bush takes action to force Spain to rescind this order.
"The soldier arrives, passport control says there's a problem with his passport, asks him to step into an office while they check their paperwork and an island detective then cuffs him and escorts him on the next flight to Barcelona."
Theoretically, maybe. In actuality, not a chance. Liberals and US haters are good at finding activist judges who will pull crap like issuing an arrest warrant like this. Spain's govenment might do some political posturing, but neither Spain, nor some little Caribian country is going to abduct a US citizen under the guise of a criminal trial for an incident that has already been reviewed by the US military.
That would likely be considered an act of war.
Hay Judge....remember the Spanish American War? Maybe you need to go read back up on it. What shall we take this time? Toledo? Or just go straight for Madrid and remove the socialist cancer there?
Exactly. Did'nt spain learn its lesson last time when we were a much weaker nation a.k.a. the Spanish/American war. The tank commander probably thought they were being aimed at with an Anti-Tank missle or rpg and took a counter measure attack to eliminate the threat. I dont blame the soldiers its your life or the enemies in a hot zone, only idiots would think otherwise.
Except where we support it, for example the 5 year trial of Milosovic (they can't pin him on the main charges so they'll keep trying him until they get lucky or everyone dies of old age) who was defending his people from Islamic Jihadies.
See my post #24.
The author of those words: Theodore Roosevelt
Very true but the diplomatic shiete storm and embargo on Spanish goods and tourism will cause them more grief then its worth in the long run. Might even be a catalyst to change governments. But the Islamics will love them long time.
Continuing Post 18:
Shortly thereafter, the skys over Barcelona fill with B52s. Spain is given 15 minutes to put soldier back on plane to USA or start digging mass graves. P.S. You can use the B52 bomb craters for starters.
This of course would be the scenario if we had a president with a set to threaten this.
If you go into a "WAR ZONE" to make lots of cash in a "HOSTILE AND DANGEROUS" place as a journalist, you might get killed. That is a fact!
The Germans, Brits, US, French and others had reporters die. It's like going to a race track getting in a race car and if you get killed your family suing the Formula one car builder. You went there completely voluntarily for reasons of "FAME and FORTUNE". If you die in the process, while truly tragic for you, it's your problem.
Had Heraldo gotten shot in the head in Afghanistan or Iraq, it would have been on him. I bet if you asked him and he answered truthfully youd find out that he knows this as well.
So why do judges do this then? Why this type of legal case? Because Spain went anti-war after the Spanish elections and these issues ALL become political battles in essence. Example is the Italian reporter whose rescuer was shot dead. It was turned into a political issue by the socialist movement in Italy. Lets think about this. I go to Iraq as a agent to rescue someone from terrorists (In reality Im paying ransom). Do you think this is dangerous? Yes, it is, in case you didnt know. Especially if you cant use headlights, dont follow instructions and no one knows who you are and where youre going (Because Italy does not want to advertise that they pay ransom for hostages).
This judge will continue to fall on death ears UNLESS the MSM and some bleeding heart liberal in the US pick up on it and use it for THEIR political ulterior motives.
BLUF = You do dangerous things, you may die.
I'd like to see the Spanish try to enforce that order. What a joke.
What part of NO JURISDICTION does Socialist Eurotrash have a hard time understanding?
Every kook foreign judge shouldnt have a right to Bushs time. State probably only needs to get involved if they're pursued, and it might contribute negatively to relations either way.
My son, a Junior at Wm & Mary, (and a recent returnee from Afghanistan) says the LTC in this cock-up is a math teacher there. Time to circle the wagons.
OK, total boycott of everything from al Andalus, staring NOW!
We are one people, and we will back up our soldiers!
Here's a newsflash: If a reporter chooses to stay at a hotel in a war zone, probability is high that he or she may be injured or killed. They chose to be there...they are responsible for whatever happens to them.
My son, a Junior at Wm & Mary, (and a recent returnee from Afghanistan) says the LTC in this cock-up is a math teacher there. Time to circle the wagons.
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